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Minor Hurling Final

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See Minor Final fixed for next Sunday with Senior Final
Raharney v Clonkill/Gaels
As raharney have 3/4 players involved in both finals
And if Clonkill beat Gaels they would be in a similar position
Crazy

RAHKILL (Westmeath) - Posts: 395 - 13/10/2015 16:06:34    1798442

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Makes no sense. I doubt many other counties still do this.
Clonkill will also have 3/4 lads playing.
Why didnt they just put the intermediate final on before it? There would be a huge crowd in for it then

soreknee (Westmeath) - Posts: 135 - 13/10/2015 16:52:40    1798475

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Intermediate final draws a significant crowd in its own right so County board would be crazy to fix those finals together, after all gate receipts are most important element of county board fund raising so that would be why, secondly, at last year's convention Board officials were lambasted by some of the hurling clubs for not having minor final as curtain raiser to senior, officials are damned if they do/don't, no doubt but that it's awkward situation particularly if Gaels win tomorrow night as rightly they will want to play in Cusack park before senior, heard Raharney vs Castletown was 'lively' to say the least in minor semi final, surprising result based on previous form.

kawaifive0 (Westmeath) - Posts: 112 - 13/10/2015 18:00:25    1798497

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The u16 championship is at final stage and clonkill are in it this is the game that should be on. Minor final won't happen dictator Sheridan won't get his way in this one. I expect this championship to end in farce due to dictators at the top table

Dote (Westmeath) - Posts: 214 - 13/10/2015 18:21:42    1798505

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Harsh to call him a dictator, Sean Sheridan puts in an average of 40+ hours per week on Westmeath gaa affairs and receives nothing but abuse, clubs lambasted him last year over minor final not being played, now being lambasted when the intention is to play it, Clonkill did not have a single starter from minor ranks in their semi final victory, Raharney obviously have the twin Doyles.

kawaifive0 (Westmeath) - Posts: 112 - 13/10/2015 20:18:31    1798551

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Common sense needs to prevail,
It's simply unfair to ask Raharney and Clonkill players to play in two finals in a couple of hours.Surely if ever the GPA has a role it's here.
There are many County players on both teams isn't it time they asked the players organisation to step in.
As well playing the minor at 1 and senior at three is madness with Ireland playing Argentina in the World cup quarter final at one.
Have the board gone mad

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 860 - 13/10/2015 20:36:07    1798556

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Put on the minor B final!!
Oh no wait, the county board have forgotten about that one

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1799 - 13/10/2015 21:00:41    1798569

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If you look at posts that are up here they are all raharney all you have to do is look back at previous posts over the year it's the same 3 or 4 posting
In defence of raharney all the time and to be honest about it its not too hard to figure on who they are the county board are no fools they know that clonkills
Mitch and eggerton have only been playing last 15 -20 mins and that raharney have the mercurials lol on the starting 15 and understand this clonkill are quite happy
To play Wednesday semi final v the Gaels and still tog out Sunday at 1 and they are not whinging and crying over it, the county board are not going to be dictated to
By two 18 year olds from raharney . I for one am not paying to go in and watch the u16 final in either code or any b final before the senior , I would however pay to watch
Minor before senior as is the case in most other county's and for inter county also. Raharney have plenty of minor subs plus is it fair to deprive clonkill or the gaels the
Curtain raiser because of two minors from raharney.if raharney dont want to play let castletown back in after all i do remember joe clarke playing minor before
Senior final a few years ago. As did many more before him.

rogerdodger (Westmeath) - Posts: 228 - 13/10/2015 21:52:59    1798604

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And for anyone wondering if a date had been set for the u 16 final just in case raharney try to double book it in for Sunday
, it is fixed for Saturday 24th Oct in cusak park throw in 2.30 castletown geoghean v clonkill ref D Shannon.

rogerdodger (Westmeath) - Posts: 228 - 13/10/2015 21:59:22    1798610

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And for anyone wondering if a date had been set for the u 16 final just in case raharney try to double book it in for Sunday
, it is fixed for Saturday 24th Oct in cusak park throw in 2.30 castletown geoghean v clonkill ref D Shannon.

rogerdodger (Westmeath) - Posts: 228 - 13/10/2015 21:59:55    1798611

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kawaifive0
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Intermediate final draws a significant crowd in its own right so County board would be crazy to fix those finals together, after all gate receipts are most important element of county board fund raising so that would be why, secondly, at last year's convention Board officials were lambasted by some of the hurling clubs for not having minor final as curtain raiser to senior, officials are damned if they do/don't, no doubt but that it's awkward situation particularly if Gaels win tomorrow night as rightly they will want to play in Cusack park before senior, heard Raharney vs Castletown was 'lively' to say the least in minor semi final, surprising result based on previous form.


I was at the convention last year in Archerstown and it is untrue to say that hurling clubs proposed this. The chairman imposed this on the clubs. The clubs opposed this at the minor planning meeting but were shot down without debate. Anyone with the basic knowledge of underage hurling could have predicted the scenario we are now facing. This is just another in a catalogue of crisis generated of their own making, senior football mangaer, Brian Hanley, Jack Cooney minor jurling this year and last, the army barracks. How many more of these fiascos can clubs stomach.
For whats it worth the Lonford MFC was postponed recently due to this issue, Waterford have postponed their MHC final due to Ballygunners involved in both finals so there is precedent. If this county board were serious about hurling they would not do this to the clubs involved. As a minor player in this situation with ambitions of playing for WH in the future would you bother your head if the county board thinks so little of you. A little birdie informed me earlier that Michael Ryan is not too happy about this situation and has conveyed same to CB, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are developments on this over the next few days.

Brendanj (Westmeath) - Posts: 65 - 14/10/2015 10:04:12    1798660

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I'm not denying he's putting work in but ---. There was no vote by the hurling clubs or board on this they were told. At same meeting Raharney delegates said if like last year they were in both minor and senior final they would not be fielding and this is now the situation.
Last year it was wrong that there was no hurling showpiece before the hurling final but a second grade football final. The annoyance to most people would have been that there wasn't a top hurling final on before it.
I see some people have a problem with Raharney and in particular the 2 doyles but it would be the same with pollard (Rabitte) or Collinstown (Quamar) if they were in both. Clonkill also have 2 major players who I would expect to start the final but they may not object as they can sit back and see what Raharney will do but like it or not Raharney have 2 established senior players (who scored 1-10 between them in last years decider) expected to play 2 games in a row. Its not feasible and not going to happen and will unfortunately turn the minor championship and possibly county final day into a farce

Dote (Westmeath) - Posts: 214 - 14/10/2015 10:20:19    1798668

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Clonkill have to beat the gaels in minor semi final before they can even consider objecting to the minor final being played on sunday. If the gaels beat Clonkill which is highly likely the its very unfair on them not getting to play before the senior final. However, the whole situation should have been avoided by putting on the U16 hurling final instead.

Left Full (Westmeath) - Posts: 191 - 14/10/2015 10:59:59    1798681

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by rights a junior or junior b final could be played before the senior
if they were down to the final stage, but they are still at the round robin stage
same with U16B and minor B.

I think it's reflective of the way things are run. Making it up as they go along

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1799 - 14/10/2015 11:33:21    1798698

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Looking forward to convention this year lads with some posters here surely going to contribute at the top table, very easy to sit at a keyboard and chastise and make populist comments, by the way what fiasco involved Jack Cooney, he was turned down on the basis that his management team was going to be too costly, hardly the county board's fault and the man subsequently chosen managed the side to a Leinster final appearance.

kawaifive0 (Westmeath) - Posts: 112 - 14/10/2015 19:09:55    1798829

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With regards to players welfare
Asking Clonkill to play the a Minor sf on Weds night and the Final next Sunday
After 7/8 players were also involved with the Downs minors last Sunday is totally unacceptable
Plus some players are in collage around the Country and had to travel for the sf from as far as Tralee

RAHKILL (Westmeath) - Posts: 395 - 15/10/2015 16:19:06    1799047

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RAHKILL, When would you suggest playing these matches? Players played minor football last Sunday, playing hurling on Wed night, what's the big deal? Players love playing matches, particularly when they're winning as these guys are, not everyone plays both codes so extremely unfair to delay matches because of dual players, Clonkill's mentors weren't unduly concerned last night when they led by 15 points and didn't take off Niall Mitchell, Darragh Egerton or Adam Loughlin

kawaifive0 (Westmeath) - Posts: 112 - 15/10/2015 17:13:21    1799072

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Nothing against robbie cornally but should he really have been refing a premier minor semi final, I don't think that's fair on the young lads, refs the game between the 65's, 2 of the top refs in the country that should have been used

westmeath2015 (Westmeath) - Posts: 153 - 15/10/2015 18:57:07    1799099

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Is it true that Clonkill and Raharney have agreed not play the minor final on Sunday. Cusack could be fairly bare on sunday till 3.30 or so if thats the case

Brendanj (Westmeath) - Posts: 65 - 16/10/2015 09:50:36    1799264

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if this is the case and they decide not to play both teams should be thrown out. let the minors play their own grade first as they wont be that age for long and will regret it in years to come.

nearlymadeit (Westmeath) - Posts: 82 - 16/10/2015 10:37:49    1799294

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