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Not much surprise in any of the games over the weekend.
CTG very weak in the intermediate and Cullion/Ringtown was always going to be close.
The Senior quarter finals highlight the gap between both Senior groups.

soreknee (Westmeath) - Posts: 135 - 16/09/2019 11:22:23    2236002

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Replying To soreknee:  "Not much surprise in any of the games over the weekend.
CTG very weak in the intermediate and Cullion/Ringtown was always going to be close.
The Senior quarter finals highlight the gap between both Senior groups."
Any sign of a new manager in the crowd yesterday? Is it fair to say he's picking from the four senior semi-finalists and not much else?

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 133 - 16/09/2019 11:54:10    2236020

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Replying To soreknee:  "Not much surprise in any of the games over the weekend.
CTG very weak in the intermediate and Cullion/Ringtown was always going to be close.
The Senior quarter finals highlight the gap between both Senior groups."
CTG were very poor. Have they lost players since the first few rounds of the Intermediate?

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1791 - 16/09/2019 15:17:06    2236146

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Replying To valley84:  "CTG were very poor. Have they lost players since the first few rounds of the Intermediate?"
They lost Ciaran Glennon who would have been a big loss. Not sure about anyone else.

soreknee (Westmeath) - Posts: 135 - 16/09/2019 16:23:03    2236194

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Replying To LockLeanGayl:  "Any sign of a new manager in the crowd yesterday? Is it fair to say he's picking from the four senior semi-finalists and not much else?"
Didnt see Johhny Greville anyway. There are Good players outside semi finalists. You shouldnt feel too cocky its been a long time since the Gaels won.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 857 - 16/09/2019 16:54:03    2236210

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Replying To LockLeanGayl:  "Any sign of a new manager in the crowd yesterday? Is it fair to say he's picking from the four senior semi-finalists and not much else?"
Didn't see any manager, but was told by a representative that Shane O'Brien and someone else was supposedly at all games over the weekend intermediate semis and senior quarters. At least there looking at more than just the top 3 (clonkill,raharney,ctg).

Hurlingtothecore (Westmeath) - Posts: 1 - 16/09/2019 20:27:04    2236333

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Replying To Hurlingtothecore:  "Didn't see any manager, but was told by a representative that Shane O'Brien and someone else was supposedly at all games over the weekend intermediate semis and senior quarters. At least there looking at more than just the top 3 (clonkill,raharney,ctg)."
Waste of 15 euro. He might back out yet

Dote (Westmeath) - Posts: 214 - 16/09/2019 21:55:02    2236380

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Replying To jobber:  "Didnt see Johhny Greville anyway. There are Good players outside semi finalists. You shouldnt feel too cocky its been a long time since the Gaels won."
Not being cocky at all just wondering if it will be the four semi finalists who will make up the new panel again... Doesn't seem to be much talent around outside of those

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 133 - 16/09/2019 23:18:46    2236417

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Replying To LockLeanGayl:  "Not being cocky at all just wondering if it will be the four semi finalists who will make up the new panel again... Doesn't seem to be much talent around outside of those"
Only slagging but come on do you not want David Higgins,Alan Devine,Dará O Reilly John McCarthy,Conor Shaw,Emmet Cuneen Dará Clinton,Kilian Murphy,Jack Galvin,Young Gillen,Shane Mcgovern etc on your panel.Heard tonight John Meyler was in Mullingar Sunday evening.Anyone else hear that?

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 857 - 17/09/2019 00:35:20    2236435

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What will now happen with promotion of 2 intermediate teams to Senior B given that Cullion and Raharney are in the final? Will Cullion and Ringtown be offered chance to play Senior B as presumably Raharney cannot go up or will only Cullion be promoted if they win?

loosewomen (Westmeath) - Posts: 3 - 17/09/2019 01:40:17    2236442

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I heard Raharney and Cullion both go up. Would imagine it would only be a problem if Raharney were to win the senior B and then couldn't go to the A. Again only heard that, nothing official

As for the county panel, the gaels only have Tommy Doyle and Derek McNicholas to offer of any value from what I see.

Inspired (Westmeath) - Posts: 52 - 17/09/2019 09:13:28    2236488

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Why wouldn't Raharney go up?

The intermediate has been of poor quality this year and CTG showed how poor if they were able to reach a semi final.
you would have expected the relegated team from the senior last year to at least make the knockout stage of intermediate

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1791 - 17/09/2019 10:29:33    2236525

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Replying To valley84:  "Why wouldn't Raharney go up?

The intermediate has been of poor quality this year and CTG showed how poor if they were able to reach a semi final.
you would have expected the relegated team from the senior last year to at least make the knockout stage of intermediate"
Well it depends what the purpose was for creating the Senior B competition. If it was to allow the weaker senior teams to play in a competitive championship with 2 intermediate clubs with silverware up for grabs then it seems not right that second senior clubs should be included. I know the argument that if intermediate teams can't beat the second senior clubs what chance do they have but in reality the stronger senior clubs will be in Senior A and the Senior B teams are of a similar standard. Do we want the stronger clubs getting stronger at the expense of weaker clubs and the development of the game?

loosewomen (Westmeath) - Posts: 3 - 17/09/2019 19:47:30    2236792

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Replying To loosewomen:  "Well it depends what the purpose was for creating the Senior B competition. If it was to allow the weaker senior teams to play in a competitive championship with 2 intermediate clubs with silverware up for grabs then it seems not right that second senior clubs should be included. I know the argument that if intermediate teams can't beat the second senior clubs what chance do they have but in reality the stronger senior clubs will be in Senior A and the Senior B teams are of a similar standard. Do we want the stronger clubs getting stronger at the expense of weaker clubs and the development of the game?"
That seems to be the strategy of the county board over the past 10 years.

Soon it will just be the top 3/4 clubs playing each other repeatedly, in every competition

Even underage competitions have gone from having A, B and C grades to having A and just about a B competition.

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1791 - 17/09/2019 21:16:38    2236846

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Replying To valley84:  "That seems to be the strategy of the county board over the past 10 years.

Soon it will just be the top 3/4 clubs playing each other repeatedly, in every competition

Even underage competitions have gone from having A, B and C grades to having A and just about a B competition."
The new set up has three competitions of six all playing a round robin. If Raharney, Clonkill and Castletown are fit to have two teams in these from small rural populations whilst Plunketts sit on their backsides in Mullingar doing nothing so be it.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 857 - 18/09/2019 07:15:31    2236949

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There seems to be a strategy of some posters on here to do nothing but whinge

WestmeathFan (Westmeath) - Posts: 10 - 18/09/2019 09:26:09    2236973

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Replying To valley84:  "Why wouldn't Raharney go up?

The intermediate has been of poor quality this year and CTG showed how poor if they were able to reach a semi final.
you would have expected the relegated team from the senior last year to at least make the knockout stage of intermediate"
The Intermediate Championship is flawed and disregarded and has been for the last few years. The fixture dates and venues are all over the place - changes being made within days of the actual confirmed fixture. The senior clubs seem to have an influence on the actual date for the fixture because their senior team might be playing the same weekend - this causes all kinds of headaches for the other clubs. As for the comment regarding the relegated team from 2018 - I may be wrong but I think they had their fixtures against the senior clubs early in the year which obvioulsy means they would play against a stonger team - as shown by CTG's last two results compared to their first set of results in the championship - how can that be deemed a level playing ground? Its quite obvious that the Senior Clubs are using the intermediate Championship to give game time to players that will inevitably play in the final rounds of the senior championship - this you cannot blame them for but surely it does not make sende for one intermediate club to play a senior clubs second team in June and then another intermediate club to play a much depleted senor clubs second team in August for the same prize. It looks to me that the luck of the draw has a bigger bearing on the final table than the quality of the team.

GAA_Analyst (Westmeath) - Posts: 34 - 18/09/2019 10:23:40    2236988

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Replying To GAA_Analyst:  "The Intermediate Championship is flawed and disregarded and has been for the last few years. The fixture dates and venues are all over the place - changes being made within days of the actual confirmed fixture. The senior clubs seem to have an influence on the actual date for the fixture because their senior team might be playing the same weekend - this causes all kinds of headaches for the other clubs. As for the comment regarding the relegated team from 2018 - I may be wrong but I think they had their fixtures against the senior clubs early in the year which obvioulsy means they would play against a stonger team - as shown by CTG's last two results compared to their first set of results in the championship - how can that be deemed a level playing ground? Its quite obvious that the Senior Clubs are using the intermediate Championship to give game time to players that will inevitably play in the final rounds of the senior championship - this you cannot blame them for but surely it does not make sende for one intermediate club to play a senior clubs second team in June and then another intermediate club to play a much depleted senor clubs second team in August for the same prize. It looks to me that the luck of the draw has a bigger bearing on the final table than the quality of the team."
For sure, if Plunkett's had played Castletown later in the championship (instead of in the first round of games) they would have beaten them. They then would have topped the group instead of finishing 5th. Small margins.

Andy_Capp (Westmeath) - Posts: 272 - 18/09/2019 11:11:39    2237006

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The structure for the IHC was agreed by all clubs at the start of the year. A fixture plan was issued to all clubs so everyone knew when they were playing. Overall the IHC was very competitive this year Clonkill beat Raharney well in the first round in April yet at the end were third from bottom. There were a lot of draws this year and prior to the last round any of 5 teams could have qualified for the knock out stages. It will be interesting to see how Cullion and Raharney fare out in the Senior B next year.

Brendanj (Westmeath) - Posts: 65 - 18/09/2019 12:07:06    2237047

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Replying To jobber:  "The new set up has three competitions of six all playing a round robin. If Raharney, Clonkill and Castletown are fit to have two teams in these from small rural populations whilst Plunketts sit on their backsides in Mullingar doing nothing so be it."
that's funny.
Raharney have a large area to pick with Killucan/Rathwire, Kinnegad and as far as Milltownpass playing with them, as do Castletown with half of south Westmeath playing for them and Clonkill who have half of Mullingar and every house that is sold in town playing for them

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1791 - 18/09/2019 13:51:37    2237116

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