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Replying To Freethinker:  "I think we are in a totally different situation to what happened in the UK. There, all these immigrants were entitled to English passports as a birthright due to the colonisation of their countries - it was a case of pigeons coming home to roost. I remember Enoch Powell and his " streets running red with blood" speech as a result of those tensions. To me, we are in a diametrically opposed position to that and many of our immigrants will move away when they realise that our streets are not lined with gold, as was the perception of life in the UK in those days."
"There, all these immigrants were entitled to English passports as a birthright due to the colonisation of their countries"

Firstly, there is no such thing as an 'English' passport.
Secondly, all the immigrants in the UK are not from countries formerly colonised by the British.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2880 - 03/05/2026 17:37:26    2670671

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""There, all these immigrants were entitled to English passports as a birthright due to the colonisation of their countries"

Firstly, there is no such thing as an 'English' passport.
Secondly, all the immigrants in the UK are not from countries formerly colonised by the British."
You realise areas not colonised by Britain leaves pretty slim pickings. I'm sure you're mistaken. Where are "all the immigrants" from Mars?

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4485 - 03/05/2026 18:59:35    2670703

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Replying To Freethinker:  "I think we are in a totally different situation to what happened in the UK. There, all these immigrants were entitled to English passports as a birthright due to the colonisation of their countries - it was a case of pigeons coming home to roost. I remember Enoch Powell and his " streets running red with blood" speech as a result of those tensions. To me, we are in a diametrically opposed position to that and many of our immigrants will move away when they realise that our streets are not lined with gold, as was the perception of life in the UK in those days."
I wouldn't be so sure on that or on them moving away, because within the EU, Ireland is regularly ranked among the top places for high Salaries.

I am not anti-immigration, I welcome a healthy flow of immigrants and everything these people bring. My concern is the percentages of refugee immigrants versus the total Irish population, who are arriving in a relatively short space of time and we clearly don't have the infrastructure to cope with them or integrate them.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1812 - 03/05/2026 19:10:32    2670706

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "I think you're a spoofer."

My Question
What is your position on criminals with over 100 previous convictions terrorizing the Countryside?
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1807 - 02/05/2026 18:59:53

Your response
I think you're a spoofer.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8545 - 02/05/2026 20:20:53


"When the debate is lost, insults become the loser's tool." - Socrates

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1812 - 03/05/2026 19:15:29    2670712

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Replying To Commodore:  "
My Question
What is your position on criminals with over 100 previous convictions terrorizing the Countryside?
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1807 - 02/05/2026 18:59:53

Your response
I think you're a spoofer.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8545 - 02/05/2026 20:20:53


"When the debate is lost, insults become the loser's tool." - Socrates"
You're easily insulted.

the evidence in Ireland shows it is currently ineffective based on the number of repeat offenders running around

When you talk about numbers then ask posters what are the numbers.

When you talk about evidence and present none.

When you post URLs but claim you can't find data on some of your claims.

When you avoid answering questions by asking a question.

You post up your opinions as if they are facts. Prove they are, you might sound credible.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8546 - 03/05/2026 19:59:01    2670734

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""There, all these immigrants were entitled to English passports as a birthright due to the colonisation of their countries"

Firstly, there is no such thing as an 'English' passport.
Secondly, all the immigrants in the UK are not from countries formerly colonised by the British."
Splitting hairs here, my friend. UK passport ?? That ok ?? And, I was referring to the immigration from these countries in the latter half of the last century.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 2250 - 03/05/2026 20:06:25    2670738

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Anyone who believes that 25% born overseas will be assimilated into what remains of a distinct Irish identify need only look at the North east.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4260 - 03/05/2026 21:14:56    2670747

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You're easily insulted.
Well your "I think you're a spoofer" response was hardly a compliment, and resorting to that highlighted the lack credible argument on your behalf.

When you talk about numbers then ask posters what are the numbers.
You're incorrect. I didn't talk about having full stats or numbers, I spoke specific evidence in terms of the high number of local court cases.

When you talk about evidence and present none.
Incorrect, I provided a number of URLs as sample evidence to support my opinions.

When you post URLs but claim you can't find data on some of your claims.
- URLs to news articles on recent court cases does not equate to full government data/Statistics, which is what I asked about.
- I can't find the full statistics on criminals in Ireland, such as data on repeat offenders, criminal backgrounds etc.


When you avoid answering questions by asking a question.
Incorrect, look at the last 10 of my posts for detailed responses to others, then look at yours for comparison. In this post alone I have answered 5 or 6 of your points, you haven't answered one straight question I have put to you.
Example: You still haven't answered my direct question regarding your take on criminals with over 100 previous convictions running around terrorizing the Countryside?

You post up your opinions as if they are facts. Prove they are, you might sound credible.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8546 - 03/05/2026 19:59:01
You are again Incorrect and repetitive - The URLs I provided are a sample of factual real life court cases in North West of Ireland, where criminals with over 100 previous convictions who committed further serious crimes, so facts which supported my opinions.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1812 - 03/05/2026 21:50:36    2670757

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Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2658 - 03/05/2026 21:57:43    2670758

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "You realise areas not colonised by Britain leaves pretty slim pickings. I'm sure you're mistaken. Where are "all the immigrants" from Mars?"
Slim pickings? The top 10 countries of origin for migrants in the UK, by country of birth. According to the 2020/2021 census, includes Poland, Romania, Italy and Germany (over a million and half in total). That's the official list. But you can be sure, there are hundreds of thousands more from all over the world, who would not like to be on a census form.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2880 - 03/05/2026 22:28:41    2670766

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