|
Replying To old yellar: "https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/cahair-okane-slaughtneils-adoption-of-the-less-is-loughmore-approach-paying-dividends-GWJWH5WM65GWNFRVQE72SX4A2I/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGsnktleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHRH-1GF6alDAZWT5ylBK5w0YSGIAf0r0AjC37bQQjgeVHrPzLph4RdI-WA_aem_nsPw24_j6kuKtsfowixzcQ
V interesting article on the dual nature of clubs and how 2 successful clubs have managed it. Being a fully dual club is probably easier manage than some situations we have here presently. Being caught between several stools and managers can be a problem.
A few things I d like to add -
1.. Clear goals - I wouldn't fuss about our clubs progression in Leinster. We need to look within first and see what is going to develop our club standards and our county. A clubs progression in Leinster is a bonus but not a priority in my eyes.
2. Hurlers - virtually all hurlers/hurling clubs are dual. Not the same for all football clubs. While lads say the wheels came off for st Mullins this year, they won 3 championships back to back and we're not far off in the relegation final. So getting a balance of what works for the players is important. While it looks like a short hurling season (and it can be), the overall picture for some of these lads is a long year - a lot playing county hurling, then both codes at club. And this has a knock on effect on football leagues too - eg take MLR - possibly 10+ on senior hurling panel and more on u20s. So hard be full strength when these lads are in with county. Same happens with bolger cup and kk league - clubs down some lads.
3. Players - someone mentioned about chatting players and what they want. A very key question! While we all want to raise standards and have Gaa front and centre all year round, that's not always what the players want. The idea of what a gaa club is has changed in my eyes in recent times. For a lot of new players/parents we are just another club/sport. Years ago the Gaa club was the centre of everything local. Now maybe not so much. Players now maybe value different things and have different ideas. That's the world we re in! The Gaa has to be about all and not the small % at every level.
So no easy answers for Carlow! We have a lot of positives in our county and a lot to be proud of : we truly are a dual county and with our numbers it is hard to be "successful" in either. The reality around numbers and finances are what they are and we have to be realistic. Enjoy the good days and keep positive - we always seem to look at the glass half full." This is a cop out.Everything is fine and dandy.? It is in your head only. That's not how the GAA works. Why borhwr with competitive games at all.Lets have exhibition games during the summer instead. Everything will be positive then hooray
Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 291 - 25/11/2024 00:08:16
2581093
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Overthebar53: "This is a cop out.Everything is fine and dandy.? It is in your head only. That's not how the GAA works. Why borhwr with competitive games at all.Lets have exhibition games during the summer instead. Everything will be positive then hooray" Where did I say all was dandy? I said you have to face reality every now and again. We can all dream. And yeah, I d be v sick of the negativity around everything in the Gaa here in the county. A lot of whingers - we whinge about most things here, always looking for the negativity. Rem the latest - the no cash turnstiles and how the crowds would be down and the games would be boycotted etc - all by people who never go to a game!! I would be positive about the Gaa - in a bigger picture way. Its more than results for me I suppose. I m involved in club/county etc. but I m also a realist. Money probably the biggest driving factor now at intercounty where things are similar. We don't have much! Most counties would be running (and some are running) at losses were it now for large sponsors etc. It just seems to be a race to spend money! Same in our clubs. Whinge about the standards at underage etc but spend 10, 15, 20k etc on our adult set ups! Aside from money you have to work with the numbers of players and where they're at - everyone wants a piece of them. Another reality. I could go on but I can't post some of it on here! So while we might disagree on some stuff and that's fine, What do we actually think progress or achievement looks like for us in the county? I think that's a good starting point.
old yellar (None) - Posts: 2628 - 25/11/2024 14:05:11
2581178
Link
0
|
|
Replying To old yellar: "Where did I say all was dandy? I said you have to face reality every now and again. We can all dream. And yeah, I d be v sick of the negativity around everything in the Gaa here in the county. A lot of whingers - we whinge about most things here, always looking for the negativity. Rem the latest - the no cash turnstiles and how the crowds would be down and the games would be boycotted etc - all by people who never go to a game!! I would be positive about the Gaa - in a bigger picture way. It's more than results for me I suppose. I m involved in club/county etc. but I m also a realist. Money probably the biggest driving factor now at intercounty where things are similar. We don't have much! Most counties would be running (and some are running) at losses were it now for large sponsors etc. It just seems to be a race to spend money! Same in our clubs. Whinge about the standards at underage etc but spend 10, 15, 20k etc on our adult set ups! Aside from money you have to work with the numbers of players and where they're at - everyone wants a piece of them. Another reality. I could go on but I can't post some of it on here! So while we might disagree on some stuff and that's fine, What do we actually think progress or achievement looks like for us in the county? I think that's a good starting point." Sorry I was probably a bit ott there. Hard to argue with you about the negative brigade. They wouldn't lift a hand to help but they'll always be with us I suppose.
Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 291 - 25/11/2024 19:06:31
2581231
Link
0
|
|
Well done to Tinryland / Bennykenny.
Beat a very good Cavan side in their back yard.
Must believe they can go all the way now
Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 714 - 30/11/2024 20:04:27
2581795
Link
0
|
|
Replying To old yellar: "Where did I say all was dandy? I said you have to face reality every now and again. We can all dream. And yeah, I d be v sick of the negativity around everything in the Gaa here in the county. A lot of whingers - we whinge about most things here, always looking for the negativity. Rem the latest - the no cash turnstiles and how the crowds would be down and the games would be boycotted etc - all by people who never go to a game!! I would be positive about the Gaa - in a bigger picture way. Its more than results for me I suppose. I m involved in club/county etc. but I m also a realist. Money probably the biggest driving factor now at intercounty where things are similar. We don't have much! Most counties would be running (and some are running) at losses were it now for large sponsors etc. It just seems to be a race to spend money! Same in our clubs. Whinge about the standards at underage etc but spend 10, 15, 20k etc on our adult set ups! Aside from money you have to work with the numbers of players and where they're at - everyone wants a piece of them. Another reality. I could go on but I can't post some of it on here! So while we might disagree on some stuff and that's fine, What do we actually think progress or achievement looks like for us in the county? I think that's a good starting point." I get where you're coming from, Yellar,, and I agree that we have to face reality sometimes. It's easy to get bogged down in the negativity, especially when there's constant criticism around things like turnstile cash or underage standards. But it's also important to not let that overshadow the bigger picture. It's true that money plays a huge role in the GAA now - whether at intercounty or club level - but it shouldn't be the sole focus. It's also about player development, community engagement, and having a structure that benefits everyone, not just those with the biggest budgets.
You're right about needing to be realistic about player numbers and the challenges that come with that, but there's also room for a balance. We can still push for improvements, not just in financial terms, but in terms of development at all levels, and better support for volunteers and those involved.
Progress doesn't always have to mean massive results on the scoreboard - it can also mean fostering a culture where people are proud to be involved, whether that's at club or county level. But we need to ask ourselves what progress really means for the county, and make sure we're all moving towards that in a way that's sustainable, not just financially, but also in terms of people's time and energy. We might not agree on everything, but I think that's a good point to start from.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 737 - 01/12/2024 19:36:38
2581916
Link
0
|
|
The carlow regional u16 finals night was on this past Friday.
In the B final carlow u15s colts beat north nally (rathvilly grange clonmore tullow). The game was played in tough conditions but I was very impressed with the 15s colts. A really well coached team with some great principles. We might have some future stars in that team.
A FINAL was between palatine u16 champs and carlow davin (eire og michael davits tinryland asca o'hanrahans) carlow davin built up a good lead with the wind and built on it in the second half but great credit to palatine competing stand alone against a very strong amalgamation. Carlow davin played some great direct football and the quality from both sides was brilliant.
This has been a great competition. The boys really bought into it and there was no problem finding coaches which shows that this can work at all ages. I hope to see this rolled out to all ages in the coming years. It was disappointing to see a couple of clubs opting out but overall a great tournament
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1665 - 01/12/2024 20:51:35
2581942
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Barrowsider: "The carlow regional u16 finals night was on this past Friday.
In the B final carlow u15s colts beat north nally (rathvilly grange clonmore tullow). The game was played in tough conditions but I was very impressed with the 15s colts. A really well coached team with some great principles. We might have some future stars in that team.
A FINAL was between palatine u16 champs and carlow davin (eire og michael davits tinryland asca o'hanrahans) carlow davin built up a good lead with the wind and built on it in the second half but great credit to palatine competing stand alone against a very strong amalgamation. Carlow davin played some great direct football and the quality from both sides was brilliant.
This has been a great competition. The boys really bought into it and there was no problem finding coaches which shows that this can work at all ages. I hope to see this rolled out to all ages in the coming years. It was disappointing to see a couple of clubs opting out but overall a great tournament" Do you have any idea of the club breakdowns for Davin and North Nally?
and, also, who is coaching the Colts?
Also, is it perhaps looking at rolling something like this out for adult players? To maybe strengthen the county team? And perhaps at other grades?
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 737 - 02/12/2024 11:07:32
2581997
Link
0
|
|
Replying To CARPS: "Do you have any idea of the club breakdowns for Davin and North Nally?
and, also, who is coaching the Colts?
Also, is it perhaps looking at rolling something like this out for adult players? To maybe strengthen the county team? And perhaps at other grades?" I posted the clubs in my post. North nally (rathvilly tullow grange clonmore?
Carlow davin ( eire og davits o hanrahans tinryland asca)
Davits were meant to be in with bagenalstown but they withdrew from the competition as did myshall and mlr as far as I can tell apologies if I'm wrong on mlr.
East hogan was (St martins kildavin)
15s colts is headed by a rathvilly man tomas reilly very good coach and alan kelly from eire og another good coach. They have a nice style instilled in them. Move the ball at pace and have some very nice players throughout the team.
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1665 - 02/12/2024 13:33:30
2582034
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Barrowsider: "I posted the clubs in my post. North nally (rathvilly tullow grange clonmore?
Carlow davin ( eire og davits o hanrahans tinryland asca)
Davits were meant to be in with bagenalstown but they withdrew from the competition as did myshall and mlr as far as I can tell apologies if I'm wrong on mlr.
East hogan was (St martins kildavin)
15s colts is headed by a rathvilly man tomas reilly very good coach and alan kelly from eire og another good coach. They have a nice style instilled in them. Move the ball at pace and have some very nice players throughout the team." No, I mean how many players from each of the clubs (approx?)
Thanks for the other information,
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 737 - 02/12/2024 14:49:05
2582053
Link
0
|
|
Replying To CARPS: "No, I mean how many players from each of the clubs (approx?)
Thanks for the other information," I thought you were having a senior moment carps it seems I was instead
Davin had 7 eire og 10 davits 2 asca 4 o hanrahans 8 tinryland
Nally had 5 clonmore 3 grange 3 rathvilly 7 tullow
Not sure of hogans make up can't find a program
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1665 - 02/12/2024 21:23:02
2582120
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Barrowsider: "I thought you were having a senior moment carps it seems I was instead
Davin had 7 eire og 10 davits 2 asca 4 o hanrahans 8 tinryland
Nally had 5 clonmore 3 grange 3 rathvilly 7 tullow
Not sure of hogans make up can't find a program" That's really interesting - thanks. Seems Nally had a very small panel.
I'd like to see this rolled out at other levels. Including adult.
A Kerry style SFC with 4 clubs and 4 area teams could be the way to go for Carlow, in my opinion.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 737 - 03/12/2024 10:03:22
2582154
Link
0
|
|
Replying To CARPS: "That's really interesting - thanks. Seems Nally had a very small panel.
I'd like to see this rolled out at other levels. Including adult.
A Kerry style SFC with 4 clubs and 4 area teams could be the way to go for Carlow, in my opinion." What would the divide look like for senior?
North: Pal, Clonmore, Rathvilly, Tullow, Grange
South: St. Mullins, MLR, Bagenalstown, OL, BB, MD
East: Kildavin, Kilbride, Ballon, Fenagh, Myshall, Cox
Wesht: Eire Og, Asca, Blues, Tinryland, Graigue
Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 145 - 03/12/2024 13:29:52
2582180
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Carlowrising: "What would the divide look like for senior?
North: Pal, Clonmore, Rathvilly, Tullow, Grange
South: St. Mullins, MLR, Bagenalstown, OL, BB, MD
East: Kildavin, Kilbride, Ballon, Fenagh, Myshall, Cox
Wesht: Eire Og, Asca, Blues, Tinryland, Graigue" Including Graigue is getting a bit ahead of ourselves.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 737 - 03/12/2024 15:08:03
2582207
Link
0
|