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Any predictions for tomo? Two tough games to call. Group form would suggest Gaels Raharney final? Killian Doyle out for Raharney?

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 133 - 28/09/2019 15:56:47    2239839

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Replying To LockLeanGayl:  "Any predictions for tomo? Two tough games to call. Group form would suggest Gaels Raharney final? Killian Doyle out for Raharney?"
Easy win for Castletown, Raharney to edge a tight game.

locklanegale (Wexford) - Posts: 58 - 28/09/2019 20:17:13    2239883

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Replying To Gaawestmeath:  "Two groups will have 6 teams . Nobody will be demoted and one team will go from senior group 2 . Two intermediate finalist will go into senior B. Both groups will be separate competitions and will go into semis after the groups . I don't agree with the change because it leaves teams like delvin a couple of years ago having a good year and nearly beating a top team in a semi ever having that chance. Senior B is essentially intermediate again."
Getting back to earlier posts regarding championships next year and essentially it's a joke of a set up. There's barely a handful of teams actually senior standard and to let on there's enough strength for a senior a and senior b championship and no first teams in junior, like who are they trying to fool??
If the championship was graded in accordance to actual ability of the teams it'd be a 3 team senior championship, a 4 or 5 team intermediate and the rest of the first teams into a junior... yet in effect there's 12 "senior" teams next year and no first teams ever in junior... notions or what?

locklanegale (Wexford) - Posts: 58 - 28/09/2019 20:39:15    2239888

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Replying To locklanegale:  "Getting back to earlier posts regarding championships next year and essentially it's a joke of a set up. There's barely a handful of teams actually senior standard and to let on there's enough strength for a senior a and senior b championship and no first teams in junior, like who are they trying to fool??
If the championship was graded in accordance to actual ability of the teams it'd be a 3 team senior championship, a 4 or 5 team intermediate and the rest of the first teams into a junior... yet in effect there's 12 "senior" teams next year and no first teams ever in junior... notions or what?"
The senior B championship in reality is the Intermediate championship with no possibility of winning the senior A but champions entering Leinster intermediate. the so called intermediate champions enter the Leinster junior. Only three second teams will take part I think Raharney in senior b and Clonkill and Castletown in intermediate.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 857 - 28/09/2019 22:19:55    2239910

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Anyone in at intermediate? You wouldn't be disappointed. As a neutral it was probably the best game of hurling I have seen all year or at least the most exciting. Credit to both teams and management on a terrific display and a never say die attitude and not a dirty stroke in the game. Two teams just wanting to go out and hurl. Absolute credit. Roll on the replay

theslenderman (Westmeath) - Posts: 46 - 29/09/2019 11:53:15    2239998

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Replying To jobber:  "The senior B championship in reality is the Intermediate championship with no possibility of winning the senior A but champions entering Leinster intermediate. the so called intermediate champions enter the Leinster junior. Only three second teams will take part I think Raharney in senior b and Clonkill and Castletown in intermediate."
If we were grading next year to actual standards and competitiveness over the last few years (assuming first teams only and even number groups)

Senior championship 3 teams
Raharney
Castletown
Clonkill

Some may say this is maybe a little harsh on the Gaels but they only ever seem to have one big game a year and then revert back to type, one swallow doesn't make a summer as they say (today should tell a bit more however)

Intermediate championship 4 teams
Gaels
Pollard
Delvin
Crookedwood

Again possibly harsh on Brownstown

Junior championship 4 teams
Brownstown
Brigids
Daltons
Cullion


Junior b championship 4 teams
Plunketts
Ringtown
Turin
Southern Gaels

Even with this some of the teams would struggle in their respective championships in a stronger county.
I think this reflects the general malaise around hurling in the county at the moment

locklanegale (Wexford) - Posts: 58 - 29/09/2019 11:56:34    2239999

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Replying To locklanegale:  "If we were grading next year to actual standards and competitiveness over the last few years (assuming first teams only and even number groups)

Senior championship 3 teams
Raharney
Castletown
Clonkill

Some may say this is maybe a little harsh on the Gaels but they only ever seem to have one big game a year and then revert back to type, one swallow doesn't make a summer as they say (today should tell a bit more however)

Intermediate championship 4 teams
Gaels
Pollard
Delvin
Crookedwood

Again possibly harsh on Brownstown

Junior championship 4 teams
Brownstown
Brigids
Daltons
Cullion


Junior b championship 4 teams
Plunketts
Ringtown
Turin
Southern Gaels

Even with this some of the teams would struggle in their respective championships in a stronger county.
I think this reflects the general malaise around hurling in the county at the moment"
As I've said here before, the new structure is designed to keep a few clubs up in 'senior' when in reality they are not senior standard and in fact they will struggle in the next few years due to poor or no underage teams.
A few clubs are deluding themselves and think they are permanently entitled to be senior because they won a few titles 20+ years ago.

Whereas some of the clubs down in the current intermediate have been doing good work and will be getting stronger.

What is actually needed is one or two new clubs in the south of the county. Kinnegad and Kilbeggan would be obvious candidates.

There is nothing wrong with the current set up. The main issue is clubs playing each other far too often. This is an issue at underage level too. We should be looking to develop a joint hurling league with Meath to give teams more games. Meath have passed us out at most levels and they are very well organised.
Standards have dropped across the county and this will hit home in a few years at senior county level.

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1791 - 29/09/2019 14:55:22    2240037

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Replying To valley84:  "As I've said here before, the new structure is designed to keep a few clubs up in 'senior' when in reality they are not senior standard and in fact they will struggle in the next few years due to poor or no underage teams.
A few clubs are deluding themselves and think they are permanently entitled to be senior because they won a few titles 20+ years ago.

Whereas some of the clubs down in the current intermediate have been doing good work and will be getting stronger.

What is actually needed is one or two new clubs in the south of the county. Kinnegad and Kilbeggan would be obvious candidates.

There is nothing wrong with the current set up. The main issue is clubs playing each other far too often. This is an issue at underage level too. We should be looking to develop a joint hurling league with Meath to give teams more games. Meath have passed us out at most levels and they are very well organised.
Standards have dropped across the county and this will hit home in a few years at senior county level."
How many consecutive semi finals have the gales lost now?

JohnyDuncan (UK) - Posts: 94 - 29/09/2019 19:09:43    2240081

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Meath clubs? They don't even compete in the Leinster club hurling senior championship!! Nothing wrong with current system? No, suppose not where the recent quarter finals saw two teams, Delvin and Crookedwood, who had won 7 out of 8 matches between them to qualify for quarter final, beaten by a combined total of 50 points in two utterly pointless matches. Any more useful suggestions?

Bellewest (Westmeath) - Posts: 150 - 29/09/2019 21:00:40    2240118

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What relevance is the Gaels semi final record? Comprehensively beaten today by a superb Castletown side who were a joy to watch. No shame in being beaten by them today. The Gaels don't have the same strength in depth as the other contenders.

Bellewest (Westmeath) - Posts: 150 - 29/09/2019 21:03:06    2240120

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Didn't mean to reply to the above, curious was all.

JohnyDuncan (UK) - Posts: 94 - 29/09/2019 21:42:58    2240136

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Replying To Bellewest:  "Meath clubs? They don't even compete in the Leinster club hurling senior championship!! Nothing wrong with current system? No, suppose not where the recent quarter finals saw two teams, Delvin and Crookedwood, who had won 7 out of 8 matches between them to qualify for quarter final, beaten by a combined total of 50 points in two utterly pointless matches. Any more useful suggestions?"
No they don't.
But most club sides in Meath would beat Westmeath club sides.

Having 12 clubs up playing senior isn't going to paper over the fact that 3 clubs are much stronger than the other clubs.

And there's a reason why some clubs are still senior, because twice in the last few years there has been no relegation

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1791 - 29/09/2019 23:36:03    2240171

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Replying To valley84:  "No they don't.
But most club sides in Meath would beat Westmeath club sides.

Having 12 clubs up playing senior isn't going to paper over the fact that 3 clubs are much stronger than the other clubs.

And there's a reason why some clubs are still senior, because twice in the last few years there has been no relegation"
Which clubs are been kept senior?

Inspired (Westmeath) - Posts: 52 - 30/09/2019 11:52:00    2240259

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Replying To Inspired:  "Which clubs are been kept senior?"
Senior A:
Castletown, Clonkill, Raharney, Gaels, Pollard, Delvin

Senior B:
Crookedwood, Brownstown, Daltons, Brigids, Raharney, Cullion

Intermediate:
Ringtown, Castletown, Plunketts, Turin, Clonkill, Daltons, Southern Gaels

soreknee (Westmeath) - Posts: 135 - 30/09/2019 15:46:54    2240360

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The top four senior sides in westmeath would easily beat any senior side in Meath. There's a reason why these clubs never face each other in challenge matches despite geographical proximity.

Bellewest (Westmeath) - Posts: 150 - 30/09/2019 16:02:45    2240365

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We were awful yesterday, not to take from Castletown who were very impressive. Why play Jogger at 10 and Niall O'Brien running amok beyond. Castletowns to lose now?

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 133 - 30/09/2019 18:42:14    2240425

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Sorry I was referring to valleys post about there been no relegation in the senior a few times and was asking which clubs were been kept senior those years or who was it to suit?

Inspired (Westmeath) - Posts: 52 - 30/09/2019 19:34:40    2240441

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Replying To Bellewest:  "The top four senior sides in westmeath would easily beat any senior side in Meath. There's a reason why these clubs never face each other in challenge matches despite geographical proximity."
I'd say kiltale play Raharney and LLG at least once if not twice a year, same with trim

westmeathgaa11 (Westmeath) - Posts: 79 - 30/09/2019 23:21:39    2240482

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Replying To valley84:  "No they don't.
But most club sides in Meath would beat Westmeath club sides.

Having 12 clubs up playing senior isn't going to paper over the fact that 3 clubs are much stronger than the other clubs.

And there's a reason why some clubs are still senior, because twice in the last few years there has been no relegation"
As usual you are being liberal with the truth. Four teams were relegated this year. Crookedwood, Brownstown, Father Daltons and Saint Brigids cannot be county champions in 2020 and will play in a championship whose champions enter the Leinster intermediate. Its simple if you want to see. The notion that Kiltale or Kildalkey who are in the Meath senior final would be competitors to Castletown, Clonkill or Raharney is simply rubbish.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 857 - 30/09/2019 23:53:24    2240485

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Replying To jobber:  "As usual you are being liberal with the truth. Four teams were relegated this year. Crookedwood, Brownstown, Father Daltons and Saint Brigids cannot be county champions in 2020 and will play in a championship whose champions enter the Leinster intermediate. Its simple if you want to see. The notion that Kiltale or Kildalkey who are in the Meath senior final would be competitors to Castletown, Clonkill or Raharney is simply rubbish."
Living close to the border and going to club matches in both counties I think ye both have some good points. As regards clubs I think kiltale would prob be very close to the level of the top 3 in Westmeath but just not quite a there level bit would definitely be ahead of LLg. Its prob after kiltale that things get a bit closer. The next 4 or 5 clubs in Meath would prob be about the gales level ie. Trim Kildalkey Ratoath Killyon and Longwood. Maybe some of these might be closer to Pollard level but in or around that I would say. Its prob after that that the level in Meath might get ahead of Westmeath. So to say most clubs in meath would beat Westmeath is not really right I don't think. Also I think there is plenty of challenge matches between teams on both side as someone said Kiltale regularly do also know Trim, Kildalkey, Killyon definitely do and prob a couple of others.

Flash27 (Meath) - Posts: 54 - 02/10/2019 14:57:26    2240954

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