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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "People won't agree i know before i post but i really think the county should focus on getting one code mastered. For me, it should be easier to put proper structures, administration, coaching etc in relation to football. Once the county is up to scratch on the football front replicate the blueprint in relation to hurling. Currently we are mediocre in relation to football and horrendous on the hurling front. It is madness to continue doing the same things over and over especially as the current structures, methods aren't working."
In truth Wicklowsupport, in Wicklow we have made a virtue of mediocrity. There is unfortunately no nice way of describing how we have handled Gaelic games since their inception. But, don't worry, the annual bash will be on again in a few weeks. Everyone will be dolled up in their finery. A slap up meal probably. Lots of back slapping and self congratulatory speeches. Another leading light in failure and mediocrity will be inducted into the Hall of Fame ? Wow, people who have spent years of their lives misguidedly slaving away to the false god of failure and disappointment. But shur a great night will be had by all. This is in no way to diminish the various awards that will be handed out to the various players of the year etc. they are 100% entitled to their moment of glory. God knows they won't have too many of those in their playing careers, particularly inter county ones. For them, they could never get enough exposure and congratulations, but please, please spare us this other stuff.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 413 - 27/11/2021 15:37:14    2390963

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Replying To Freethinker:  "In truth Wicklowsupport, in Wicklow we have made a virtue of mediocrity. There is unfortunately no nice way of describing how we have handled Gaelic games since their inception. But, don't worry, the annual bash will be on again in a few weeks. Everyone will be dolled up in their finery. A slap up meal probably. Lots of back slapping and self congratulatory speeches. Another leading light in failure and mediocrity will be inducted into the Hall of Fame ? Wow, people who have spent years of their lives misguidedly slaving away to the false god of failure and disappointment. But shur a great night will be had by all. This is in no way to diminish the various awards that will be handed out to the various players of the year etc. they are 100% entitled to their moment of glory. God knows they won't have too many of those in their playing careers, particularly inter county ones. For them, they could never get enough exposure and congratulations, but please, please spare us this other stuff."
I don't disagree with you and i don't begrudge any player that wins an award but i find it hard to believe the mentality whereby mediocrity is acceptable. Surely players and clubs want to compete and win at a high level!!! It is the clubs who are sending representatives to the county convention; do clubs not want change at the top table? I can't help but feel that with the exception of a minority in the county that overall the majority are satisfied with the mediocity the exists currently and has existed forever. We have had some embarassing county and club results in hurling and football with no reaction nor outrage - is their no pride in the county?

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1438 - 27/11/2021 19:36:33    2390990

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Do we feel Blessington have any chance this weekend against the Kildare champions?

Interesting side note that a lot of Blessington lads went to school in Naas. Turns a Leinster championship game into a local derby.

wondershorts (Wicklow) - Posts: 287 - 30/11/2021 09:07:24    2391166

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Replying To wondershorts:  "Do we feel Blessington have any chance this weekend against the Kildare champions?

Interesting side note that a lot of Blessington lads went to school in Naas. Turns a Leinster championship game into a local derby."
A team always has a chance but in my opinion Blessington only has a very slim chance on Sunday. I can't see Blessington getting enough scores plus Naas are a high scoring team. Equally when i saw Blessington this year they weren't tight marking at the back. Bad combination. I think Naas will win comfortably unless Blessington can address these two areas in which case there might be a game. I do wish Blessington all the best and i hope they prove me wrong.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1438 - 01/12/2021 12:03:14    2391283

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "A team always has a chance but in my opinion Blessington only has a very slim chance on Sunday. I can't see Blessington getting enough scores plus Naas are a high scoring team. Equally when i saw Blessington this year they weren't tight marking at the back. Bad combination. I think Naas will win comfortably unless Blessington can address these two areas in which case there might be a game. I do wish Blessington all the best and i hope they prove me wrong."
I don't know anything about Naas but respect your opinion of them. Still, I'm not sure that we have seen the best of Blesso. Now that they believe in themselves they could keep improving. So, I will keep the money in the pocket and wish them the very best of luck at the weekend. In reply to your question in your last post about clubs or Wicklow Gaels in general caring about how we fare at National level or not fare as is normally the case, I think the answer is obvious in the lack of interest your query deserved. So it's onwards and not quite upwards.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 413 - 02/12/2021 21:33:37    2391500

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County teams getting back into training very soon, any word on new Donegal panel, any new faces or any retirements or anyone leaving panel.

jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 170 - 04/12/2021 20:45:32    2391678

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Replying To jacktheboy:  "County teams getting back into training very soon, any word on new Donegal panel, any new faces or any retirements or anyone leaving panel."
Think you're in the wrong thread Jack, we can barely get lads to respond to questions about who's in the Wicklow panel!

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 501 - 04/12/2021 21:48:19    2391682

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Replying To jacktheboy:  "County teams getting back into training very soon, any word on new Donegal panel, any new faces or any retirements or anyone leaving panel."
I'd imagine, jacktheboy, you are in the wrong county for info on the Donegal panel. Sorry.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 413 - 04/12/2021 21:59:35    2391686

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Replying To Freethinker:  "I don't know anything about Naas but respect your opinion of them. Still, I'm not sure that we have seen the best of Blesso. Now that they believe in themselves they could keep improving. So, I will keep the money in the pocket and wish them the very best of luck at the weekend. In reply to your question in your last post about clubs or Wicklow Gaels in general caring about how we fare at National level or not fare as is normally the case, I think the answer is obvious in the lack of interest your query deserved. So it's onwards and not quite upwards."
I think Blessington have an excellent chance today and I predict a very close game and would not be at all surprised if they cone out on top. Naas are an excellent side but were pushed in some of their league and championship games in kildare The game is there for the taking . In relation to the level of interest in our county scene here in Wicklow, there are still genuine people who follow their county thick and thin. However that number is dwindling We do have talented footballers to follow this year and there will definitely be new faces on the panel

roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 48 - 05/12/2021 09:11:56    2391691

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Twenty years ago Rathnew were Leinster senior club champions. Twenty years later, the champions of Wicklow were like boys against men today and Naas may not even be the best team in Leinster. I have followed Wicklow football for thirty years. I have seen most of the club champions compete in the Leinster championship, most years and I have seen a lot of county finals in that time. In the last few years, I haven't seen many local county championship matches but this year, I attended a few. The standards in the county is very low; the lowest I have ever seen it. Players are not physically big enough and not conditioned well. The game is played at a slower pace, no intensity in general nor in the tackle. Speed of thought is too slow. Ball is moved too slow, play in general is naïve. The county is miles behind other counties in Leinster never mind Ireland. Today should be the catalyst for change in the county. Blessington were not able to compete against Naas in any area. People can delude themselves that there are good players in the county. There are good players in the county by Wicklow standards but these same players are mediocre players when you compare them to the standards in other counties. Equally people can blame the county manager, the county board, etc but the buck stops with the clubs and the standard of player being developed by the clubs in the county is mediocre. Barndarrig (Junior), An Tocher (Intermediate) and Blessington (Senior) were all beaten in their respective competitions by double digits. How can intercounty teams expect to perform and progress if this is the standard of players and clubs that make up the county scene? They can't and they won't. Wicklow as a county in football; the clubs in the county, the clubs that make up the county board have a decision to make, do they modernise in terms of how they develop players so that they can compete at a decent level or do they fall further and further behind. It appears the latter is the answer at the moment.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1438 - 05/12/2021 14:47:25    2391731

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "Twenty years ago Rathnew were Leinster senior club champions. Twenty years later, the champions of Wicklow were like boys against men today and Naas may not even be the best team in Leinster. I have followed Wicklow football for thirty years. I have seen most of the club champions compete in the Leinster championship, most years and I have seen a lot of county finals in that time. In the last few years, I haven't seen many local county championship matches but this year, I attended a few. The standards in the county is very low; the lowest I have ever seen it. Players are not physically big enough and not conditioned well. The game is played at a slower pace, no intensity in general nor in the tackle. Speed of thought is too slow. Ball is moved too slow, play in general is naïve. The county is miles behind other counties in Leinster never mind Ireland. Today should be the catalyst for change in the county. Blessington were not able to compete against Naas in any area. People can delude themselves that there are good players in the county. There are good players in the county by Wicklow standards but these same players are mediocre players when you compare them to the standards in other counties. Equally people can blame the county manager, the county board, etc but the buck stops with the clubs and the standard of player being developed by the clubs in the county is mediocre. Barndarrig (Junior), An Tocher (Intermediate) and Blessington (Senior) were all beaten in their respective competitions by double digits. How can intercounty teams expect to perform and progress if this is the standard of players and clubs that make up the county scene? They can't and they won't. Wicklow as a county in football; the clubs in the county, the clubs that make up the county board have a decision to make, do they modernise in terms of how they develop players so that they can compete at a decent level or do they fall further and further behind. It appears the latter is the answer at the moment."
Very well thought out, and articulated post, Wicklowsupport and there is not one person in this county or outside it who could honestly put up any cogent alternative view. You have hit every nail smack bang on the head, and I have no idea in truth how to even suggest how we can set about fixing any of our many failings.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 413 - 05/12/2021 19:54:09    2391780

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Replying To Freethinker:  "Very well thought out, and articulated post, Wicklowsupport and there is not one person in this county or outside it who could honestly put up any cogent alternative view. You have hit every nail smack bang on the head, and I have no idea in truth how to even suggest how we can set about fixing any of our many failings."
I swear people in Wicklow actually enjoy the misery more than anything. Where were all the essay long posts after Blessington beat St. Columbas, a team who won Leinster a few years ago?

Naas were too good for Blessington, not 13 points better, but still too good. Some of the goals Blesso conceded were poor and they had no free taker. I'd hazard a guess neither of you were at the match?

That Naas team will be in a Leinster final and could run Kilmacud or Portarlington close.

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 501 - 06/12/2021 09:03:18    2391803

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Replying To Victorious87:  "I swear people in Wicklow actually enjoy the misery more than anything. Where were all the essay long posts after Blessington beat St. Columbas, a team who won Leinster a few years ago?

Naas were too good for Blessington, not 13 points better, but still too good. Some of the goals Blesso conceded were poor and they had no free taker. I'd hazard a guess neither of you were at the match?

That Naas team will be in a Leinster final and could run Kilmacud or Portarlington close."
I don't come on here to say negative things about teams in Wicklow but at the same time, there is no point coming on and pretending that Wicklow teams are up to scratch when they aren't. The point I was making doesn't just apply to Blessington. All three representatives at Junior, Intermediate and Senior were beaten by double figures. I see club football in Kildare and when I go watch club football in Wicklow, the gulf is huge so I predicted that Blessington wouldn't be able to compete yesterday. It is all aspects of the game - fitness, physicality, conditioning, speed of thought, speed of moving the ball, getting possession from kick outs, taking scores from far out, knowing how to tackle and turnover the ball; the list goes on. How can a county have a county team that can compete when the clubs can't compete and players that are perceived as good players are nowhere near as good as we think when they come up against other counties or players from other counties?

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1438 - 06/12/2021 09:51:31    2391810

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Replying To Victorious87:  "I swear people in Wicklow actually enjoy the misery more than anything. Where were all the essay long posts after Blessington beat St. Columbas, a team who won Leinster a few years ago?

Naas were too good for Blessington, not 13 points better, but still too good. Some of the goals Blesso conceded were poor and they had no free taker. I'd hazard a guess neither of you were at the match?

That Naas team will be in a Leinster final and could run Kilmacud or Portarlington close."
Blessington wouldn't make a semifinal in Kildare Senior club championship

Cloon12 (Kildare) - Posts: 52 - 06/12/2021 11:13:19    2391822

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Replying To Cloon12:  "Blessington wouldn't make a semifinal in Kildare Senior club championship"
I agree with you. And to think that the champions of Wicklow were able to compete against the champions of Kildare and on many occasions in the past come out on top. Even in 2017, Rathnew were very competitive against Moorefield who went on to win the Leinster title. Clubs in the county, not just Blessington but teams Blessington beat along the way need to reflect on this result. There is no point, thinking that they are better than they are. Also, the county board or whoever arrange football fixtures in the league and championship need to look at the format as it isn't working. If Wicklow clubs want to compete again for top spot in the province there must be changes made.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1438 - 06/12/2021 14:31:27    2391867

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Replying To Freethinker:  "Very well thought out, and articulated post, Wicklowsupport and there is not one person in this county or outside it who could honestly put up any cogent alternative view. You have hit every nail smack bang on the head, and I have no idea in truth how to even suggest how we can set about fixing any of our many failings."
You ask what are the answers to Wicklow football's ills? In truth there are no easy answers but I believe with some changes and a lot of hard work that clubs could become competitive in the short term again. Alot of the hard work needs to come at club level. I think there should be more games for young players, not fewer. I think these games, if possible should be against clubs in other counties bordering the county. Clubs playing clubs in other counties of a similar size and capability. I think there should be more district teams in the senior championship like in Kerry which enables players from smaller clubs to play in the senior championship. I would introduce a pilot competition at under 23 level. This will improvement them as players and the various competitions. I think the county board should review and change the coaching that is being done by coaches at schools and club level. It is not fit for purpose as it is not getting results. Part of this change should involve looking at what Kildare, Offaly etc are doing at underage at club level. Offaly have proven what can be done in a short timeframe and Kildare in the last 10-15 years. I would suggest a clampdown on behaviour at all club matches in the county as I believe it is preventing people from getting involved. Finally, clubs should actively recruit young players to start playing football and to put a huge effort into retaining them. Other people with more knowledge than me can offer other suggestions. Finally, clubs need to show ambition, not more of the same stuff that isn't working.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1438 - 06/12/2021 16:20:56    2391884

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I was disappointed to read that Kevin O'Brien won't be involved with any under age intercounty teams this year. I would like to commend the work Kevin has done at underage level in the last few years. He restored a sense of respectability into our underage teams. His teams always played a nice style of football just like his own playing style. Not only that but his teams got great results beating Dublin at minor level. Hopefully we will see Kevin involved at this level in the not too distant future.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1438 - 07/12/2021 12:02:35    2391968

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