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What team will take to the field this week do you think? The most likely team will be

Beggan
Wylie
Wylie
Duffy
Vinny
Karl
Boyle
Kieran Hughes
Kearns
Kelly
Carey
Mc Anespie
Mc Manus
Duffy
Mc Carthy

He will revert back to Vinny with Walshe or Karl missing out, my money is on walshe. Kieran Duffy obviously in, Kearns will have to start to give him a full game to get him back up to speed, Kelly will play as a sweeper with mc carthy roaming and more than likely Mc manus or possibly Bannigan being given a start given the confidence he put in him in Cavan. Owen Duffy will be malachys tried and trusted man in a must win game and he will choose him above Bannigan and Mc Ginn, and Boyle will man mark Jones and Kearns on donnelly.
Will he keep O hanlon in reserve? I think he will.

Its vital Kearns starts incase we get a heavyweight such as Mayo or Tyrone/Donegal in the next round to have him up to speed. If he is fit for 20 in Cavan then he is fit for this game. Darren Hughes must play aswell even if he is only 70 or 80% again to give game time to him.

The talk of Drew Wylie out of the full back line is nonsense talk. He must play full back and stay there, when he is out round the middle he is most vulnerable to the speed of runners coming at speed whereas in the full back line he will be protected by Darren Hughes. It was obvious in Cavan that Mickey Graham specifically directed Madden to take Drew for a run and exposed the holes when running at him.

Shane Carey is another man who gets a lot of slack but remember he is our best consistent scoring half forward and scored 2 points against Cavan. He is vital to the team for that alone and he must stop making silly mistakes and when he does he can be the heartbeat of the team. Malone or Mc anespie wont score in tight games and this has been proven and the talk on the terraces in Cavan was that we had too many passengers in the scoring pack and for that then Malone must be dropped.

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 193 - 07/06/2019 17:41:00    2191516

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Sunday is break or make for Monaghan. Would be shocking to be dumped out in June after the heroics of last year. So much talk on this forum of what certain Monaghan players can do since the beginning of this year. It's really now the players themselves have to do it. No more IFS.

In saying that some players look bang out of form, why? Since 2013, it's been all hands on deck for certain players and this team. Physically and emotionally, it has to take its toll somewhere. The top teams have built new teams, but Monaghan still rely on that core group.

Back to Sunday, Monaghan to win similar to 2017 v fermanagh. Dogged first half but Monaghan to pull away. Do I see a deep run for this team? No, cant see them making super eights, miles are on the clock.

222 (UK) - Posts: 520 - 07/06/2019 20:46:08    2191548

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Replying To montheman:  "obviously make or break this weekend. I don't care how we play so long as we get the result and it will be interesting to see how much the donegal game took out of fermanagh because we certainly only played in 2nd gear and we have had a longer rest. We need any sort of a win to improve our confidence. If we win which I think we will we could go on a nice run again (maybe get limerick in round 2) and the confidence would improve. I would start conor mccarthy and have young o'hanlon on the bench. I thought his heart was in the right place against cavan and at least he tried to create a few runs but we need to get rid of the ball quicker and pass/kick around the blanket defence. Conor boyle all day long for me at full back. Drew wylie has lost his pace for man marking and id have cleaning up around the half back/midfield area. He has hit some great scores over the years and he is more valuable further up the field. We need fintan kelly and kieran hughes in midfield and stop trying to position hughes in full forward and hitting high hopeful balls. We've tried it so many times (last resort) and it just doesn't work. He's better out the field for shooting/drawing the foul/passing.

My main fear at the moment is that our focus last year (including my own) was that we reach a semi final. What a summer it was and the lads did us proud. This year is the players aim to reach an All Ireland Final? Based on the cavan display I doubt it unless it was all a ploy by MOR to not win Ulster. Do they believe we are good enough to reach it? Or are they happy to live off the achievements of last year. Very hard to know. Like I said before we need a good sports psychologist more than anything at present. Too many games we have gone in unprepared for teams who are inferior to us.

Hope we can do it Sunday and hopefully looking forward to another great summer."
We need fintan kelly and kieran hughes in midfield and stop trying to position hughes in full forward and hitting high hopeful balls. We've tried it so many times (last resort) and it just doesn't work. He's better out the field for shooting/drawing the foul/passing.
What a load of rubbish ! K Hughes is one of best FFs in Ireland. Only reason not played there more often because of injuries in mid field as at present. You've actually said it yourself ...high hopeful balls into him as a last resort ! Play him FF from start to finish.......we actually won the mid field battle against Cavan & where did it get us ...nowhere. Long diagonal ball into K Hughes all day long .......that's the job ...ask Jim McGuinnes !

Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 171 - 07/06/2019 20:55:04    2191549

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Was reading that Tyrone have 10 players on their panel from u21 teams from 15 16 who we beat in the ulster final in 16.. How many have we brought through in same period. Can't think of more than 3 or 4 and there is only 1 or 2 of them regular starters at best. Something doesn't add up there.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1472 - 08/06/2019 07:05:55    2191607

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Replying To monaghanmad:  "What team will take to the field this week do you think? The most likely team will be

Beggan
Wylie
Wylie
Duffy
Vinny
Karl
Boyle
Kieran Hughes
Kearns
Kelly
Carey
Mc Anespie
Mc Manus
Duffy
Mc Carthy

He will revert back to Vinny with Walshe or Karl missing out, my money is on walshe. Kieran Duffy obviously in, Kearns will have to start to give him a full game to get him back up to speed, Kelly will play as a sweeper with mc carthy roaming and more than likely Mc manus or possibly Bannigan being given a start given the confidence he put in him in Cavan. Owen Duffy will be malachys tried and trusted man in a must win game and he will choose him above Bannigan and Mc Ginn, and Boyle will man mark Jones and Kearns on donnelly.
Will he keep O hanlon in reserve? I think he will.

Its vital Kearns starts incase we get a heavyweight such as Mayo or Tyrone/Donegal in the next round to have him up to speed. If he is fit for 20 in Cavan then he is fit for this game. Darren Hughes must play aswell even if he is only 70 or 80% again to give game time to him.

The talk of Drew Wylie out of the full back line is nonsense talk. He must play full back and stay there, when he is out round the middle he is most vulnerable to the speed of runners coming at speed whereas in the full back line he will be protected by Darren Hughes. It was obvious in Cavan that Mickey Graham specifically directed Madden to take Drew for a run and exposed the holes when running at him.

Shane Carey is another man who gets a lot of slack but remember he is our best consistent scoring half forward and scored 2 points against Cavan. He is vital to the team for that alone and he must stop making silly mistakes and when he does he can be the heartbeat of the team. Malone or Mc anespie wont score in tight games and this has been proven and the talk on the terraces in Cavan was that we had too many passengers in the scoring pack and for that then Malone must be dropped."
You cannot play anyone at this level who is not fully fit, especially after a bone break!

Monaghan Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 398 - 08/06/2019 13:19:45    2191680

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Replying To seanie08:  "Was reading that Tyrone have 10 players on their panel from u21 teams from 15 16 who we beat in the ulster final in 16.. How many have we brought through in same period. Can't think of more than 3 or 4 and there is only 1 or 2 of them regular starters at best. Something doesn't add up there."
Conor Forde, Barry Kerr, Dessie Ward, James Mealiff, Ryan McAnespie, Aaron Lynch, Barry McGinn and Conor McCarthy were all on that panel and will all most likely be on the county panel for the next 7-8 year. That's not a bad return. Lads like Kevin Loughran, will probably get a run on the county panel one day in the future too.

HB245 (Monaghan) - Posts: 82 - 08/06/2019 18:03:37    2191763

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Replying To Shelbourne1:  "We need fintan kelly and kieran hughes in midfield and stop trying to position hughes in full forward and hitting high hopeful balls. We've tried it so many times (last resort) and it just doesn't work. He's better out the field for shooting/drawing the foul/passing.
What a load of rubbish ! K Hughes is one of best FFs in Ireland. Only reason not played there more often because of injuries in mid field as at present. You've actually said it yourself ...high hopeful balls into him as a last resort ! Play him FF from start to finish.......we actually won the mid field battle against Cavan & where did it get us ...nowhere. Long diagonal ball into K Hughes all day long .......that's the job ...ask Jim McGuinnes !"
I had to laugh at this post when you said jim mcguiness....it actually proved my point. It worked in the 2013 Ulster final..nearly 6 years ago! Hasn't worked since. If we're still debating his best position in the team 6 years later well it shows the lack of progress under MOR.

montheman (Monaghan) - Posts: 28 - 09/06/2019 07:20:20    2192001

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So it all comes down to today for management and players. I find it hard to believe that management and some players decided to stay around after last year in order to give it one more big push this year and that this is the best they have got? Best of luck today to all and really hope the Monaghan supporters get behind the team. In every game this year it's like the supporters have been expecting them to be beat.Compare it to last year when we were one of the best supported counties....Hopefully see a different breed of animal both on and off the pitch today....HON THE FARNEY

FarneyLenny (Monaghan) - Posts: 110 - 09/06/2019 07:58:11    2192006

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The prospect of Monaghan fans having to navigate the aftermath of a defeat whilst Cavan fans roll up for their match is far from comfortable.
A must win in every sense.
Mon.

Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 286 - 09/06/2019 08:54:14    2192018

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Are people sitting in Pat McGrane choosing their seat or sitting at seat given to them on the ticket?

Monaghan2000 (Monaghan) - Posts: 39 - 09/06/2019 09:00:37    2192019

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Replying To Monaghan2000:  "Are people sitting in Pat McGrane choosing their seat or sitting at seat given to them on the ticket?"
Designated seating in the Pat McGrane. Eastern stand is only area that is not reserved.

If they could make the super 8's unreserved seating then, a qulifier and a replay in clones should have been the same.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1841 - 09/06/2019 09:48:04    2192044

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Replying To shaggylegend:  "Designated seating in the Pat McGrane. Eastern stand is only area that is not reserved.

If they could make the super 8's unreserved seating then, a qulifier and a replay in clones should have been the same."
Absolute joke why not just leave it as unreserved seating..

Monaghan2000 (Monaghan) - Posts: 39 - 09/06/2019 11:22:06    2192090

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What's wrong with reserved seating?

Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 739 - 09/06/2019 12:05:46    2192112

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Replying To Farney:  "What's wrong with reserved seating?"
Because at least if you arrive early for the game your rewarded with a good seat!

Monaghan2000 (Monaghan) - Posts: 39 - 09/06/2019 12:19:19    2192115

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Shockingly negative stuff there from Fermanagh. Players lying down writing in agony after every tackle. Medics must have put up some distance on their trackers. You wouldn't see it at a soccer match.

Couldn't take their beating either. Very poor attitude. The sooner those negative tactics can be eliminated, the better. Makes for very very boring games.

TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 92 - 09/06/2019 15:41:05    2192177

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Thoroughly enjoyed the game today. There was a nervy spell in the second half but we wouldn't be monaghan without that!

The better team won. Special mention to kieran Hughes and Rory beggan. Corey did well too (was it a penalty?) and great to see Jack come on and niall kearns play a full game.

Also great not having to rely on mansy who was very well marked..

Probably cursed them a few times going backwards but sometimes it has to be done.. We live to fight another day and also the day football wins

MalsBalls (Monaghan) - Posts: 104 - 09/06/2019 18:24:09    2192272

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Good to get the win but Christ that was close. We played well in patches but were far too open at the back a better side than fermanagh would have sent us packing. On the postives niall kearns and kieran hughes had good matches. We could do with avoiding the ulster teams and mayo in the morning.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1472 - 09/06/2019 18:40:32    2192295

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Replying To MalsBalls:  "Thoroughly enjoyed the game today. There was a nervy spell in the second half but we wouldn't be monaghan without that!

The better team won. Special mention to kieran Hughes and Rory beggan. Corey did well too (was it a penalty?) and great to see Jack come on and niall kearns play a full game.

Also great not having to rely on mansy who was very well marked..

Probably cursed them a few times going backwards but sometimes it has to be done.. We live to fight another day and also the day football wins"
Agree Hughes & Rory had a great game. Not sure we will get beyond the next day, but the team owe us nothing. Probably an unpopular opinion here, but would be happy to see Cavan win Ulster - they are playing a really nice brand of football - confident, attacking kick passing football; great to watch.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 798 - 09/06/2019 19:04:26    2192312

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Replying To greysoil:  "Agree Hughes & Rory had a great game. Not sure we will get beyond the next day, but the team owe us nothing. Probably an unpopular opinion here, but would be happy to see Cavan win Ulster - they are playing a really nice brand of football - confident, attacking kick passing football; great to watch."
Agree with that. Compared to the preceeding snooze fest, the Cavan / armagh game was very enjoyable.

TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 92 - 09/06/2019 19:46:48    2192337

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Replying To greysoil:  "Agree Hughes & Rory had a great game. Not sure we will get beyond the next day, but the team owe us nothing. Probably an unpopular opinion here, but would be happy to see Cavan win Ulster - they are playing a really nice brand of football - confident, attacking kick passing football; great to watch."
Why the red thumbs lads? Explain?

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 798 - 09/06/2019 20:02:12    2192350

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