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Replying To Whammo86:  "The issue though is that the inter county season's footprint is too large.

It's a bloated season, with not lots of excitement to be honest.

It should be reduced overall but the games that are played given more edge.

12 teams making it through to the knockout rounds is too low of a bar."
Tiered provincial round robin:
Galway v Mayo, Mayo v Roscommon and Roscommon v Galway will be good battles for top two.
Ulster - competitive gold. No more needs to be said.
Munster - Cork v Clare. Munster final should have best two.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8120 - 26/07/2024 09:55:48    2561659

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Tiered provincial round robin:
Galway v Mayo, Mayo v Roscommon and Roscommon v Galway will be good battles for top two.
Ulster - competitive gold. No more needs to be said.
Munster - Cork v Clare. Munster final should have best two."
Further entrenchment of systematic competitive imbalances.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4321 - 26/07/2024 12:30:28    2561714

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Further entrenchment of systematic competitive imbalances."
While two national groups of six sounds good in theory for hurling, will it retain the big crowds attending the Munster hurling championship?
When the GAA are considering championship structures etc., are people going to travel long distances consistently?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8120 - 26/07/2024 12:56:14    2561729

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Replying To legendzxix:  "While two national groups of six sounds good in theory for hurling, will it retain the big crowds attending the Munster hurling championship?
When the GAA are considering championship structures etc., are people going to travel long distances consistently?"
What do you see as long distances to be travelling?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3588 - 26/07/2024 13:14:26    2561736

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Replying To KillingFields:  "What do you see as long distances to be travelling?"
Once you're going more than two to three hours more or less.
I was musing over national formats previously. The Munster hurling championship has swayed me that the right blend of local rivalries and jeopardy is the best way forward.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8120 - 26/07/2024 14:49:33    2561786

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Once you're going more than two to three hours more or less.
I was musing over national formats previously. The Munster hurling championship has swayed me that the right blend of local rivalries and jeopardy is the best way forward."
It really isn't. And shouldn't be an issue.
You just won't propose anything that changes your own county's relatively easy passage to latter stages of competition which is sad

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3588 - 26/07/2024 14:56:49    2561793

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Once you're going more than two to three hours more or less.
I was musing over national formats previously. The Munster hurling championship has swayed me that the right blend of local rivalries and jeopardy is the best way forward."
This just seems so much worse than the qualifiers.

The Ulster competition would be great, the Connacht, mmm doesn't feel like an improvement on straight knockout there, you're trying to sell Munster on the basis of Clare v Cork and then Leinster has Dublin streets ahead and their championship already lacking engagement. I just don't see it. I don't see how it'd be better than the current system or the old qualifier system and I just don't see how it's justifiable to als have teams not compete in their Provincial competition so as to facilitate what's not a great system.
Then you have the relegation not really being determined in a meritocratic way and the other entrenched competitive imbalances. Geographical distance between 2 teams is very far from being the dominant factor in terms of whether a match up is intriguing and could capture a crowd.

Comparisons between the hurling and the football are not earned at all. The hurling is offering compelling contests and local rivalries.

I simply don't get it. At all.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4321 - 26/07/2024 15:22:04    2561801

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Replying To Whammo86:  "This just seems so much worse than the qualifiers.

The Ulster competition would be great, the Connacht, mmm doesn't feel like an improvement on straight knockout there, you're trying to sell Munster on the basis of Clare v Cork and then Leinster has Dublin streets ahead and their championship already lacking engagement. I just don't see it. I don't see how it'd be better than the current system or the old qualifier system and I just don't see how it's justifiable to als have teams not compete in their Provincial competition so as to facilitate what's not a great system.
Then you have the relegation not really being determined in a meritocratic way and the other entrenched competitive imbalances. Geographical distance between 2 teams is very far from being the dominant factor in terms of whether a match up is intriguing and could capture a crowd.

Comparisons between the hurling and the football are not earned at all. The hurling is offering compelling contests and local rivalries.

I simply don't get it. At all."
Roscommon lose to Mayo in Round 1. They'll have to beat Galway in a later round to make the final.
Munster is sometimes deprived of the best two in the final. A round robin should sort that.
The current provincial knockout, then group stage and then knockout again is clunky. Hurling has a smooth run of league, round robin and then knockouts. The provincial tiered system would offer football the same smooth flow of league, round robin and then knockout football.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8120 - 26/07/2024 16:32:52    2561825

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