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As his clubman I have seen more of Paul than most and he is an "All Star" but it does not bother me that he never received an actual award. We know his brilliance. The All Stars are the team of the championship and through no fault of his own the furthest Longford progressed in his time was a fourth round qualifier defeat. You can't expect to get an All Star ahead of players who have played really well on the biggest days - the All Ireland semi finals and final. Enda Smith must surely be an outlier. What annoys me more is that it's Brendan Barden who never received an All Star, for some reason the GAA decided to have no awards between what were the Cuchullain awards (Brendan has one of these) and the All Stars as we know them today
liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 261 - 20/11/2023 15:12:06 2513883 Link 0 |
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You're right in saying an all star team is supposed to be about the best players over the course of the season but that's obviously not the case in the GAA. There is key criteria required to be selected for a GAA All Star: 1 How far your county travelled in the All Ireland championship (the further the better your chances), then 2. your individual performances matter. So yes it's all about how your team fares in the championship first and foremost. The fact that only nine non quarter finalists have been chosen for All Stars since 2002 tells you all you need to know. I was shocked on Friday night when Roscommon got one for the poor All Ireland championship they had but I wouldn't begrudge Enda Smith as he is an exceptional footballer. He's in the 1 %. All Stars breakdown 2023-2010, info obtained from Twitter. All Ireland champions 44 % All Ireland finalists 26 % All Ireland semi finalists 23 % All Ireland quarter finalists 6 % All Ireland Last 12 1 % 2023 Dublin (All Ireland champions) 5 Kerry (All Ireland finalists) 4 Derry (All Ireland semi finalists) 4 Monaghan (All Ireland semi finalists) 1 Roscommon (Last 12) 1 2022 Kerry (All Ireland champions) 7 Galway (All Ireland finalists) 5 Derry (All Ireland semi finalists) 2 Dublin (All Ireland semi finalists) 1 2021 Tyrone (All Ireland champions) 8 Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 3 Kerry (All Ireland semi finalists) 3 Dublin (All Ireland semi finalists) 1 2020 Dublin (All Ireland champions) 9 Cavan (All Ireland semi finalists) 3 Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 2 Tipperary (All Ireland semi finalists) 1 2019 Dublin (All Ireland champions) 7 Kerry (All Ireland finalists) 4 Tyrone (All Ireland semi finalists) 2 Mayo (All Ireland semi finalists) 1 Donegal (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1 2018 Dublin (All Ireland champions) 7 Monaghan (All Ireland semi finalists) 3 Tyrone (All Ireland finalists) 2 Galway (All Ireland semi finalists) 1 Donegal (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1 Kerry (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1 2017 Dublin (All Ireland champions) 7 Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 6 Tyrone (All Ireland semi finalists) 1 Kerry (All Ireland semi finalists) 1 2016 Dublin (All Ireland champions) 6 Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 4 Tyrone (All Ireland quarter finalists) 2 Kerry (All Ireland semi finalists) 1 Tipperary (All Ireland semi finalists) 1 Donegal (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1 2015 Dublin (All Ireland champions) 7 Kerry (All Ireland finalists) 4 Mayo (All Ireland semi finalists) 2 Tyrone (All Ireland semi finalists) 1 Monaghan (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1 2014 Kerry (All Ireland champions) 5 Donegal (All Ireland finalists) 4 Dublin (All Ireland semi finalists) 3 Mayo (All Ireland semi finalists) 3 2013 Dublin (All Ireland champions) 6 Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 4 Monaghan (All Ireland quarter finalists) 2 Kerry (All Ireland semi finalists) 2 Tyrone (All Ireland semi finalists) 1 2012 Donegal (All Ireland champions) 8 Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 4 Cork (All Ireland semi finalists) 2 Dublin (All Ireland semi finalists) 1 2011 Dublin (All Ireland champions) 6 Kerry (All Ireland finalists) 4 Donegal (All Ireland semi finalists) 3 Mayo (All Ireland semi finalists) 1 Kildare (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1 2010 Cork (All Ireland champions) 4 Down (All Ireland finalists) 4 Kildare (All Ireland semi finalists) 2 Dublin (All Ireland semi finalists) 1 Tyrone (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1 Kerry (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1 Louth (Last 12) 1 Sligo (Last 12) 1 summerof09 (Meath) - Posts: 331 - 20/11/2023 16:55:08 2513900 Link 1 |
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Summer, thanks for your time and effort, but this type of quantitative data is HS (and I don't mean Hoganstand). Please come back with some qualitative data, for in the end of the day, as CiarraiMick points out above the awards are not based on how the team performs, but on how individuals performed in their individual positions (a few exceptions have been made over the years). Obviously, the more exposure and games should be to the benefit of players. However, not always, a la Stephen O'Brien in 2019. If he have had been injured for the final, let's say, he'd probably have won an award but his performance let him down. Please try to get over a Roscommon man winning one, with Meath nowhere even near the hind teat. foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2328 - 20/11/2023 17:48:43 2513908 Link 2 |
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That's someone else's work, not mine. It proves the point that the awards are based on how teams perform first of all (All Ireland champions will generally get the most, one or two more than the All Ireland finalists and the rest are divided between the semi finalists and quarter finalists. Enda Smith is one of the small number of players that has bucked the trend. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that Roscommon are celebrating an All Star and I'm aware that Meath are far off the pace.
summerof09 (Meath) - Posts: 331 - 21/11/2023 08:15:37 2513961 Link 0 |
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An average team doesn't finish 3rd in Div 1, beat Mayo in MacHale Park and held Dublin to 1-11 to a draw in Croke Park. Furthermore twice in the last 6 years Roscommon beat your own Galway by a bit to spare in Connacht final in Pearse Stadium. Enda Smith is one of number of decent players they have. From the Daly brothers,Brian Stack, Ciaran, Diarmuid Murtagh etc. Drax_the_destroyer (UK) - Posts: 523 - 21/11/2023 20:56:22 2514099 Link 2 |
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Looking through all stars mad statistic Offaly have double the amount of football all stars of Monaghon 30 to 14 and Kildare 30 to 15. Even odd that Kildare have 15 to Monaghon 14 dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 855 - 05/07/2025 13:39:05 2623736 Link 0 |
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Why do you find that odd as it is about right based on achievements. Offaly were a footballing power in 70's, 80's and partially 90's. Kildare won 2 Leinsters in 98 and 00 and contested all Ireland in 98. Monaghan didn't make an All-Ireland in recent history.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 732 - 05/07/2025 14:26:34 2623743 Link 0 |
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Ryan Kerry kerry4sam25 (Kerry) - Posts: 94 - 05/07/2025 15:07:07 2623752 Link 0 |
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How can you have Paudi Clifford down for an All Star as he has played very little championship football this year. Oisin Connaty (Armagh) has had a much better year. Ryan Mc Hugh has been taken off nearly every match and his performance so far does not warrant an All Star. Need to start again.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 774 - 05/07/2025 15:38:24 2623757 Link 0 |
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It's a bit premature picking All Stars when there are three huge matches to come? I think Meath and Tyrone will have something to say regarding your picks as well? Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 655 - 05/07/2025 16:15:14 2623763 Link 1 |
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Talk about a Kerry bias. Foley and Paudi Clifford at this stage. You must be joking. Probably about 50 genuine nominations and wouldn't have either yet in those 50.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 732 - 05/07/2025 18:51:57 2623791 Link 2 |
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Yeah, conaty, Matthew Thompson, Matt Costello all more deserving than paudie
richiepmurphy (Kilkenny) - Posts: 8 - 05/07/2025 20:34:40 2623805 Link 1 |
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Agreed. Actually didn't agree with Shane Ryan either. Expect Morgan or Patton to compete with Beggan if solid from now on. Rafferty was great until last Sundays collapse. McGeary and Caulfield in half backline. Sean Coffey and Ruairi Kinsella also doing really well and it's not just a Meath bias here but it's still too early. Semi and final will dictate alot. Murdock and Pat Havern were exceptional too.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 732 - 05/07/2025 20:55:28 2623811 Link 0 |
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Paudie can get in maybe not but still had good gaem in quarter so influential what's issue with folly though played every game has been strong for kerry in most games . Anti kerry there with that about foleh
Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 769 - 05/07/2025 20:57:46 2623812 Link 0 |
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Sam Mulroy will get 1. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5298 - 05/07/2025 21:30:52 2623821 Link 0 |
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Rory Beggan should win the keeper All Star.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4115 - 05/07/2025 22:03:00 2623823 Link 1 |
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I've looked into the future and the team is as follows shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 388 - 06/07/2025 10:57:58 2623873 Link 0 |
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MacKernan is another who's had a great year until he got injured
richiepmurphy (Kilkenny) - Posts: 8 - 06/07/2025 11:51:30 2623879 Link 0 |