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El Clasico 2020 Monaghan Vs Cavan

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Shocking result and performance.. I sadly feel this is the end of an era for this current Monaghan team..imagine what a Donegal or full strength Tyrone side would do to us.. flogging the same core of players year in year out in the league came back to haunt us today, ran out of steam and no strength in depth.. I have Said on here numerous times there is an unhealthy obsession with playing division 1 football.. fact of the Matter is given the small squad and age profile of our elder statesmen division 2 would be a much better place for us to rest players and rebuild...
Regarding John McEntee he knows exactly why he "suddenly" dropped out of the race to become manager last year and it had nothing to do with his weak back room team..
Banty is what Banty is... he described a 4 point last year as embarrassing Which he thought was going to set him up as the messiah today with beating Cavan but it sadly back fired..

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 279 - 31/10/2020 18:04:31    2303492

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Replying To mick2007:  "Shocking result and performance.. I sadly feel this is the end of an era for this current Monaghan team..imagine what a Donegal or full strength Tyrone side would do to us.. flogging the same core of players year in year out in the league came back to haunt us today, ran out of steam and no strength in depth.. I have Said on here numerous times there is an unhealthy obsession with playing division 1 football.. fact of the Matter is given the small squad and age profile of our elder statesmen division 2 would be a much better place for us to rest players and rebuild...
Regarding John McEntee he knows exactly why he "suddenly" dropped out of the race to become manager last year and it had nothing to do with his weak back room team..
Banty is what Banty is... he described a 4 point last year as embarrassing Which he thought was going to set him up as the messiah today with beating Cavan but it sadly back fired.."
Can you enlighten us on why J Mc Entee dropped out ?

222 (UK) - Posts: 535 - 31/10/2020 18:16:26    2303499

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Replying To mick2007:  "Shocking result and performance.. I sadly feel this is the end of an era for this current Monaghan team..imagine what a Donegal or full strength Tyrone side would do to us.. flogging the same core of players year in year out in the league came back to haunt us today, ran out of steam and no strength in depth.. I have Said on here numerous times there is an unhealthy obsession with playing division 1 football.. fact of the Matter is given the small squad and age profile of our elder statesmen division 2 would be a much better place for us to rest players and rebuild...
Regarding John McEntee he knows exactly why he "suddenly" dropped out of the race to become manager last year and it had nothing to do with his weak back room team..
Banty is what Banty is... he described a 4 point last year as embarrassing Which he thought was going to set him up as the messiah today with beating Cavan but it sadly back fired.."
Agree totally. We're in a straight jacket selection wise with our obsession for staying in division 1. The league is for trying out new players but we feel we cant afford to do that & stay up. Its all about the championship & the league is simply preparation for it. We won an Ulster title from division 3 remember.

Anyway latest wisdom from Banty acoording to hi after match comments on Hogan Stand.

"McEnaney disputed the notion that Monaghan had engaged in keep-ball tactics too early in the second half, stressing that their downfall lay in their unwillingness to maintain possession in their own half.

"We should have held onto the ball a lot longer in our defence. It was in the Cavan defence that we lost the ball when we went in there. They got us turned over and hit us on the counter-attack.

"We should have been calm enough to hold it on our own half of the field and draw Cavan out.


No lessons learned there.......Trumpesque !

Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 185 - 31/10/2020 18:22:25    2303501

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Look at the positives we are still in division 1. We have a great back up management team and a charismatic manager. Let's enjoy the weekend have a beer wine what ever you fancy have some nice grub maybe a flat white to finish. Sleep on it it will be better tomorrow roll on 2021. I am going to have few beers and some Tika misala and think of the good days.

bomber123 (Monaghan) - Posts: 63 - 31/10/2020 18:25:18    2303505

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Would a senior or intermediate team (corduff aside) in Monaghan seek the management of Banty?
Not a chance so why is he deemed good enough to manage our senior inter county team. As an organiser he is probably very good but a good logistics manager doesn't call the shots at inter county level. Agree with earlier post cant see what laverty has brought to the table despite working under Mickey Moran and Conleth Gilligan for 2 years.
How a county board overlooked Tony Mcentee despite his lack of backroom team is mindbloggin. Mcentee has enough irons in the fire to get a good backroom team if he had got a steer to believe he had a chance and probably was as dumbfounded as the rest of us that they would let banty at it again.
Banty got job on the strength of the ulster championship win with u17s but anyone that knows anything about football in this county know that Colin malone had the work done the previous year.

I thought when Malachy went the structures were in place to continue improving but sadly it doesn't seem they are.

XmanMonaghan1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 7 - 31/10/2020 18:43:06    2303509

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Replying To bomber123:  "Look at the positives we are still in division 1. We have a great back up management team and a charismatic manager. Let's enjoy the weekend have a beer wine what ever you fancy have some nice grub maybe a flat white to finish. Sleep on it it will be better tomorrow roll on 2021. I am going to have few beers and some Tika misala and think of the good days."
When are you due back in fella, anyway cheers here's to charisma

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 830 - 31/10/2020 18:43:18    2303510

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People on this forum are over reacting to today's defeat too much, Cavan were the better team today. Can't judge the manager or his backroom team on just one game, with a short and strange year this year they at least deserve another year at the helm to bring our boys on that extra step to possible glory and better days. Lots of new blood in the squad and more lads getting their chance unlike previous years of predictable lineups and tactics which is great to see

farneyfan123 (Monaghan) - Posts: 4 - 31/10/2020 18:58:48    2303522

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Replying To XmanMonaghan1:  "Would a senior or intermediate team (corduff aside) in Monaghan seek the management of Banty?
Not a chance so why is he deemed good enough to manage our senior inter county team. As an organiser he is probably very good but a good logistics manager doesn't call the shots at inter county level. Agree with earlier post cant see what laverty has brought to the table despite working under Mickey Moran and Conleth Gilligan for 2 years.
How a county board overlooked Tony Mcentee despite his lack of backroom team is mindbloggin. Mcentee has enough irons in the fire to get a good backroom team if he had got a steer to believe he had a chance and probably was as dumbfounded as the rest of us that they would let banty at it again.
Banty got job on the strength of the ulster championship win with u17s but anyone that knows anything about football in this county know that Colin malone had the work done the previous year.

I thought when Malachy went the structures were in place to continue improving but sadly it doesn't seem they are."
Exactly my thoughts. That Under 17 team was handed over to Banty ready made. Only for GAA rules Malone should have been managing that team. If this moron is left in charge of Senior team,a lot of young Monaghan talent will be wasted.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 138 - 31/10/2020 18:59:53    2303525

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Replying To seanie08:  "It was Down 2012 all over again only worse"
Down 2012 cost Eamon McEnaney his job. Same should happen here.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 494 - 31/10/2020 19:33:01    2303542

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Replying To farneyfan123:  "People on this forum are over reacting to today's defeat too much, Cavan were the better team today. Can't judge the manager or his backroom team on just one game, with a short and strange year this year they at least deserve another year at the helm to bring our boys on that extra step to possible glory and better days. Lots of new blood in the squad and more lads getting their chance unlike previous years of predictable lineups and tactics which is great to see"
How was Cavan the better team? We steam rolled them in the 1st half, they lived off scraps, we wasted 4 dead cert goal chances, cavan got a goal in the first half from a snap shot and then Cavan came out in the 2nd half and didn't go for it instead they sat back not wanting to win the game showing no adventure and being 7 points down and with 14 minutes to go they pushed up on our kickout and our goalie continuously kicked the ball out long to them giving them primary possession.

Read the above summary of the game and imagine Cavan were playing any other division 1 or 2 team and ask yourself how Cavan were the better team.

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 215 - 31/10/2020 19:38:17    2303545

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Replying To FootblockREF:  "Down 2012 cost Eamon McEnaney his job. Same should happen here."
Only against down they came out like a team possessed and put blood sweat and tears getting back into the game. Today a team came out and sat back for 15 minutes showing no hunger or ambitions, giving us the ball not wanting to win and we somehow loose.

Today was 10 times worse

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 215 - 31/10/2020 19:41:12    2303546

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Replying To Shelbourne1:  "Agree totally. We're in a straight jacket selection wise with our obsession for staying in division 1. The league is for trying out new players but we feel we cant afford to do that & stay up. Its all about the championship & the league is simply preparation for it. We won an Ulster title from division 3 remember.

Anyway latest wisdom from Banty acoording to hi after match comments on Hogan Stand.

"McEnaney disputed the notion that Monaghan had engaged in keep-ball tactics too early in the second half, stressing that their downfall lay in their unwillingness to maintain possession in their own half.

"We should have held onto the ball a lot longer in our defence. It was in the Cavan defence that we lost the ball when we went in there. They got us turned over and hit us on the counter-attack.

"We should have been calm enough to hold it on our own half of the field and draw Cavan out.


No lessons learned there.......Trumpesque !"
Bernard flynn said on twitter we were totally disjointed with no ambition in second half. Its hard to argue. Still don't understand how mgmt thought just holding onto possession for 35 minutes was the way to win the game. There was one play which was astonishing in second half. Mcmanus done brilliantly to win possession back deep in the cavan defence and instead of going offensive with the ball we went all the way back to beggan. Stuff like that had to give the cavan lads belief that monaghan had zero ambition to increase their lead so all they had to do was chip away which they did in the end. I dont think have ever seen those tactics at this level of gaelic football. Aside from all this when game was in melting pot cavan were the hungrier more energetic side. Forget the league this was the real test of whether this collection of monaghan players still had it. I agree with earlier poster it really is end of an era for a collection of players most tipping the 30 mark or over it. A meeting with tyrone or donegal would have been a massacre so best avoided particularly with the tactically inept mgmt team we now have.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1510 - 31/10/2020 19:48:46    2303550

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Banty did not get the job on the back of the u17 win.

moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 398 - 31/10/2020 19:56:15    2303554

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County board to blame .. players didn't deserve this infliction ..

stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 134 - 31/10/2020 19:57:28    2303558

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Replying To Shelbourne1:  "Agree totally. We're in a straight jacket selection wise with our obsession for staying in division 1. The league is for trying out new players but we feel we cant afford to do that & stay up. Its all about the championship & the league is simply preparation for it. We won an Ulster title from division 3 remember.

Anyway latest wisdom from Banty acoording to hi after match comments on Hogan Stand.

"McEnaney disputed the notion that Monaghan had engaged in keep-ball tactics too early in the second half, stressing that their downfall lay in their unwillingness to maintain possession in their own half.

"We should have held onto the ball a lot longer in our defence. It was in the Cavan defence that we lost the ball when we went in there. They got us turned over and hit us on the counter-attack.

"We should have been calm enough to hold it on our own half of the field and draw Cavan out.


No lessons learned there.......Trumpesque !"
Those quotes are extremely worrying, pure delusion

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 875 - 31/10/2020 20:02:12    2303562

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Replying To farneyfan123:  "People on this forum are over reacting to today's defeat too much, Cavan were the better team today. Can't judge the manager or his backroom team on just one game, with a short and strange year this year they at least deserve another year at the helm to bring our boys on that extra step to possible glory and better days. Lots of new blood in the squad and more lads getting their chance unlike previous years of predictable lineups and tactics which is great to see"
I have to agree here. The players on the pitch are all grown men and should have their own initiative that the game was slipping away from them. Cavan were hungrier and monaghan did not deserve a result from the game. Apart from the 4 missed goal chances monaghan were very average. There's a lot better players in the county than what's on that panel.

MonaghanMad2020 (Monaghan) - Posts: 3 - 31/10/2020 20:24:16    2303577

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Replying To monaghanmad:  "How was Cavan the better team? We steam rolled them in the 1st half, they lived off scraps, we wasted 4 dead cert goal chances, cavan got a goal in the first half from a snap shot and then Cavan came out in the 2nd half and didn't go for it instead they sat back not wanting to win the game showing no adventure and being 7 points down and with 14 minutes to go they pushed up on our kickout and our goalie continuously kicked the ball out long to them giving them primary possession.

Read the above summary of the game and imagine Cavan were playing any other division 1 or 2 team and ask yourself how Cavan were the better team."
If you think Cavan weren't the better team I hope you've the game recorded so you can watch it back! Monaghan were the better team in the first half but from the second half onwards Cavan were in control, more hungrier and forced us to play backward and lateral passes and turned over majority of our attacks. Can't judge the management or players on one game in this strange season and I'd have loved to have seen us get a run in the back door (If it we're there) after today's performance to right a few wrongs. Banty and co are at their early stages and in a normal year he'd have mastered a great victory over the Breffni today. They are on the right track to taking Monaghan to the next level and his use of new blood will work with the likes of Andrew Woods, Killian Lavelle, etc. showing well in any games they featured in. Breath of fresh air from the same old same old we've seen for years in Monaghan football

farneyfan123 (Monaghan) - Posts: 4 - 31/10/2020 20:33:41    2303580

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Replying To moodoo:  "Banty did not get the job on the back of the u17 win."
The question is how and why did he get/want/take that U17 job, answer that reveals a lot about the weakness and influence within the County Board

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 830 - 31/10/2020 20:35:10    2303581

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Replying To FootblockREF:  "Down 2012 cost Eamon McEnaney his job. Same should happen here."
You shouldent be to embarresed about losing to Down ,we only have a list of All Irelands and national honours the length of your arm, not forgetting Cavans 5 All Irelands and about 35 Ulsters .Tradition is really hard to beat you know, This is what championship is all about, one bite at it,thats what we in Down love about it, Now who knows we just might bite the dust next week,and we will give Fermanagh everyrespect,
I do think Monaghan took their eye off the ball for this one , and were thinking about an Ulster final ,Cardinal sin to say the least.
On should McEnaney get the boot , no i dont think so, i personally like is hunger and drive , and im sure theres no one in Monaghan more disapointed than him ,On another note i love the mural to Nudie ,It would be nice for other Counties to follow this , Well done to all involved

germac (Down) - Posts: 295 - 31/10/2020 20:40:42    2303582

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Also its a pity we didn't see more of stephen o hanlon today who looked a real threat in the first half and mccarthy who was v unlucky not to score the goal of the championship. In the post mcmanus World lads like that will have to be appreciated a bit more than they were today.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1510 - 31/10/2020 20:44:12    2303585

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