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National Hurling League 2014

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Downman if you think that Down,s loss was tough to take at least the winner was promoted and Wicklow did finish 2nd in the Div,Down were the only side to beat them.Spare a thought for the winner of the Div 2a final today.Antrim finished pointless in Div 1 B but beat Offaly in relegation playoff and stay up,if Kerry were to beat Carlow today they will have gone through Div 2a undefeated but still have to play Offaly who have already been beaten in relegation playoff to get promotion.How fair is that.The GAA don't give a damn about any County outside the so-called big 12.

pistelero (Wicklow) - Posts: 1715 - 06/04/2014 11:35:15    1570900


Let's hold our heads up high and be gracious in defeat. Very upset we didn't go up, but fair play to Wicklow. They're very plucky and got the job done. Last year we had a really bad league and went on and won the CRC. The same thing happened Meath last year in this league as well against London. The rules are the rules and we new that at the beginning of the campaign. To be honest this young team has over achieved so far this year. Lets be honest if we had Coyle, Magic and Michael Ennis it would have been a different outcome for sure. The injuries and retirements have been a passive blow. Let's hope our next trip to Meath is a better outcome.

portavogielad (Down) - Posts: 446 - 06/04/2014 14:11:46    1570939


Also missing C Bailie yesterday...don't know why... but he was Down's top scorer in the league. Maybe some of the injuries will be cured before the beginning of May and the start of the Ring campaign. BIG crowd of support needed in Meath for that game.

Co.Down1 (Down) - Posts: 163 - 06/04/2014 15:07:21    1570961


Remember the Feile was on this weekend so a lot of Gaels couldn't make Navan due to scheduling conflict myself included. Bad result, but by no means a horrible result - still a lot to play for this season. Congrats to Wicklow - remember they were unlucky to lose out to a solid London team 2012's CRC. By no means a bad result as Wicklow are a good team.

downhurlingman (Down) - Posts: 50 - 06/04/2014 16:12:39    1570984


Im sorry folks but that performance like our support was pitiful. This time the team all over was befeft of ideas, slow in thinking, second to every ball and didnt look fit to me and those around me and yet we only started to play with any heart after conway was red carded and in the end there was just two points in it. The better and hungrier team won. I dont know where we go from here as that is now another season in 2B to look forward to but the present set-up isnt working or maybe we just dont have the players. The trip to Meath in a few weeks will tell a tale I suppose

Tim_Burr (Down) - Posts: 460 - 07/04/2014 08:51:48    1571467


I'm not sure about the present set up not working, think the management have done a great job with a limited side. We have always had one or two forwards who have been of division one standard and have been the difference at this level. Can we honestly say that now? What with all the retirements and injuries? As great as magic and Braniff were and are, it's possibly a good thing not to have them, if only for the reason that others need to stand up and raise their game, it's more of a collective forward line sharing the scoring burden now. Of course they would improve us over the short term, but it would mask the harsh reality of our place in the hurling fraternity, we are a county with 3 senior hurling clubs, who have on several occasions, punched well above our weight against counties with an enviable pick of clubs. It will not be possible to try reach the next level until we can develop at least another 3 senior clubs from outside the ards. The signs are encouraging, over the medium term this is a realistic goal, especially with the hard work being done in places like Bredagh etc. imagine how good the talented, but inconsistent side of the mid 2000's would have been had the management had another 50 or so senior players to pick from. It makes a difference. We need to accept we are doing very well with our current lot, it was a good league campaign, and some players are developing nicely, lets just not lose sight of our longer term goals.

downwolf (Down) - Posts: 11 - 07/04/2014 10:51:27    1571563


In 2010 Down were in same division as Clare, Wexford, Laois, Carlow, Antrim and Westmeath and Kildare coming 6th(we beat antrim in casement). In 2011 Down were with Limerick, Clare, Laois, Antrim, Carlow, Kerry and Westmeath coming 5th.
The league was changed and we into 2A in 2012 with Carlow, Westmeath, Derry, Kerry, Wicklow and got relegated to 2B. Michael Hughes commented on this in a recent interview with the Irish News saying when he joined he played Clare Limerick and others and he wanted to get back there again but for 2015 we will be in 2B again. If everyone is saying the team is doing as well as expected then what exactly is going wrong?.

Tim_Burr (Down) - Posts: 460 - 07/04/2014 13:13:45    1571691


In 2009-2011 Down did play in a strong division, but when they came up against established teams, ie Clare, Limerick, Wexford and Offally, they did not get within 10 points of any of them, home or away. It's a bit counter productive to play these types of games. I do agree that they are still able to compete with the likes of Carlow, Kerry and Westmeath and should be playing at a slightly higher level for competitions and development of younger hurlers sake. But any ambitions to play the top sides are pipe dreams for the foreseeable, even when we had Brendan McGourty, Magic, Gabriel Clarke, Kieran Courtney and Braniff (all of whom are still young enough to play, but can't due to injuries, retirements, or commitments elsewhere) we struggled at that level, what hope does an inexperienced side still developing a new style of play have. We are in transition, but it won't be a case of just finding a couple of new stars to take on the scoring burden and get us back where we thought we were, it will be a long process involving a serious look at structures and development. This is an issue of a lack of the main raw material for any side: senior hurlers to pick from, NOT of a lack of effort or sub standard coaching.

downwolf (Down) - Posts: 11 - 07/04/2014 14:16:11    1571731


Tim Burr, you raise a point about where Down hurlers were plying their trade in 2010 and if Michael Hughes needs to understand why we are where we are then all he has to do is look in the mirror.

We simply didn't have the hurlers to replace a lot of the lads who kept that team in that company for so long, we are where we are and there isn't any better, dedicated hurlers sitting at home to replace them/

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2491 - 08/04/2014 10:29:55    1572131