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Minor Hurling Final

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Both clubs should be ashamed. The county board even more so

What about the 13 other lads on the minor teams who didn't get to play their big game??

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1799 - 18/10/2015 15:12:07    1799782

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Clonkill by far the better team in senior final
Raharney have no cup minor or senior
What was the big fuss over there minor players
dident stand ooutthe goal raharney got would never have
came but for that short puckout and then it was immediately
cancelled out by clonkill.
A lot of people turned up for the minor game including
Myself only to be told by county board officials that the club's cancelled the game themselves
No minor for 2015. Like I said earlier it unsettled raharney more than clonkill they should have played the minor

rogerdodger (Westmeath) - Posts: 228 - 18/10/2015 17:45:01    1799836

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Hi, just bk from the carlow final where a similar situation happened. Mount leinster rangers were playing in both. 1 player on minor scored 4 goals in their senior semi win 2 weeks ago. 4 goals! He started the match. So today he player in the minor - 45 mins as they were winning well, didnt start the senior game but came in as a blod sub/sub with 20 to go. Mlr also brought in another minor who played whole minor game. He got 15 of senior. So what happens? Mlr loose by 7. The club was aware of both finals being scheduled the same day and didnt look for a change. If it was? V likely both minors would have started senior game and influenced the game.. I think! Just an instance of what happens elsewhere..

old yellar (None) - Posts: 2624 - 18/10/2015 19:27:19    1799882

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Its about time someone stood up to the county board and showed that players deserve a small bit of respect. Why should any player be expected to play two games in the one day. I can't see why the clubs should take any blame for this farce at all, there's very little reason as to why the minor game could not be refixed to a different day, it just meant the county board couldn't justify charging €15 for one game.

LakemenAbu (Westmeath) - Posts: 134 - 18/10/2015 19:41:01    1799889

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the clubs are to blame, because they voted in the people who make the decisions!
how many people from either club on the hurling committee, minor board or county board?

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1799 - 18/10/2015 21:16:12    1799933

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I wouldn't always see eye to eye with County Board but on this occasion I would have to say they are correct. A a County Board meeting earlier in the year, around March I think, the question was asked what would happen if a Club had teams in both Senior and Minor Finals. The County Board Chairman was very clear, concise and decisive in his reply when he stated, 'without exception, the Minor and Senior finals would be played on the same day'. With this decision made in plenty of time for clubs to be aware the situation, there is no excuse for the clubs. It is a shame that the other minor players of both clubs did not get their day out in a county final and those making the decisions in the Clubs are the ones to blame, not the county board.

tazz (Westmeath) - Posts: 52 - 19/10/2015 10:17:51    1800011

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I agree with Tazz on this one both clubs to blame and should be ashamed of themselves.Both should be thrown out and will be fined and prob be banned from next years competition. A disgrace the carry on from these 2 top clubs and now raharney have nothing to show for this year

nearlymadeit (Westmeath) - Posts: 82 - 19/10/2015 11:49:58    1800071

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I think we will see the two beaten semi finalist's re-instated as finalists, probably big fines imposed, and suspension's for clubs executive's, and the two clubs banned from next years minor championship,
I,ve a feeling this will be croke parks directive to the county board as per rules.
County board have a lot of backing from club's over there stance yesterday, not too many clubs in Westmeath would have complained , castledaly/Rosemount prime example from week before.

rogerdodger (Westmeath) - Posts: 228 - 19/10/2015 13:07:02    1800157

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Valley unfortunately the clubs can only vote in the people that's put in front of them. The problem is the people being put to the clubs already have too strong of links to the people who are already on the board. Plus there is a serious lack of fresh volunteers coming forward who have the time to give the commitment to these committees.

Chops (Westmeath) - Posts: 775 - 19/10/2015 13:15:29    1800163

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Would beaten semi finalists really want to play?

westmeath2015 (Westmeath) - Posts: 153 - 19/10/2015 17:55:54    1800315

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The county board got this on right. The clubs wanted it this way and its only right that the minor final gets this respect as well. I think everyone except Raharney agree that the county final day is county final day and the idea of both minor and senior on the same day is fantastic. Now if we have to wait and see who is in the final before we decide well then that is a farce.
Chairman of both minor and senior board got this one right. LAST WEEK castledaly got on with it and they had 2 finals so why would hurling get there way and for what reason.
Lets face it Raharney were not thinking of all the other minor lads when they decided the 2 doles were more important to be senior players than there own grade simple as that. I hope that the minor final will be replayed only because the other 30 or 40 lads who denied there chance because of a few players and the clubs.
Fair play where fair play is due i think all clubs outside of the 2 clubs involved will back the county board on this one.

Djkray (Dublin) - Posts: 152 - 19/10/2015 18:13:25    1800321

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Castledaly/Rosemount enquired about having their game changed but the county board said that because Castledaly only had one player on both panels and because he was not a regular starter there was no need to change the fixture. The hurling is very different because there were players affected on both sides. Why should a young minor player be forced to choose which game he wanted to play in? If he has put in the hard training all year with the seniors he is going to represent them and if it is his last year in minor he will want to represent them. Either change the rules and not allow minors play senior or have a bit of respect for the players. No wonder more and more young people are giving up the GAA, players do not matter. The two clubs were wrong, they should have taken a serious stnace and not shown up for either game.

LakemenAbu (Westmeath) - Posts: 134 - 19/10/2015 18:19:40    1800324

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Lakeman, where is your statistic that more and more young players are giving up playing? There has always been a fall off in players participating from minor level onwards in every sport, players develop other interests, become lazier, go to college, socialising becomes more important, always has been the case, utter nonsense to suggest that players are leaving the games in big numbers because of officialdom, there has never been a greater participation rate in gaelic games than there was in 2014 when last statistics were available. The county board were in an extremely awkward position on this issue, damned either way, opinion pretty divided even on this forum, players are extremely well catered for within the association, their welfare is paramount but at least one of the clubs in yesterday's decider had been critical publicly on this issue in Archerstown last December at convention and this may have been issue for county board, hopefully final does go ahead this weekend.

kawaifive0 (Westmeath) - Posts: 112 - 19/10/2015 19:10:37    1800342

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Any point in any voting at convention, it was voted then. We give out when rules are not enforced, we give out when they are implented. We have a year when players are trying to get of on technacalities. Not just on this issue We have to get back to where rules are rules.

madbull (Westmeath) - Posts: 194 - 19/10/2015 19:35:17    1800359

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OK I have no statistics but what they did was very unfair on the young players and you can't really blame the clubs for doing what they did. I think in this case common sense should have prevailed. They should have included in the rule that if one team was involved in both finals then a different game should be the curtain raiser. I still think the clubs were correct to do what they did. They asked for the game to be changed and had a very genuine excuse. Rules are there to be broken. I too hope that the minors get to play their game this weekend, there really isn't any reason why it shouldn't be.

LakemenAbu (Westmeath) - Posts: 134 - 19/10/2015 21:04:15    1800400

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U-16 premier hurling final fixed for Saturday u-21 semis fixed for Sunday clonkill are out in both raharney in one , u-21 so won't happen this weekend and I think
Clonkill out in Leinster club following weekend so surely if they would not contest final yesterday they are hardly going to togg next week or week after, and referring to
Earlier post about the two semi finalist's wanting to play if it is directed from croke park as per rule book they will have no choice and anyway why wouldn't two great
Clubs such as the Gaels and castletown want to play, I'm sure if you ask them they would love to contest it. And do you know why raharney did not go above the county
boards heads and go to croker its because they would be told that Minors play there own grade first.

rogerdodger (Westmeath) - Posts: 228 - 19/10/2015 21:21:54    1800409

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U-16 premier hurling final fixed for Saturday u-21 semis fixed for Sunday clonkill are out in both raharney in one , u-21 so won't happen this weekend and I think
Clonkill out in Leinster club following weekend so surely if they would not contest final yesterday they are hardly going to togg next week or week after, and referring to
Earlier post about the two semi finalist's wanting to play if it is directed from croke park as per rule book they will have no choice and anyway why wouldn't two great
Clubs such as the Gaels and castletown want to play, I'm sure if you ask them they would love to contest it. And do you know why raharney did not go above the county
boards heads and go to croker its because they would be told that Minors play there own grade first.

rogerdodger (Westmeath) - Posts: 228 - 19/10/2015 21:22:13    1800410

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I would be sure neither LLG or Castletown would play any final as far as I can see a huge majority of hurling people in the county want the game refixed.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 860 - 19/10/2015 21:35:21    1800421

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Both clonkill and raharney received an email from co board executive on Saturday stating that they would both be disqualified from minor if they did not field on Sunday
Did the clubs put this forward to the rest of there minor panels to see if they would play ?
According to raharney secretary in examiner today he wanted resignations from county board, and claims they won't be dictated too, if ever a club were looking for trouble this is it.
He also stated they will play minor final on Monday next bank holiday
Now killucan are fixed u-21 Saturday, raharney are fixed u-21 sunday and they want to play minor Monday ,by accounts the doles play on all 3 teams where is his player welfare here.
And as for player welfare it all boiled down to raharney thinking they could not win senior without the doles.
Clubs should have been in touch with senior CCC who look after minor hurling and football for postponement but instead sent there letter to county board, club officers obviously did not no the proper channels to go to.

rogerdodger (Westmeath) - Posts: 228 - 20/10/2015 10:49:38    1800489

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what was plunkets punishment last year when they didn't field in the senior championship? their excuse was also player welfare as they were asked to play 2 matches within 48hrs. not the same age group but surely the same rules for everyone?

GAA_Analyst (Westmeath) - Posts: 34 - 20/10/2015 12:54:06    1800563

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