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Oh oh Fermanagh is now definitely the bookmaker's prediction for relegation and what a calamity to finish off McGrath's non achievement reign!

FL Division 2 round 4 results
Kildare 4-14 Fermanagh 0-14
Clare 2-11 Cork 0-09
Meath 1-13 Galway 0-15
Derry 1-07 Down 1-15

Allianz Football League Roinn 2 update
Pos Team P W D L F A Pts
1 Kildare 4 3 0 1 89 62 6
2 Galway 4 2 1 1 67 54 5
3 Clare 4 2 1 1 59 53 5
4 Down 4 2 0 2 55 60 4
5 Meath 4 2 0 2 70 66 4
6 Cork 4 1 1 2 51 57 3
7 Derry 4 1 1 2 51 73 3
8 Fermanagh 4 1 0 3 52 69 2

YesterdaysMan (Fermanagh) - Posts: 732 - 05/03/2017 17:28:03    1963950

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Just back from newbridge and I wish I hadn't bothered
How have we gone from one of the leanest defences to being so porous on a few weeks
So many players looking heavy legged as well
Serious lessons to be learned and sole searching to be done
Still I'd rather keep learning in div 2 and not div 3 !!
The bizArre results elsewhere in this division keep coming too

AnBuachaillGlas (Fermanagh) - Posts: 287 - 05/03/2017 20:40:01    1964168

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Don't think McCluskey should be starting games now. Bring him on with 10/15 minutes to go now to see games out. Wouldn't put the blame entirely at Snows door for the 4 goals but the first one he should have been more commanding. Although where was the marking. Players failing to follow the runners and the sweeper not being where he was supposed to be had massive impacts on the game.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 05/03/2017 20:45:07    1964176

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Wouldn't be questioning Snow as a shot stopper but he doesn't command the square and his kickouts were poor today very poor. Agree too the clucker today was made to look too slight and too slow . KildAre ran through with ease and no big hits going in at all. We switched off at every set piece with no man standing in front of kicker to prevent quick one. Micky Jones stood out in defence but handed them a goal with silly handpasa coming out. It was the entire defensive effort that amazed me today... it just wasn't there: no runners tracked, no pressure on the man making the final pass, sweeper totally ineffective, no runners to give Snow kick out options contrast Kildare backs who Went centre before the lockout pushed their man then sprinted to the wing to collect the ball and worked effectively all day long. Have to mention Breen too I mean is the man injured or what as he was off the pace of the gAme all day long and a shadow of his normal industrious self... though I could say the same of a half dozen more

AnBuachaillGlas (Fermanagh) - Posts: 287 - 05/03/2017 21:08:07    1964195

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Yes as I said earlier the Fermanagh defence was woeful. The half backs have a lot of explaining to do and veteran McCluskey should be someone that is used from the bench than placed on the starting team. Snow did make a mess of his responsibilities and fell substantially short of what is expected of a good goalkeeper and the team now needs to look at a new netkeeper into the future. Courtney, although promising is still a bit raw in experience and needs to come out of position to support h is fellow players. What has happened to the sweepers? The McCuskers are becoming history and it's time for a fresh players and fresh thinking. Ryan Jones is too card prone and the team cannot afford to have players of his quality benched. What annoyed most Fermanagh supporters at Newbridge today was the fact that McGrath look bewildered and could'n't offer any effective plan to address the shortcomings of his team. In the next outing, whether Fermanagh beat Clare or not, it is now immaterial as the current Fermanagh setup as we know it has to change.

erneboy (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1320 - 05/03/2017 21:59:49    1964231

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A very bad day at the office, I have had time to think clearly about the game since getting home. Firstly Kildare are a good team,who are on the up and look set for promotion,they played a nice direct style,with great movement and pace.
After a decent start by Fermanagh,things just went down hill fast. Team looked tired, 5 seconds behind the Kildare players,moved the ball slowly and a lot of lateral play,making it very easy for Kildare to defend.(the overnight stays havnt went well,coincidence)
For the last couple of games,Fermanagh have struggled to deal with teams running at them and the theme followed today as Kildare plans advanced unopposed deep into Fermanaghs defence.
The lack of physicality was again evident,especially around the middle(Galway,Cork and Kildare have exposed this well now),the loss of O Callaghan has been felt in that regard.
With all defeats questions will be asked of management,some rightly so, James McMahon may be better utilised in the 6 role as previous, I know being treated gently but perhaps Daryl Keenan ready for start to try get better service to forwards,while Snows kickout and lack of dominance in the box was evident in the second goal.
Some questioning if Quigley,Corrigan and Courtney can play,aim of the game is to score,those three can get the scores so why not? I know game changed but main role of forwards is to score dont forget.Although Corrigan didnt look 100% today and was initially named on the bench.

Tactics and decisions can be pointed at management but fact that Kildare scored TWO goals from quick free kicks today is solely the responsibility of the players,lapses in concentration and too busy remonstrating with referees at inter county level its not acceptable.

Only Barry Mulrone(kicked 4 great points) and Che Cullen played well,too many going through motions at times

Lots to ponder ahead of the Clare game,they will look at this game as chance to secure place in Division 2,especially on back of win again Cork, After todays results Fermanagh are facing the steepest of hills.

macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 922 - 05/03/2017 22:36:17    1964249

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Replying To AnBuachaillGlas:  "Wouldn't be questioning Snow as a shot stopper but he doesn't command the square and his kickouts were poor today very poor. Agree too the clucker today was made to look too slight and too slow . KildAre ran through with ease and no big hits going in at all. We switched off at every set piece with no man standing in front of kicker to prevent quick one. Micky Jones stood out in defence but handed them a goal with silly handpasa coming out. It was the entire defensive effort that amazed me today... it just wasn't there: no runners tracked, no pressure on the man making the final pass, sweeper totally ineffective, no runners to give Snow kick out options contrast Kildare backs who Went centre before the lockout pushed their man then sprinted to the wing to collect the ball and worked effectively all day long. Have to mention Breen too I mean is the man injured or what as he was off the pace of the gAme all day long and a shadow of his normal industrious self... though I could say the same of a half dozen more"
Plenty of short options but Snow never took them. Not quick enough to see them.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 05/03/2017 22:37:16    1964251

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Replying To erneboy:  "Yes as I said earlier the Fermanagh defence was woeful. The half backs have a lot of explaining to do and veteran McCluskey should be someone that is used from the bench than placed on the starting team. Snow did make a mess of his responsibilities and fell substantially short of what is expected of a good goalkeeper and the team now needs to look at a new netkeeper into the future. Courtney, although promising is still a bit raw in experience and needs to come out of position to support h is fellow players. What has happened to the sweepers? The McCuskers are becoming history and it's time for a fresh players and fresh thinking. Ryan Jones is too card prone and the team cannot afford to have players of his quality benched. What annoyed most Fermanagh supporters at Newbridge today was the fact that McGrath look bewildered and could'n't offer any effective plan to address the shortcomings of his team. In the next outing, whether Fermanagh beat Clare or not, it is now immaterial as the current Fermanagh setup as we know it has to change."
Paul McC has looked lost for a while but Declan McC still has a lot to offer. I agree that McGrath took a long time to shore things up today and the inertia was worrying. We carried Hyde for 35 mins and I had to ask around if he touched the ball. R Jones is easential and if he picks up cards I don't care as it shows he's up for it is like to have Daren half a dozen men booked thru stopping runners today. R jones was never comfortable in midfield he's a centre forward period . Today we had no runners ... no Donnelly Breen or Jones bursting thru ... ahh I could lament all night .... I think McGrath could be over coaching them as they looked tired and off the pace a bit like the cork match

AnBuachaillGlas (Fermanagh) - Posts: 287 - 05/03/2017 22:39:07    1964253

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A very bad day at the office, I have had time to think clearly about the game since getting home. Firstly Kildare are a good team,who are on the up and look set for promotion,they played a nice direct style,with great movement and pace.
After a decent start by Fermanagh,things just went down hill fast. Team looked tired, 5 seconds behind the Kildare players,moved the ball slowly and a lot of lateral play,making it very easy for Kildare to defend.(the overnight stays havnt went well,coincidence)
For the last couple of games,Fermanagh have struggled to deal with teams running at them and the theme followed today as Kildare plans advanced unopposed deep into Fermanaghs defence.
The lack of physicality was again evident,especially around the middle(Galway,Cork and Kildare have exposed this well now),the loss of O Callaghan has been felt in that regard.
With all defeats questions will be asked of management,some rightly so, James McMahon may be better utilised in the 6 role as previous, I know being treated gently but perhaps Daryl Keenan ready for start to try get better service to forwards,while Snows kickout and lack of dominance in the box was evident in the second goal.
Some questioning if Quigley,Corrigan and Courtney can play,aim of the game is to score,those three can get the scores so why not? I know game changed but main role of forwards is to score dont forget.Although Corrigan didnt look 100% today and was initially named on the bench.

Tactics and decisions can be pointed at management but fact that Kildare scored TWO goals from quick free kicks today is solely the responsibility of the players,lapses in concentration and too busy remonstrating with referees at inter county level its not acceptable.

Only Barry Mulrone(kicked 4 great points) and Che Cullen played well,too many going through motions at times

Lots to ponder ahead of the Clare game,they will look at this game as chance to secure place in Division 2,especially on back of win again Cork, After todays results Fermanagh are facing the steepest of hills.

macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 922 - 05/03/2017 22:46:39    1964259

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A very bad day at the office, I have had time to think clearly about the game since getting home. Firstly Kildare are a good team,who are on the up and look set for promotion,they played a nice direct style,with great movement and pace.
After a decent start by Fermanagh,things just went down hill fast. Team looked tired, 5 seconds behind the Kildare players,moved the ball slowly and a lot of lateral play,making it very easy for Kildare to defend.(the overnight stays havnt went well,coincidence)
For the last couple of games,Fermanagh have struggled to deal with teams running at them and the theme followed today as Kildare plans advanced unopposed deep into Fermanaghs defence.
The lack of physicality was again evident,especially around the middle(Galway,Cork and Kildare have exposed this well now),the loss of O Callaghan has been felt in that regard.
With all defeats questions will be asked of management,some rightly so, James McMahon may be better utilised in the 6 role as previous, I know being treated gently but perhaps Daryl Keenan ready for start to try get better service to forwards,while Snows kickout and lack of dominance in the box was evident in the second goal.
Some questioning if Quigley,Corrigan and Courtney can play,aim of the game is to score,those three can get the scores so why not? I know game changed but main role of forwards is to score dont forget.Although Corrigan didnt look 100% today and was initially named on the bench.

Tactics and decisions can be pointed at management but fact that Kildare scored TWO goals from quick free kicks today is solely the responsibility of the players,lapses in concentration and too busy remonstrating with referees at inter county level its not acceptable.

Only Barry Mulrone(kicked 4 great points) and Che Cullen played well,too many going through motions at times

Lots to ponder ahead of the Clare game,they will look at this game as chance to secure place in Division 2,especially on back of win again Cork, After todays results Fermanagh are facing the steepest of hills.

macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 922 - 05/03/2017 23:35:55    1964284

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If our goalkeeping is erratic, our defence porous, midfield far from dominant and attack toothless, what will managements response be? My guess is that he will start at least 12 of last weeks starting 15.
Is there no chance for the other squad members apart from the squad of favourites, who are selected regardless of performance, within the main squad?
I would ask you to suggest is there any players not currently getting a fair chance either within the remainder of the county squad or even outside of the squad.

inallfairness (Fermanagh) - Posts: 25 - 07/03/2017 11:50:22    1964970

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Replying To inallfairness:  "If our goalkeeping is erratic, our defence porous, midfield far from dominant and attack toothless, what will managements response be? My guess is that he will start at least 12 of last weeks starting 15.
Is there no chance for the other squad members apart from the squad of favourites, who are selected regardless of performance, within the main squad?
I would ask you to suggest is there any players not currently getting a fair chance either within the remainder of the county squad or even outside of the squad."
I don't think the team needs a lot of changes. For me the starting xv should be

1.) Teacy
2.) Jones
3.) Cullen
4.) McManus
5.) McCusker
6.) McMahon
7.) Breen
8.) Donnelly
9.) Jones
10.) Mulrone
11.) Lyons
12.) Cullen
13.) Corrigan
14.) Quigley
15.) McCusker / Courtney

Should play two players inside. Corrigan should always be inside. If McCusker starts leave Quigley inside, if not bring quigley out to the 40 and let him spray ball inside. When Quigley is inside Lyons can take on the role of playmaker.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 07/03/2017 12:18:55    1964990

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Replying To inallfairness:  "If our goalkeeping is erratic, our defence porous, midfield far from dominant and attack toothless, what will managements response be? My guess is that he will start at least 12 of last weeks starting 15.
Is there no chance for the other squad members apart from the squad of favourites, who are selected regardless of performance, within the main squad?
I would ask you to suggest is there any players not currently getting a fair chance either within the remainder of the county squad or even outside of the squad."
You are correct in your assertion that Fermanagh's "goalkeeping is erratic, their defence porous, midfield far from dominant and attack toothless".

However, when you go on to say but what can management do about the issues you raise you are missing the point, The point being that that is what management is contracted and highly paid to do is to MANAGE. Blaming the adequateness of his players is a rather pathetic excuse rather than the manager taking responsibility for being unable to cultivate a game plan to address the team's shortcomings then should seriously step aside to allow for someone who can devise such game plans.

Look at Donegal and how a young manager turned around the team's performance when faced with problems never mind the shadow of All Ireland winning manager, Jim McGuinness hanging over him. Obviously, it is not the right time in the year for Fermanagh to bring on board a new manager but many now see that a younger man with a fresh approach is probably the only way to address a positive future for Fermanagh..

gaalltheway (Fermanagh) - Posts: 769 - 07/03/2017 12:38:18    1964994

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Replying To gotmilk:  "I don't think the team needs a lot of changes. For me the starting xv should be

1.) Teacy
2.) Jones
3.) Cullen
4.) McManus
5.) McCusker
6.) McMahon
7.) Breen
8.) Donnelly
9.) Jones
10.) Mulrone
11.) Lyons
12.) Cullen
13.) Corrigan
14.) Quigley
15.) McCusker / Courtney

Should play two players inside. Corrigan should always be inside. If McCusker starts leave Quigley inside, if not bring quigley out to the 40 and let him spray ball inside. When Quigley is inside Lyons can take on the role of playmaker."
I cannot believe that you think the team does not need many changes. The shuffling around of Sean and Tomas will not cure the defensive frailties nor the losing battle in the middle third. Our full forward line failed to score from play last Sunday, shouldn't other players get a chance as we do not need to carry two free kick specialists if they offer little from play.

inallfairness (Fermanagh) - Posts: 25 - 07/03/2017 14:37:03    1965039

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Replying To gaalltheway:  "You are correct in your assertion that Fermanagh's "goalkeeping is erratic, their defence porous, midfield far from dominant and attack toothless".

However, when you go on to say but what can management do about the issues you raise you are missing the point, The point being that that is what management is contracted and highly paid to do is to MANAGE. Blaming the adequateness of his players is a rather pathetic excuse rather than the manager taking responsibility for being unable to cultivate a game plan to address the team's shortcomings then should seriously step aside to allow for someone who can devise such game plans.

Look at Donegal and how a young manager turned around the team's performance when faced with problems never mind the shadow of All Ireland winning manager, Jim McGuinness hanging over him. Obviously, it is not the right time in the year for Fermanagh to bring on board a new manager but many now see that a younger man with a fresh approach is probably the only way to address a positive future for Fermanagh.."
You have got me a bit wrong. I did not ask "what can management do" rather I said what will they do.
I agree with you that managers are paid to manage but currently management gives us the same few players playing the same system whether we win or lose.
Given that the current management should see out the current year I am wondering will they actually change anything. My fear is that next day we will get basically the same.

inallfairness (Fermanagh) - Posts: 25 - 07/03/2017 14:58:10    1965051

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Replying To inallfairness:  "I cannot believe that you think the team does not need many changes. The shuffling around of Sean and Tomas will not cure the defensive frailties nor the losing battle in the middle third. Our full forward line failed to score from play last Sunday, shouldn't other players get a chance as we do not need to carry two free kick specialists if they offer little from play."
They still scored 14 points last week, that would be enough to win a number of games. For me the problem was that the sweeper wasn't sitting in position. To many times Fermanagh were left one on one inside their own 21. The kickout strategy was poor on Sunday too. Kickouts were taking to long, this was evident in the Galway game as well. When we had no one in the middle of the park a number of players were making the runs into space but the kick wasn't been taken in time and as a result it was been forced to go long.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 07/03/2017 15:29:25    1965076

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They still scored 14 points last week, that would be enough to win a number of games. For me the problem was that the sweeper wasn't sitting in position. To many times Fermanagh were left one on one inside their own 21. The kickout strategy was poor on Sunday too. Kickouts were taking to long, this was evident in the Galway game as well. When we had no one in the middle of the park a number of players were making the runs into space but the kick wasn't been taken in time and as a result it was been forced to go long.
(Fermanagh) - Posts:4082 - 07/03/2017 15:29:25


Who are you fooling gotmilk talking about scoring 14pts? You are taking things out of context as the truth is that Kildare took their foot of the pedal as they were safely home and dry and weren't too worried about letting Fermanagh getting a few more points than they really deserved. Fermanagh, irrespective if they are relegated or not, needs a new leader. The biggest problem will be if relegated then they will be playing against a lower standard teams and that would be a backward step. As for team selection their are a few things that could be done. First of all Snow has to be replaced...no ifs...no buts...it has to happen. Secondly, Ryan Jones has to be brought in the forward zone supporting Quigley, Corrigan and McCusker (Paul). Although, Paul can have patchy performances he is skillful. although Courtney is useful he isn't experienced enough and waits around too much for the ball and should be out supporting his teamates. I would bring Mulrone into the backline to support Mickey Jones as he is sharper and more cleverer in this zone than say McCusker (Declan). However, Declan can be speedy, a random scorer and so useful as a sweeper but he hasn't impressed of late. Midfield remains a problem as Eoin Donnelly doesn't have as equal but Breen could be the best option at the moment in the no.9 jersey as he is strong and gutsy. McCluskey, although very experienced, is not a starter and should be introduced from the bench when needed.

BigToeJoe (Fermanagh) - Posts: 134 - 07/03/2017 16:48:40    1965133

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Replying To gotmilk:  "They still scored 14 points last week, that would be enough to win a number of games. For me the problem was that the sweeper wasn't sitting in position. To many times Fermanagh were left one on one inside their own 21. The kickout strategy was poor on Sunday too. Kickouts were taking to long, this was evident in the Galway game as well. When we had no one in the middle of the park a number of players were making the runs into space but the kick wasn't been taken in time and as a result it was been forced to go long."
They scored 14 points last week.
5 from frees.
9 from play.
8 from midfield/defenders.
I think we have serious problems. I would like to see other players get a chance. Surely it can't get any worse.

inallfairness (Fermanagh) - Posts: 25 - 07/03/2017 16:58:37    1965137

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Replying To BigToeJoe:  "They still scored 14 points last week, that would be enough to win a number of games. For me the problem was that the sweeper wasn't sitting in position. To many times Fermanagh were left one on one inside their own 21. The kickout strategy was poor on Sunday too. Kickouts were taking to long, this was evident in the Galway game as well. When we had no one in the middle of the park a number of players were making the runs into space but the kick wasn't been taken in time and as a result it was been forced to go long.
(Fermanagh) - Posts:4082 - 07/03/2017 15:29:25


Who are you fooling gotmilk talking about scoring 14pts? You are taking things out of context as the truth is that Kildare took their foot of the pedal as they were safely home and dry and weren't too worried about letting Fermanagh getting a few more points than they really deserved. Fermanagh, irrespective if they are relegated or not, needs a new leader. The biggest problem will be if relegated then they will be playing against a lower standard teams and that would be a backward step. As for team selection their are a few things that could be done. First of all Snow has to be replaced...no ifs...no buts...it has to happen. Secondly, Ryan Jones has to be brought in the forward zone supporting Quigley, Corrigan and McCusker (Paul). Although, Paul can have patchy performances he is skillful. although Courtney is useful he isn't experienced enough and waits around too much for the ball and should be out supporting his teamates. I would bring Mulrone into the backline to support Mickey Jones as he is sharper and more cleverer in this zone than say McCusker (Declan). However, Declan can be speedy, a random scorer and so useful as a sweeper but he hasn't impressed of late. Midfield remains a problem as Eoin Donnelly doesn't have as equal but Breen could be the best option at the moment in the no.9 jersey as he is strong and gutsy. McCluskey, although very experienced, is not a starter and should be introduced from the bench when needed."
I agree about Snow. While he is a good shot stopper his kickouts are poor and hes not great under the highball.
Taking Jones out of midfield is a case of robbing peter to pay paul. Aidan Breen is not big enough to play midfield, this was evident in the Galway game. What Fermanagh need in the half forward line is a playmaker. Quigley can play that role, Ryan Lyons is another option on the 40. Someone who can pick a pass, bring others into play and take a score when needed.
Re clucker I agree with that sentiment. I think he still has a lot to offer the team but I think he would be better suited to coming off the bench in a tight game. He can hold on to the ball and he provide leadership to tiring bodies and minds.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 07/03/2017 17:23:34    1965149

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Good players yesterday don't just become bad players today... there were 8 or 10 lads playing well within themselves in the last two games. I looked at the bench on Sunday and saw a long line of little fellas when what we needed was another big strong runner to come on . Hyde came on but. We switched off for 3 goals and a m jones blunder pass gifted the 1st goal. This is easily fixed. We don't need whole sale changes but players to remain switched on for 70mins. We need a game plan b when plan a is counteracted. We needed to run in numbers at Kildare and stop passing thru them we needed to stop runners crudely but effectively 50+ yards out but we didn't. The solution is easy but implementing well that's another thing
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another poster mentioned the link between two overnight stays and two performances that just didn't do us any justice. I hope we give a huge backlash against Clare otherwise it's div3 in 2018

AnBuachaillGlas (Fermanagh) - Posts: 287 - 07/03/2017 22:06:03    1965288

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