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Replying To CTGAA10: "Bookies don't usually get it wrong..however I think odds on is very generous on limerick..I said a long time back that they were the one team I wanted out of 2021 c/ship..I fear the pace of their 6 forwards and if they had taken goal chances they'd have wrapped match up quite easily in the 70 mins.now I think cork will lose a sub after today because Kingston has to start..it will be interesting to see who loses out..on our side I fear the loss of peter Casey is huge..our most consistent forward all this year..everyone will expect Mul to start however I'd love to see kiely go for the unexpected and do something no one expects..has the making of a cracker and to be a complete shoot out..ive a feeling that one of the big 3 counties might end up with more people hoping they'll win..what do people think?" I'd love to see Pat Ryan get a start, he's a guy I've a hell of a lot of good time for. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2344 - 08/08/2021 22:03:49 2368963 Link
Great game to watch. If Cork's plan was to wear Kilkenny down by getting them to push up on the short puck outs then it worked! Noticeably different approach in second half when space started to open up and legs to tire, Still, if you were on the red team the shot passing could not be good for cardiac comfort! At times it looked almost suicidal with players being smothered up on the left wing but if there was a plan then it paid huge dividends. Wouldn't fancy trying same against Limerick mind you. Was most enjoyable semi final for neutral in many a year. Hats off to both teams. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3566 - 08/08/2021 22:40:14 2368973 Link
Replying To Bon: "I'd love to see Pat Ryan get a start, he's a guy I've a hell of a lot of good time for." 15 championship appearances to date ..... and all as a substitute! johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 08/08/2021 23:31:03 2368981 Link
Great to watch the Sunday game. Cork really impressive at times today. Should have won it easier but to win after that hammer blow at ft was impressive. Amazing to see the cats run out of steam so much. They looked an old team at full time. Can't believe how unimaginative they were also. Cork literally ran the legs off them. Very impressive subs bench for cork and slowly but surely they're stumbling onto their best team. Great to have cork back truth be told. Hurling needs them. However as a Limerick man if they could postpone that Renaissance for another two weeks it would be great. Limerick did enough. Always felt we have the weapons to cope with Waterford unless they get a real run at you. Limerick did more than enough with plenty of guys having enough to improve on. Casey will be a big loss. Could they get him off. Certainly doesn't look good but as commented on Sunday game if a guy hits you in the guts your natural instinct is to bring head forward. Kinda felt we'd sailed so close to the wind on enough times that we'd get caught at some point on a soft one. We would also want to be careful about any appeal. Fantastic if possible but you can't get too emotionally caught up in it. Waterford in 17 definitely lost a lot of pregame time in it. Focus on the 15 and 26 that are Available and certainly use it as a squad goal but don't get lost in it. So who do you start ? Obvious candidate is mulcahy but recent form suggests he may not have the legs. Personally feel he's better used as an impact sub my self. Pat Ryan is also a better impact sub I think. His speed really stretches tiring backs. Boylan or Reidy as auxiliary workers in half forward line? Gillane n Flanagan will be the two left up top anyway. Or could they spring a surprise and start Cathal o Neill. Perhaps less of a risk that as a sub. If he goes well great. If not you haven't wasted a sub who can impact. That free no15 has a very specific worker role. It'll be interesting to see how they play it. As a Limerick man it's a wonderful spot to be in. But we'll need to play to our full potential. Cork too dangerous. Now to find a ticket Hail Mary…. Sugary_tae (Limerick) - Posts: 70 - 09/08/2021 00:13:41 2368993 Link
Replying To Rockies: "Limerick odds on with bookies . Boylesports have Limerick 1/4. Cork 11/4. Cork going in as major underdogs! We'll give it a lash!" Am I the only that would never, ever, take the slightest bit of notice of bookies odds. The fact is Cork are flying with a good team and a massive bench. LK were in the same position in '18, yet every bookie was favouring Galway. This will go down to the wire. Great to see two Munster teams involved and may the best team win. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4496 - 09/08/2021 08:31:56 2369008 Link
Loved the story of the Kilkenny supporter turning up at Kellie Harrington's family home over the weekend and dropping off a big bag of spuds as a Thank You. Class Irish style Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1066 - 09/08/2021 09:26:00 2369012 Link
Is the handpass gone in hurling now or what's the story? I hate the way they all throw the sliotar now and refs let it go. gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 639 - 09/08/2021 10:02:29 2369024 Link
Fair play to both teams. They gave us a brilliant Sunday afternoon's entertainment. Fast-paced, some quality scores, plenty tension and late drama. It ticked most of the boxes. I felt KK were on top for most of the 1st half, but they were fairly wasteful. Cork were reliant on Horgan at that stage and he kept it tight. As someone else mentioned, there was a noticeable drop-off in the pressure KK were able to apply up the pitch in the 2nd half, which was only natural. The extra space better suited Cork's gameplan of working the ball up. KK tried to play more direct, but it wasn't as effective. In saying that, they did brilliantly to claw it back and take the game to extra-time. Horgan's missed 65 would have sealed it and I'd a feeling they'd be regretting it. In fairness to them, they put it behind them and kept doing what was working well. Kingston was immense when he came in and Cadogan also made a big difference. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2328 - 09/08/2021 10:50:52 2369040 Link
Great exciting match - even if it tailed off in last 5 minutes or so, but a fantastic contest. Congrats to Cork and hard luck Kilkenny. It would be hard to see anyone from this match beating Limerick but it should be a cracking final. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 09/08/2021 11:14:26 2369050 Link
Replying To gahfan: "Is the handpass gone in hurling now or what's the story? I hate the way they all throw the sliotar now and refs let it go." Something that keeps the game flowing will likely be hard to remove. The hanpdass keeps the balls moving no doubt about that. I have said it before that its a futile exercise expecting refs to know the difference between a throw and this type of handpass. When the ref blows for one in a game he gets called out for inconsistency. If he blows for them all the game would grind to a halt. The game would still be great maybe better if this type of handpass was eradicated. A hard sell though. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 708 - 09/08/2021 11:16:10 2369051 Link
A great game yesterday from Cork and it should be a great AI Final. Limerick will be odds on but is that a dangerous thing going in against a traditional side? Cork won in 99 with a young team against a fancied KK side. With 40,000 allowed in, I hope the GAA give each county 50 percent of the tickets each. And if there is a curtain raiser, factor in those fans too. They'll all be wanted and I hope the GAA make this a fan's AI. Plus it would be safer rather than dragging Gaels from all over the country, with Covid etc. Finally, we all hear about it becoming a squad game nowadays.....the players that finish are as important as the ones that start. If the President meets and greets the players on the red carpet this year, I think they should bring the whole match day squad out to meet him TippRed (Tipperary) - Posts: 42 - 09/08/2021 11:18:42 2369052 Link
Eoin Murphy Kilkenny being hailed as the greatest goalkeeper of all time on Hoganstand this morning. Was he not poor for the Cork goal yesterday or is that being harsh. I thought O'Connor's shot from the angle he struck it might have been saved. endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2428 - 09/08/2021 12:02:51 2369067 Link
Replying To ZUL10: "Something that keeps the game flowing will likely be hard to remove. The hanpdass keeps the balls moving no doubt about that. I have said it before that its a futile exercise expecting refs to know the difference between a throw and this type of handpass. When the ref blows for one in a game he gets called out for inconsistency. If he blows for them all the game would grind to a halt. The game would still be great maybe better if this type of handpass was eradicated. A hard sell though." Maybe it's time to do away with the handpass entirely. You have a hurley for a reason and if you can't get a stick to the ball then maybe you should lose it. It's a conversation that needs to be had. The throws over the weekend were outrageous. Some were overhead flings. Feargal Horgan was letting steps go aswell. Robbie O Flynn took about 7 getting around a player in the first half. He didn't need to,he was already away. Jack o Connor under the stand took about 7 or 8. If Colin Fennelly was playing he would have been in his element. Catch ,turn, 12 steps, goal. Limerick and Waterford are as bad. Some of Limericks handpasses have to be throws because the speed of transfer is unreal. I would think that the final is not the place to start enforcing rules that have been let go all season though. bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 09/08/2021 12:12:04 2369071 Link
Replying To endgame: "Eoin Murphy Kilkenny being hailed as the greatest goalkeeper of all time on Hoganstand this morning. Was he not poor for the Cork goal yesterday or is that being harsh. I thought O'Connor's shot from the angle he struck it might have been saved." It would have been some save if hed kept it out. I remember in 18 v Limerick he was absolutely brilliant too but KK just came up short on that day too. For me, Damien Fitzhenry is the greatest keeper I've seen. But Eoin Murphy isn't far behind at the moment and he still probably has a few years in him TippRed (Tipperary) - Posts: 42 - 09/08/2021 12:51:03 2369084 Link
Hard to know about doing away with the handpass as it is a skill in itself. You're right, in recent times it does look more like a throw. A real proper handpass, maybe one of the best ever seen was DJ Carey to Jimmy Coogan who then goaled v Tipp in 02 semi final. Whatever about a handpass to a teammate at least the GAA did away with the handpassed goal many years ago. Defence or goalie had very little opportunity to block those TippRed (Tipperary) - Posts: 42 - 09/08/2021 12:58:25 2369086 Link
Replying To johnocarroll17: "15 championship appearances to date ..... and all as a substitute!" He's long overdue a start, he's such a huge talent. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2344 - 09/08/2021 13:08:15 2369091 Link
Anyone else think that there was an awful amount of over-carrying left uncalled yesterday? There were a good few times when Cork (who I was rooting for) seemed to get away with carrying 7 or 8 steps with ball in hand, especially in the scoring zone. It was very noticeable early in the second half when they went 4 behind. The ref seemed to play the occasion and not the incident. Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1215 - 09/08/2021 13:18:20 2369094 Link
Replying To Eddie the Exile: "Anyone else think that there was an awful amount of over-carrying left uncalled yesterday? There were a good few times when Cork (who I was rooting for) seemed to get away with carrying 7 or 8 steps with ball in hand, especially in the scoring zone. It was very noticeable early in the second half when they went 4 behind. The ref seemed to play the occasion and not the incident." cork got a couple of soft frees in that period too. old school GAA reffing, build yourself into the narrative of the match Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 09/08/2021 13:52:52 2369106 Link
Replying To endgame: "Eoin Murphy Kilkenny being hailed as the greatest goalkeeper of all time on Hoganstand this morning. Was he not poor for the Cork goal yesterday or is that being harsh. I thought O'Connor's shot from the angle he struck it might have been saved." I said a couple of years ago he was well on the way to being the best (of not already the best) but his performances the last couple of years haven't reached the same heights and anyone who has watched hurling will know that. He has started taking a lot of risks and could very easily have cost Kk a Leinster final place this year. Don't get me wrong he's a top class keeper but the last two seasons he def hasn't scaled the same height he had. On another note I find it funny that people are saying what a great game it was yesterday. Cork played into Kk hands for the majority of the game with ridiculous playing the ball around the backs. On a side note i would like to know where the posters are that ridiculed me saying Cork would reach the all Ireland this year before the league started! :-D tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/08/2021 14:16:47 2369121 Link
Replying To bloodyban: "Maybe it's time to do away with the handpass entirely. You have a hurley for a reason and if you can't get a stick to the ball then maybe you should lose it. It's a conversation that needs to be had. The throws over the weekend were outrageous. Some were overhead flings. Feargal Horgan was letting steps go aswell. Robbie O Flynn took about 7 getting around a player in the first half. He didn't need to,he was already away. Jack o Connor under the stand took about 7 or 8. If Colin Fennelly was playing he would have been in his element. Catch ,turn, 12 steps, goal. Limerick and Waterford are as bad. Some of Limericks handpasses have to be throws because the speed of transfer is unreal. I would think that the final is not the place to start enforcing rules that have been let go all season though." Getting rid of hand pass isn't the answer as it's much easier to prevent a hurley from being swung than handpassing. When a player gets pinned in there only option is a hand pass as an opposition player can get between your left and right side and stop you hitting the ball. If the hand pass is gone it will lead to more rucks and we don't need them. Enforce the rule that's there but as you say not at this stage of the year. updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 899 - 09/08/2021 14:26:47 2369124 Link