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No complaints about the result. Kilkenny looked out on their feet from a long way out and I was amazed we even brought it to extra time. The pace of O'connor and Kingston off the bench crucified our backs. I thought we were very loose v Wexford in the leinster SF and got away with it. It was repeated here but Horgan, O'connor, Kingston etc were able to punish us more than Wexford could.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1256 - 09/08/2021 22:54:39    2369354

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Replying To midlands:  "I think you're talking about Sean McLoughlin, a big corner forward that scored with quite a few handpasses back in the early 1960s when such goals were allowed. At least fellas used to really handpass the ball then, often throwing away the hurley, tossing the ball up with one hand and palming it with the other. It wasn't pretty to look at, but at least there was "a clear striking action", which is seldom seen nowadays. By the way, the Maloughney you refer to was Tom Maloughney, another big man but not noted for handpassing goals. He played alongside McLoughlin for a number of years and sadly passed away earlier this year."
Maybe Pat Moloughney from the late 70s early 80s?

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 980 - 09/08/2021 23:44:19    2369362

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First of all this isn't a dig but if I'm correct, no leinster team beat a munster team in this years championship and all with the exception of Antrim were knocked out by Munster teams on their first appearance in the All Ireland series. That surely must be a first.
This may drive the argument to scrap the provincial championships which I don't agree with. These things regularly go in phases. Like Kk in hurling and the current Dublin team in football, people thinks it'll happen forever but the tide will always turn again.
There's so many incidences in this years cship that could have significantly altered how the cship went - Tipps penalty against Clare, Wexford's Hawkeye point, Gillanes red card incident, Dublins Covid issues, Laois almost beating Waterford, Kelly's late goal effort against Cork.
We are quick to write off teams but the margains are so small.
Unfortunately I do worry that the final could be a non event but I also worry Cork are getting ready to take over hurling! What a back room team they've put together also. Their style frustrated the life out of me yesterday but they're def going in the right direction and it's not that long ago that limericks style was also frustrating to watch but they stuck with it and have perfected it now.
I don't think it has been a vintage cship but hurling is still alive and well

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/08/2021 23:52:43    2369363

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "Thanks for that,I was at many of those 1960s games in Munster involving Tipp,there was a Tipp V cork game in the gaelic grounds in Limerick in the '60s and a huge crowd turned up outside the gates without tickets,the crowd broke down the gates and proceeded to stream across the field as the match was about to start or started...they climbed up into the stand and took the vacant seats of supporters who were unable to gain entry with all the commotion outside.
Then in Limerick again..the very warm Sunday when the hawkers ran out of minerals and some enterprising hawkers filled the empty bottles with water and sold them....it made headlines at the time...imagine selling water!....how times have changed.I was there on both those occasions."
That was 1961 Munster final between Cork and Tipperary in Limerick when over 60,000 turned up. Game itself was an ill tempered affair with many fights. Ring was accused of striking Tom Moloughney in that game. If that game was played nowadays, half the field would have been sent off. Incidentally, Tipp won by 3-6 to 0-7

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/08/2021 01:42:31    2369378

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Cyril Cusack, great actor too."
Never knew Uncle Peter from Glenroe hurled. You live and you learn

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1066 - 10/08/2021 09:09:34    2369395

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "Thanks for that,I was at many of those 1960s games in Munster involving Tipp,there was a Tipp V cork game in the gaelic grounds in Limerick in the '60s and a huge crowd turned up outside the gates without tickets,the crowd broke down the gates and proceeded to stream across the field as the match was about to start or started...they climbed up into the stand and took the vacant seats of supporters who were unable to gain entry with all the commotion outside.
Then in Limerick again..the very warm Sunday when the hawkers ran out of minerals and some enterprising hawkers filled the empty bottles with water and sold them....it made headlines at the time...imagine selling water!....how times have changed.I was there on both those occasions."
I was there on the day in 1968, when they were selling that water out of lemonade bottles. Babs Keating was Centre Forward for Tipp and he destroyed Cork.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4496 - 10/08/2021 09:38:32    2369399

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Cyril Cusack, great actor too."
Spare a thought for Tommy Murphy in '73 and Ned Rea burying him in the back net every time came into the Tipperary square and no free given, as what Rea was doing was perfectly within the rules, which of course were changed shortly after. When Reddan, Scanlan, Pat Nolan, Seamus Horgan and Ollie Walsh were in their prime the goalie had to take man and ball in the square in the heat of battle. Did you ever see the shot of Ned Power soaring in the square to grasp the flying sloiter amid the flailing hurleys of Ring, Barry, Flynn and Barron. Them were the days when goalies were men.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4496 - 10/08/2021 09:46:47    2369401

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Replying To Rockies:  "That was 1961 Munster final between Cork and Tipperary in Limerick when over 60,000 turned up. Game itself was an ill tempered affair with many fights. Ring was accused of striking Tom Moloughney in that game. If that game was played nowadays, half the field would have been sent off. Incidentally, Tipp won by 3-6 to 0-7"
My Da was Tipp but was no fan of Moloughney after the 1961 final with Dublin when Lar got sent off. Not behind the wall when it came to dishing it out!

He also said that Ring did get a bit more prone to hitting back as he got on in years, but that it was almost invariably self defence! And again, that was from Tipp perspective!!!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3569 - 10/08/2021 09:58:09    2369404

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I was there on the day in 1968, when they were selling that water out of lemonade bottles. Babs Keating was Centre Forward for Tipp and he destroyed Cork."
Great memories,the game of hurling has changed completely since those days and even the hurley and sliothar has changed not to mind the gps and diet and conditioning.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 10/08/2021 10:54:06    2369429

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Replying To Rockies:  "That was 1961 Munster final between Cork and Tipperary in Limerick when over 60,000 turned up. Game itself was an ill tempered affair with many fights. Ring was accused of striking Tom Moloughney in that game. If that game was played nowadays, half the field would have been sent off. Incidentally, Tipp won by 3-6 to 0-7"
Not sure if it was that match or not where Ring had a "set to" with Matt Hassett I think it was, of Toomevara and Tipp fame,Christy jumped up and swung the hurley on Hassett who was on the ground and he moved his body out of the way of the hurley just in time.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 10/08/2021 11:05:05    2369437

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Spare a thought for Tommy Murphy in '73 and Ned Rea burying him in the back net every time came into the Tipperary square and no free given, as what Rea was doing was perfectly within the rules, which of course were changed shortly after. When Reddan, Scanlan, Pat Nolan, Seamus Horgan and Ollie Walsh were in their prime the goalie had to take man and ball in the square in the heat of battle. Did you ever see the shot of Ned Power soaring in the square to grasp the flying sloiter amid the flailing hurleys of Ring, Barry, Flynn and Barron. Them were the days when goalies were men."
It was teige Murphy from roscrea I think you mean.... I seen that.. He was flattened two or three times into the back of the goals in that game

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 803 - 10/08/2021 11:11:02    2369443

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Spare a thought for Tommy Murphy in '73 and Ned Rea burying him in the back net every time came into the Tipperary square and no free given, as what Rea was doing was perfectly within the rules, which of course were changed shortly after. When Reddan, Scanlan, Pat Nolan, Seamus Horgan and Ollie Walsh were in their prime the goalie had to take man and ball in the square in the heat of battle. Did you ever see the shot of Ned Power soaring in the square to grasp the flying sloiter amid the flailing hurleys of Ring, Barry, Flynn and Barron. Them were the days when goalies were men."
Tbh I think you still have to be more than a little bit cracked to throw yourself in front of a hard ball travelling at over 100mph wearing only a helmet and jock strap for protection even these days!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15964 - 10/08/2021 11:12:58    2369444

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Spare a thought for Tommy Murphy in '73 and Ned Rea burying him in the back net every time came into the Tipperary square and no free given, as what Rea was doing was perfectly within the rules, which of course were changed shortly after. When Reddan, Scanlan, Pat Nolan, Seamus Horgan and Ollie Walsh were in their prime the goalie had to take man and ball in the square in the heat of battle. Did you ever see the shot of Ned Power soaring in the square to grasp the flying sloiter amid the flailing hurleys of Ring, Barry, Flynn and Barron. Them were the days when goalies were men."
Tbh I think you still have to be more than a little bit cracked to throw yourself in front of a hard ball travelling at over 100mph wearing only a helmet and jock strap for protection even these days!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15964 - 10/08/2021 11:13:15    2369446

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "My Da was Tipp but was no fan of Moloughney after the 1961 final with Dublin when Lar got sent off. Not behind the wall when it came to dishing it out!

He also said that Ring did get a bit more prone to hitting back as he got on in years, but that it was almost invariably self defence! And again, that was from Tipp perspective!!!"
1961 final Tipp vs Dublin..Tom Ryan of Tipp hit Dessie Ferguson. Lar Foley retaliated and he and Ryan got sent off. Dublin should have won that game. Des Foley dominated midfield and Achille Boothman gave John Doyle a tour of Croke Park. Liam Devaney won it for Tipp after moving to centre back!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/08/2021 11:20:03    2369450

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I was there on the day in 1968, when they were selling that water out of lemonade bottles. Babs Keating was Centre Forward for Tipp and he destroyed Cork."
That Tipp team circa 1968 was embroiled in controversy. Wexford beat them in All Ireland and Cork beat them in Munster final in '69.Tipp had a rough national league final against Kilkenny in 1968 when Ollie Walsh and John Flanagan got lengthy suspensions.Kilkenny and Tipp were at loggerheads after 1967 final. Mackey McKenna was reputed to be afraid of going into the square, as Pa Dillon was sharpening his Hurley.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/08/2021 11:38:30    2369465

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Shades of the 1980's as Galway Minors face KK in Semi, the former having a Leinster C';ship.
Cork straight into Final after a Munster C'ship. Put Galway into one of these provinces to be fair.
Again Galway accommodate the retention of the 2 provinces which are great traditions to be fair.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1741 - 10/08/2021 11:59:15    2369474

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "Not sure if it was that match or not where Ring had a "set to" with Matt Hassett I think it was, of Toomevara and Tipp fame,Christy jumped up and swung the hurley on Hassett who was on the ground and he moved his body out of the way of the hurley just in time."
That was the 1960 Munster final which Tipp won by 4-13 to 4-11. Matt Hassett marked Christy Ring and held him to 3 points, although Christy setup goals for others.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/08/2021 12:00:24    2369476

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A statistical look at how Cork saw off Kilkenny in extra time last Sunday:

https://limerickhurling.blogspot.com/2021/08/ireland-semi-final-extra-time-stats.html

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 10/08/2021 13:41:28    2369514

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Replying To suckvalleypaddy:  "Shades of the 1980's as Galway Minors face KK in Semi, the former having a Leinster C';ship.
Cork straight into Final after a Munster C'ship. Put Galway into one of these provinces to be fair.
Again Galway accommodate the retention of the 2 provinces which are great traditions to be fair."
Cork underage looking good now, with Under 20's and minors doing well. The future looks bright, and people already extrapolate Limerick and Cork dominance for rest of decade! We will see. Am looking forward to All Ireland final . We go in as underdogs .

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/08/2021 13:56:51    2369524

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Replying To Viking66:  "Tbh I think you still have to be more than a little bit cracked to throw yourself in front of a hard ball travelling at over 100mph wearing only a helmet and jock strap for protection even these days!"
When watching the game with people from other countries that is what they say. These goal tenders are crazy.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3063 - 10/08/2021 14:18:37    2369536

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