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Replying To daveboy: "Tipp had a goal disallowed in 19 semi that was brought back by hawkeye for a point for wexford as Brian Hogan had caught the ball over the crossbar. Umpire never signalled a point. It was communicated to the ref that Hawley had registered a point so hawkeye is in use for this purpose." Ya Tipp had a goal awarded against Waterford by an umpire on the opposite post that never went near the line. What do we actually want ? Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3227 - 06/07/2021 15:05:58 2356993 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Incorrect on Hawkeye. It does judge whether a ball has cleared the width of the crossbar fully. Has been the case for last 4-5 years to deal with that exact scenario." Its called trailing edge sensing used as an option in all sensing and imaging technology. Or leading edge can be used. Both can be used. Using the leading edge to active the signal and the trailing edge to shut off the signal. Fairly basic technology for some time now. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3227 - 06/07/2021 15:06:10 2356994 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Antrim play Laois this weekend coming. Loser is relegated to the Joe Mcdonagh. Winner goes into qualifier draw with Waterford and the 4 losing semi finalists. 2 will get byes to the 2nd qualifying round and the other 4 will play eachother in the 1st qualifying round." I think you are wrong there Viking66. The winner of the Antrim v Laois game will play in Rd 1 of the Qualifiers and can only be drawn v one of either Waterford, Cork or Clare. Also, they cannot get a bye. The only teams who can possibly get a bye to Rd 2 are one of either Galway or Wexford and one of either Waterford, Cork or Clare. You would then be left with the 2 winners of the Rd 1 games plus the two teams who received the byes and I assume the 2 pairings will be drawn randomly, with the winners of those going forward to the Quarter finals to play the two runners-up from the Provincial finals. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 06/07/2021 15:09:23 2356996 Link
Replying To Canuck: "Ya Tipp had a goal awarded against Waterford by an umpire on the opposite post that never went near the line. What do we actually want ?" Remember the ghost goal all too well. No Hawkeye in place that day was there? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17840 - 06/07/2021 15:35:16 2357008 Link
Replying To AfricanGael: "I think you are wrong there Viking66. The winner of the Antrim v Laois game will play in Rd 1 of the Qualifiers and can only be drawn v one of either Waterford, Cork or Clare. Also, they cannot get a bye. The only teams who can possibly get a bye to Rd 2 are one of either Galway or Wexford and one of either Waterford, Cork or Clare. You would then be left with the 2 winners of the Rd 1 games plus the two teams who received the byes and I assume the 2 pairings will be drawn randomly, with the winners of those going forward to the Quarter finals to play the two runners-up from the Provincial finals. " Are you sure? Wouldnt that be unfair? They will have won 1 championship game the same as Wexford and Clare and the other 3 teams havent won any Championship game yet. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17840 - 06/07/2021 15:37:08 2357009 Link
Replying To Viking66: " Replying To AfricanGael: "<b>I think you are wrong there Viking66. The winner of the Antrim v Laois game will play in Rd 1 of the Qualifiers and can only be drawn v one of either Waterford, Cork or Clare. Also, they cannot get a bye. The only teams who can possibly get a bye to Rd 2 are one of either Galway or Wexford and one of either Waterford, Cork or Clare. You would then be left with the 2 winners of the Rd 1 games plus the two teams who received the byes and I assume the 2 pairings will be drawn randomly, with the winners of those going forward to the Quarter finals to play the two runners-up from the Provincial finals. </b>"</div>Are you sure? Wouldnt that be unfair? They will have won 1 championship game the same as Wexford and Clare and the other 3 teams havent won any Championship game yet." I'm 100%, right now the only team absolutely certain to play in Round 1 of the qualifiers is the winner of Antrim v Laois. All the other teams involved, Galway, Wexford, Waterford, Cork and Clare have a chance of getting a bye to Rd 2. One out of ( Galway and Wexford) and one out of (Waterford, Cork and Clare) will get a bye. Unfair, yes. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 06/07/2021 15:54:59 2357021 Link
Replying To Viking66: " Replying To AfricanGael: "<b>I think you are wrong there Viking66. The winner of the Antrim v Laois game will play in Rd 1 of the Qualifiers and can only be drawn v one of either Waterford, Cork or Clare. Also, they cannot get a bye. The only teams who can possibly get a bye to Rd 2 are one of either Galway or Wexford and one of either Waterford, Cork or Clare. You would then be left with the 2 winners of the Rd 1 games plus the two teams who received the byes and I assume the 2 pairings will be drawn randomly, with the winners of those going forward to the Quarter finals to play the two runners-up from the Provincial finals. </b>"</div>Are you sure? Wouldnt that be unfair? They will have won 1 championship game the same as Wexford and Clare and the other 3 teams havent won any Championship game yet." I think Viking66 is the fact they lost their first round games. So did Waterford. However it still seems unfair as the only reason in Munster you have first round games is a pull from the hat. After all if you go straight to a semi you are already reward with only one game to the final. Every team should be treated the same if they lose their first game irrespective if it is a semi or first round and all go into the draw for the qualifiers hat. If there are an uneven number of teams first out gets the byes. It is unfair that Laois and Antrim have to play a preliminary round this weekend. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3227 - 06/07/2021 15:55:58 2357023 Link
Replying To Canuck: "Ya Tipp had a goal awarded against Waterford by an umpire on the opposite post that never went near the line. What do we actually want ?" That was shocking stuff. These Mickey mouse officiating decisions have huge consequences. Waterford got shafted that day. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2632 - 06/07/2021 17:09:52 2357053 Link
Replying To Canuck: "Ya Tipp had a goal awarded against Waterford by an umpire on the opposite post that never went near the line. What do we actually want ?" With your understanding of Hawkeye could it have proven it wasn't a goal! Interesting that Tipp were the beneficiaries on both controversial goals! Could referees be a little in awe of the traditional successful teams. I remember Limerick being a point ahead of Cork many years ago and the referee played on and on until Cork scored a point and he immediately blew up,it was before the advent of the announced extra time.John Fenton scored that miraculous goal in the replay! ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 06/07/2021 21:08:28 2357137 Link
That's a massive shock in Leinster under 20s. Kildare have had some decent underage teams and gave Dublin a good run for it a few years back. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3879 - 06/07/2021 21:33:36 2357157 Link
Replying To ONdeDITCH: "With your understanding of Hawkeye could it have proven it wasn't a goal! Interesting that Tipp were the beneficiaries on both controversial goals! Could referees be a little in awe of the traditional successful teams. I remember Limerick being a point ahead of Cork many years ago and the referee played on and on until Cork scored a point and he immediately blew up,it was before the advent of the announced extra time.John Fenton scored that miraculous goal in the replay!" No surprise that happened when you remember who the referee was - John Moore from Waterford. Did you know - Limerick NEVER WON a championship game with him in the middle. And - more tellingly - Cork NEVER LOST a championship game with him in charge. johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 06/07/2021 23:07:29 2357193 Link
Replying To ONdeDITCH: "With your understanding of Hawkeye could it have proven it wasn't a goal! Interesting that Tipp were the beneficiaries on both controversial goals! Could referees be a little in awe of the traditional successful teams. I remember Limerick being a point ahead of Cork many years ago and the referee played on and on until Cork scored a point and he immediately blew up,it was before the advent of the announced extra time.John Fenton scored that miraculous goal in the replay!" In all honesty I don't know what hawkeye has got but this is basic technology and programming. If it was just sensor technology the plain of detection would never have been activated and if it was the leading edge activation only but never crossed the line it could be programmed not to shut off. Sensors are used with imaging all the time to activate capturing a frame. Really as soon as the ball has a chip I believe hawkeye and umpires will be obsolete for counting scores. Hurleys or hands can be filtered out by using the correct receiver. (inductive or capacitive ) Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3227 - 06/07/2021 23:27:15 2357203 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "That's a massive shock in Leinster under 20s. Kildare have had some decent underage teams and gave Dublin a good run for it a few years back." Watched it. We were terrible. Kildare had a big team that hurled well we looked small and poorly prepared. Shocking wides and turnovers. Very disappointing performance. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17840 - 06/07/2021 23:30:05 2357207 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "That's a massive shock in Leinster under 20s. Kildare have had some decent underage teams and gave Dublin a good run for it a few years back." Fantastic result. In fairness not a major surprise to anyone involved in underage hurling in Kildare. Lot of good work going into it! Well fine to all, brilliant stuff! St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1734 - 07/07/2021 07:49:18 2357220 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "That's a massive shock in Leinster under 20s. Kildare have had some decent underage teams and gave Dublin a good run for it a few years back." Superb win. Liam Dempsey who scored 12 points for them including the equaliser and winner is a class act. His dad Joe was one of the best Hurlers who ever played in Kildare. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2632 - 07/07/2021 08:52:06 2357226 Link
There is supposed to be massive effort in underage hurling in Wexford too! We are constantly told there is - we are clearly being conned. Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 07/07/2021 09:23:21 2357235 Link
Replying To Bon: "Superb win. Liam Dempsey who scored 12 points for them including the equaliser and winner is a class act. His dad Joe was one of the best Hurlers who ever played in Kildare." Liamo scored 14 points. It's probably a massive shock to everyone outside of Kildare hurling circles. But the work that has been going in is huge. Playing numbers are growing years on year and no shortage of talent coming through at the moment. Well done to all involved. Hopefully our minors can beat Laois tonight too. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 07/07/2021 10:13:51 2357256 Link
Well done Kildare. Has to be up there with one of the biggest shocks of the last decade. Great fo hurling. Keep it going lads ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 07/07/2021 10:33:53 2357266 Link
Replying To Canuck: "Ya Tipp had a goal awarded against Waterford by an umpire on the opposite post that never went near the line. What do we actually want ?" We want big decisions that affect matches to be right. We want to help officials. That 2019 semi with tipp v wexford was the first time a referee got help from the stands during a match that I can remember. And it wasn't haweye I'm referring to. It was incident where a potential square ball was debated and the message clearly came from upstairs. Essentially they got the decisions right. The fact it came 24 hours after a blatant 65 was not given in the dying seconds to the reigning AI champions to force ET was the key reason for this. What I find v strange is that it hasn't been used since that I can see. Maybe it should have been used last weekend. That decision in the GG in limerick you refer to would have been overturned after 30 secs of review. Basically how long it takes to take the ensuing puckout daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1198 - 07/07/2021 11:29:33 2357303 Link
Replying To daytona11: "Liamo scored 14 points. It's probably a massive shock to everyone outside of Kildare hurling circles. But the work that has been going in is huge. Playing numbers are growing years on year and no shortage of talent coming through at the moment. Well done to all involved. Hopefully our minors can beat Laois tonight too." Apologies that should of course have been 14. Super stuff. When you look at the money in Kildare hurling compared to football and you see the reulsts of Kildare Hurling the past few years its some achievement. Serious work and coaching going on within the county, long may it continue . Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2632 - 07/07/2021 13:20:16 2357356 Link