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Football is finished because Dublin is now dominant and have done 5 in a row and going for a possible 6. How was this issue not raised when the Kerry minors did 5 in a row. How did county managers motivate their teams to turn up for training and go out to play against this Kerry team they had no chance of beating. How did the small counties encourage their teams to keep playing against a team with a bigger population and more money at their disposal. The fact is they did and teams did keep trying and eventually Kerry were beaten. The problem here is that Kerry thought that this hugely successful minor team would progress to senior level and topple the Dubs and the Kerry dominance begin again. How many Kerry people on here would have an issue if it was Kerry going for 6 in a row??

Winning is a bit like respect, it has to be earned not demanded.

Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 38 - 07/12/2020 12:58:18    2319737

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Croke Park is no bigger than most pitches from what I've read, ok the Athletic grounds may be a bit narrower, I think it's the stands etc that makes it look so different and the surface is obviously better than most pitches.
No reason mayo can't win this year if things go well for them, as good as Dublin are they are not unbeatable,
the lack of supporters might help Mayo they might feel less pressure, really looking forward to this one now.
It will pass the time till Christmas."
well you read wrong!

mayomanic (Mayo) - Posts: 81 - 07/12/2020 13:20:19    2319745

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Replying To Liffeylad:  "Football is finished because Dublin is now dominant and have done 5 in a row and going for a possible 6. How was this issue not raised when the Kerry minors did 5 in a row. How did county managers motivate their teams to turn up for training and go out to play against this Kerry team they had no chance of beating. How did the small counties encourage their teams to keep playing against a team with a bigger population and more money at their disposal. The fact is they did and teams did keep trying and eventually Kerry were beaten. The problem here is that Kerry thought that this hugely successful minor team would progress to senior level and topple the Dubs and the Kerry dominance begin again. How many Kerry people on here would have an issue if it was Kerry going for 6 in a row??

Winning is a bit like respect, it has to be earned not demanded."
I would say Kerry would have no issue liffey lad but not too many Kerry posts here saying football is finished. On the contrary Genius Gerry from Kerry believes things can change next year as do I. You are on about respect and yes respect has to be earned but you don't get respect by making foundless comments here. I'm from Kerry also and don't believe football is finished but you seem to have an issue with Kerry. 5 in a row in minor is great but it's different as most minors as alot of minor will never make senior grade. When Kerry were successful in the late 70 s and early 80s folk said football is finished but I did nt get upset. The gaa then banned the scored handpass to thwart Kerry s dominance. Such is life. Social media was nt big at the time so not as much in your face. Success breeds contempt. Ask Clare. They went from being loved to gated in a few years. This Dublin team are a great team. They are a grounded team. Most of their supporters are a great bunch but like every county we have the bad ones too. I have no problem with a debate but bring balance to the argument. Believe you me not too many people in Kerry think football is dead.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2732 - 07/12/2020 13:25:45    2319750

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Replying To Liffeylad:  "Football is finished because Dublin is now dominant and have done 5 in a row and going for a possible 6. How was this issue not raised when the Kerry minors did 5 in a row. How did county managers motivate their teams to turn up for training and go out to play against this Kerry team they had no chance of beating. How did the small counties encourage their teams to keep playing against a team with a bigger population and more money at their disposal. The fact is they did and teams did keep trying and eventually Kerry were beaten. The problem here is that Kerry thought that this hugely successful minor team would progress to senior level and topple the Dubs and the Kerry dominance begin again. How many Kerry people on here would have an issue if it was Kerry going for 6 in a row??

Winning is a bit like respect, it has to be earned not demanded."
Because kerry didnt have a centrally commissioned board set up in 2003 to save them. All Kerry's success comes.from what the folks in kerry are doing.

A board was set up by the GAA to save Dublin football . Dublin a team that often won their province and reached all Ireland semi finals was deemed.in need of saving. No other county in Ireland has had that. That is treatment no one else.got. the dubs who actually mention the board think it's understandable that the board was set up because it was the dark days that no one remembers. Yes no on remembers because it didnt happen dark days are not all ireland semi finals .

Sean Kelly said it was job done. Well he can give himself a pat on the back because leinster football is dead.

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1453 - 07/12/2020 14:49:11    2319784

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I would say Kerry would have no issue liffey lad but not too many Kerry posts here saying football is finished. On the contrary Genius Gerry from Kerry believes things can change next year as do I. You are on about respect and yes respect has to be earned but you don't get respect by making foundless comments here. I'm from Kerry also and don't believe football is finished but you seem to have an issue with Kerry. 5 in a row in minor is great but it's different as most minors as alot of minor will never make senior grade. When Kerry were successful in the late 70 s and early 80s folk said football is finished but I did nt get upset. The gaa then banned the scored handpass to thwart Kerry s dominance. Such is life. Social media was nt big at the time so not as much in your face. Success breeds contempt. Ask Clare. They went from being loved to gated in a few years. This Dublin team are a great team. They are a grounded team. Most of their supporters are a great bunch but like every county we have the bad ones too. I have no problem with a debate but bring balance to the argument. Believe you me not too many people in Kerry think football is dead."
Good points you raise, I dread these goals where the ball is handpassed accross the square and punted into the net, this is one change I would make to football in the morning if I had my way...hand passed point is another I would look at, dont like any player playing FOOTBALL scoring with their HAND...goal or point...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 866 - 07/12/2020 14:56:50    2319787

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Replying To Liffeylad:  "Football is finished because Dublin is now dominant and have done 5 in a row and going for a possible 6. How was this issue not raised when the Kerry minors did 5 in a row. How did county managers motivate their teams to turn up for training and go out to play against this Kerry team they had no chance of beating. How did the small counties encourage their teams to keep playing against a team with a bigger population and more money at their disposal. The fact is they did and teams did keep trying and eventually Kerry were beaten. The problem here is that Kerry thought that this hugely successful minor team would progress to senior level and topple the Dubs and the Kerry dominance begin again. How many Kerry people on here would have an issue if it was Kerry going for 6 in a row??

Winning is a bit like respect, it has to be earned not demanded."
Football is not finished. What is finished is the Leinster Senior Football Championship. It is dead. Championships have to be competitive. The All Ireland Senior Football Championship is dying. Dublin will win their eighth title in ten years. It will not stop at that. You are not talking about a team. You are talking about a magnificently successful organisation that is continually developing and renewing their senior team. They have been granted many advantages by The GAA and they have utilised those advantages brilliantly. As a result Dublin will continue to dominate the All Ireland championship in the manner that they dominate Leinster. Nearly twenty years ago The GAA stepped in and "rescued" Dublin GAA. They now have to step in and rescue the Leinster championship and the All Ireland championship.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5649 - 07/12/2020 15:25:12    2319800

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Football is not finished. What is finished is the Leinster Senior Football Championship. It is dead. Championships have to be competitive. The All Ireland Senior Football Championship is dying. Dublin will win their eighth title in ten years. It will not stop at that. You are not talking about a team. You are talking about a magnificently successful organisation that is continually developing and renewing their senior team. They have been granted many advantages by The GAA and they have utilised those advantages brilliantly. As a result Dublin will continue to dominate the All Ireland championship in the manner that they dominate Leinster. Nearly twenty years ago The GAA stepped in and "rescued" Dublin GAA. They now have to step in and rescue the Leinster championship and the All Ireland championship."
Again I will ask the question. When Kerry minors won 5 in a row (a) where was the competition and (b) where was the outcry

Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 38 - 07/12/2020 15:44:48    2319806

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Replying To Liffeylad:  "Again I will ask the question. When Kerry minors won 5 in a row (a) where was the competition and (b) where was the outcry"
Where was the board set up by the big wigs at the GAA to help rescue them?

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1453 - 07/12/2020 15:51:31    2319807

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I would say Kerry would have no issue liffey lad but not too many Kerry posts here saying football is finished. On the contrary Genius Gerry from Kerry believes things can change next year as do I. You are on about respect and yes respect has to be earned but you don't get respect by making foundless comments here. I'm from Kerry also and don't believe football is finished but you seem to have an issue with Kerry. 5 in a row in minor is great but it's different as most minors as alot of minor will never make senior grade. When Kerry were successful in the late 70 s and early 80s folk said football is finished but I did nt get upset. The gaa then banned the scored handpass to thwart Kerry s dominance. Such is life. Social media was nt big at the time so not as much in your face. Success breeds contempt. Ask Clare. They went from being loved to gated in a few years. This Dublin team are a great team. They are a grounded team. Most of their supporters are a great bunch but like every county we have the bad ones too. I have no problem with a debate but bring balance to the argument. Believe you me not too many people in Kerry think football is dead."
On basis do you find my remarks to be foundless. Overall I have no issue with Kerry or people from Kerry what I do take issue with however, is the two Kerry posters on here who consistently undermine the achievements of this great Dublin team. While they have some basis for their argument in relation to funding and population, they never acknowledge their skill, determination, commitment and the pride they take in playing for Dublin. Let's be honest here Dublin seniors did what Kerry seniors failed to do and it hurts like hell.

Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 38 - 07/12/2020 15:53:27    2319809

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Replying To Liffeylad:  "Again I will ask the question. When Kerry minors won 5 in a row (a) where was the competition and (b) where was the outcry"
Kerry minors weren't accorded financial advantages. Kerry minors were never going to perpetually dominate. You are comparing chalk and cheese.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5649 - 07/12/2020 15:53:46    2319810

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Replying To Joxer:  "That semi was well and truly over by half time. For the sake of football split Mayo. As for the laying of the wreath, well done Tipp, classy. When Dublin did it we were called classless and it was a choreographed publicity stunt according to some Meath and Kerry posters."
Would you ever give over, always with the sarcastic tone. You and the Kerry ones are as bad as each other

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1945 - 07/12/2020 16:05:30    2319820

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Kerry minors weren't accorded financial advantages. Kerry minors were never going to perpetually dominate. You are comparing chalk and cheese."
Kerry minors were did not have a board set up to rescue them . Their success was generated from within the county

If a board had been set up to rescue them yes there would have been rightful outrage.

I'm genuinely asking a question than no one from dublin has answered how is you getting a board set up by the GAA to rescue you not an advantage?
A board no one else got. A board that was not set up by the Dublin county board but by the president of the GAA....do you think this board did nothing for Dublin , that it was of no benefit to you because that is the only way it's not an unfair advantage

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1453 - 07/12/2020 16:11:57    2319824

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Replying To Liffeylad:  "Again I will ask the question. When Kerry minors won 5 in a row (a) where was the competition and (b) where was the outcry"
Not one of those Kerry 5 in a row Minors teams
Went on to win or even contest an u21 oru20 All Ireland final
In fact Galway who Kerry had beaten in 2 of those Minor finals
Went on to beat Kerry at u21/20
Comparing Minor with senior is like night and day
its not relevant in any way

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1334 - 07/12/2020 16:18:21    2319832

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Replying To galwayfball:  "Where was the board set up by the big wigs at the GAA to help rescue them?"
Rescue them what. They had won 5 in a row

Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 38 - 07/12/2020 16:49:49    2319854

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Replying To rhudson:  "Not one of those Kerry 5 in a row Minors teams
Went on to win or even contest an u21 oru20 All Ireland final
In fact Galway who Kerry had beaten in 2 of those Minor finals
Went on to beat Kerry at u21/20
Comparing Minor with senior is like night and day
its not relevant in any way"
I'm not comparing minor with senior. The point I am making is that the question has been repeatedly asked how do you get players and management teams motivated and wanting to play when there only seems to be one winner so how was it done with Kerry constantly winning. I think Kerry folk find the fact that their minors did 5 in a row very relevant because they certainly go on about it enough!!

Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 38 - 07/12/2020 16:54:47    2319859

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Replying To Liffeylad:  "Again I will ask the question. When Kerry minors won 5 in a row (a) where was the competition and (b) where was the outcry"
There was no outcry because they were youngsters and a different team came every year. May I remind you I did nt hear any outcry either when Dublin won 5 in a row. I hear rumblings now alright I admit. People know minors won't last as. Srniorsvare different. For what's it's worth I think this is a storm in a tea cup. Things change quickly. We all know that.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2732 - 07/12/2020 17:20:20    2319872

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Replying To Liffeylad:  "Rescue them what. They had won 5 in a row"
Exactly they didnt to be rescued the didnt need a board set up to save them anymore than the Dublin seniors needing a board set up to rescue them from competitive all Ireland semi finals and sometimes.winning the provincial crown

Imagine they had competitive matches in leinster

Now If you can just respond and tell me why dublin needed rescuing by this board? You can clearly see kerry gaa didnt need rescuing so do you see that dublin didnt either

sean kelly former gaa president the man who set it up took credit for helping dublin gaa only 2 days ago

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1453 - 07/12/2020 17:36:24    2319881

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If Dublin win this year they will have won 8 AI this decade. Crickey Tyone and Kerry were fighting for team of the decade when they had only won 3/4 AIs.

kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 260 - 07/12/2020 17:50:00    2319886

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If Dublin win this year they will have won 8 AI this decade. Crickey Tyone and Kerry were fighting for team of the decade when they had only won 3/4 AIs.

kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 260 - 07/12/2020 18:10:08    2319895

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The thing to give us all hope going forward
Was the fact going back to 2011
There was often a small margin Dublin won those finals by
Its a knockout year lets not forget this year 2020
No qualifier No backdoor it made it even easier for Dublin
When most of their main rivals were knocked out
So Kerry Tyrone Donegal Galway had no second chance
2021 wil be much different for sure
All of the above Countys should be in Quarter/semi final stage
Its up to the likes of Kerry Tyrone Galway and Cork
Who have a very strong underage structure
They have to put in the work with Coaching Strenght /conditioningetc
It will take a good few yrs but it can be done

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1334 - 07/12/2020 19:24:14    2319930

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