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Replying To NewyorkNewyork:  "I'm not really sure what your point is? They do have a massive advantage due to population, funding and home games, no?"
We always had a massive "advantage" in population, we where not always successful that is the point. The rest is a pointless argument on here that prejudice will not entertain. Maybe if the GAA allowed Dublin to build the stadium they want, be self sufficent then the GAA can look after the rest. But I think you will find it is Dublin that has always sustained the GAA as it sustains tge country. Just recognise for on e, Dublin has no control over its destinay anymore tham anyone else.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4727 - 20/12/2020 12:26:58    2324502

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Assist them all. Then its equal. Isn't that tbe whole point? Make it a level playing field. So don't discriminate against Kerry either
NewyorkNewyork (Kildare) - Posts: 10 - 20/12/2020 00:40:08
What would you call a level playing field?

Really? JP didn't fund a top S and C coach for the Limerick hustlers them? Enjoy your lemons.
Monkeycatcher (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 20/7712/2020 09:23:59
well done on missing the point and you're very unfair calling them hustlers?

Killing fields I'm very surprised by your "and I don't mean kerry" comment,

Usually I find you to be a very fair minded poster, but do you realise that we're all part of the same organisation?

So are kerry not allowed access to equal money from HQ just because we have won a lot of allirelands?
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 12003 - 20/12/2020 09:30:07
What i meant by i dont mean kerry is that Kerry is not one of the counties that needs extensive help from the GAA so there is greater competition against the dubs. Kerry are getting to all ireland semi finals, finals on a very regular basis. They are not in trouble.
I never said kerry shouldnt get funding or anything like that but its the likes of Galway, Cork, Meath, Kildare we need challenging more at top table. Kerry are very much at that table already alongside Dublin.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2542 - 20/12/2020 13:43:43    2324547

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Replying To Joxer:  "I presume that you realise that most of those finances are ploughed into Dublin hurling. You probably also realise that huge sums have been ploughed into the Kerry and Mayo football teams. If you say that Dublin is "over financed" then you must have a value in mind for what would be "equal finance". So how much money should Dublin receive? Give us a number."
Dublin get €270 funding per registered player as mayo and kerry get in or around €20. So It should be very obvious to yourself and everyone else that dublin are over funded, on another note did anyone else read Joe brollys article in the Sunday independent, it was a disgraceful attack from him on the mayo teams over the last ten years.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 521 - 20/12/2020 14:35:01    2324580

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€270 per registered player for Dublin. Average €20 per player (some lower) for every other county.
How is this allowed in a so called amateur sport ??
Equality is all we ask.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17778 - 20/12/2020 14:52:49    2324588

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The gaa is like an ostrich with its head stuck in the sand. The senior championship is finished for the foreseeable future as Dublin will dominate ok they may get bet every 5 years or so but that will be it. There is no reason why we cant have a competitive intermediate and junior championship competition to enjoy each year but that would make to much sense. i dont think i would like to see other senior teams trying to copy dublin as there approach is becoming dare i say it too professional too clinical and as a result too boring no risk taken no attempt to score or pass unless it is 100% on . Imagine the spectacle if you get two super fit teams playing the same shite. Many of the other top teams are near the same level and could still serve up many exciting and entertaining games with out trying to copy Dublins complete analytic and super professional regime. After all we are still suppose to be an amateur organisation and watching the dubs you can slowly see the enjoyment fun and entertainment draining away.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 96 - 20/12/2020 15:05:55    2324598

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Assist them all. Then its equal. Isn't that tbe whole point? Make it a level playing field. So don't discriminate against Kerry either
NewyorkNewyork (Kildare) - Posts: 10 - 20/12/2020 00:40:08
What would you call a level playing field?

Really? JP didn't fund a top S and C coach for the Limerick hustlers them? Enjoy your lemons.
Monkeycatcher (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 20/7712/2020 09:23:59
well done on missing the point and you're very unfair calling them hustlers?

Killing fields I'm very surprised by your "and I don't mean kerry" comment,

Usually I find you to be a very fair minded poster, but do you realise that we're all part of the same organisation?

So are kerry not allowed access to equal money from HQ just because we have won a lot of allirelands?
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 12003 - 20/12/2020 09:30:07
What i meant by i dont mean kerry is that Kerry is not one of the counties that needs extensive help from the GAA so there is greater competition against the dubs. Kerry are getting to all ireland semi finals, finals on a very regular basis. They are not in trouble.
I never said kerry shouldnt get funding or anything like that but its the likes of Galway, Cork, Meath, Kildare we need challenging more at top table. Kerry are very much at that table already alongside Dublin."
Killingfields, you can't be discriminating against Kerry like that. They need every penny they can get their hands on to get up to the level to topple Da Dubs!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 692 - 20/12/2020 15:20:39    2324606

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Replying To royaldunne:  "€270 per registered player for Dublin. Average €20 per player (some lower) for every other county.
How is this allowed in a so called amateur sport ??
Equality is all we ask."
That funding did not go to registered players. It was spent on promoting the GAA in traditionally soccer and rugby areas in Dublin (of which there are lots). Those figures you are quoting are incorrect, just thrown around by those looking for a simplified reason for Dublin success and to mask the failings in other counties.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4536 - 20/12/2020 15:35:54    2324612

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "The gaa is like an ostrich with its head stuck in the sand. The senior championship is finished for the foreseeable future as Dublin will dominate ok they may get bet every 5 years or so but that will be it. There is no reason why we cant have a competitive intermediate and junior championship competition to enjoy each year but that would make to much sense. i dont think i would like to see other senior teams trying to copy dublin as there approach is becoming dare i say it too professional too clinical and as a result too boring no risk taken no attempt to score or pass unless it is 100% on . Imagine the spectacle if you get two super fit teams playing the same shite. Many of the other top teams are near the same level and could still serve up many exciting and entertaining games with out trying to copy Dublins complete analytic and super professional regime. After all we are still suppose to be an amateur organisation and watching the dubs you can slowly see the enjoyment fun and entertainment draining away."
I always tend to lean towards the athletes of today as better than the past. Not these these footballers. They are not good enough to carry water for the players past. The most of them would not get near a county gaelic football team.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1642 - 20/12/2020 16:01:25    2324633

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "That funding did not go to registered players. It was spent on promoting the GAA in traditionally soccer and rugby areas in Dublin (of which there are lots). Those figures you are quoting are incorrect, just thrown around by those looking for a simplified reason for Dublin success and to mask the failings in other counties."
Whats the real figures so bad.monkey, because when you divide the total registered players in dublin into the total funding that dublin get then the figure is €270, likewise when you do the same math with mayo meath kerry kildare etc they all seem to get around €20. Would love to see the exact breakdown as to were this money is spent in dublin and why there more deserving of this funds then everyone else.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 521 - 20/12/2020 16:06:30    2324640

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Assist them all. Then its equal. Isn't that tbe whole point? Make it a level playing field. So don't discriminate against Kerry either
NewyorkNewyork (Kildare) - Posts: 10 - 20/12/2020 00:40:08
What would you call a level playing field?

Really? JP didn't fund a top S and C coach for the Limerick hustlers them? Enjoy your lemons.
Monkeycatcher (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 20/7712/2020 09:23:59
well done on missing the point and you're very unfair calling them hustlers?

Killing fields I'm very surprised by your "and I don't mean kerry" comment,

Usually I find you to be a very fair minded poster, but do you realise that we're all part of the same organisation?

So are kerry not allowed access to equal money from HQ just because we have won a lot of allirelands?
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 12003 - 20/12/2020 09:30:07
What i meant by i dont mean kerry is that Kerry is not one of the counties that needs extensive help from the GAA so there is greater competition against the dubs. Kerry are getting to all ireland semi finals, finals on a very regular basis. They are not in trouble.
I never said kerry shouldnt get funding or anything like that but its the likes of Galway, Cork, Meath, Kildare we need challenging more at top table. Kerry are very much at that table already alongside Dublin."
Ah right, no I agree we don't need extensive funding and once the gaa don't take away our €19 a year per child we should be OK, when you look at what we managed to do with that €19 developing the likes of Clifford O'Shea Moynihan Tom Ó'Súileabháin Brian O'Beaglaoich we're doing really well in fairness, of course we have to do a pile of fundraising in the USA and the kerry lotto as well just to keep the wolf from the door.

We'll challenge away and get to the odd semifinal and final but we won't be winning though, we'll just be making up the numbers like the rest of the counties, just cannon fodder.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13578 - 20/12/2020 16:10:04    2324642

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Leaving aside Dublin's dominance, gaelic football is boring to watch. The reasons? Over coaching. Passing the ball back and forth across the pitch, back to the goalkeeper, just don't lose possession. Then you add in 15 men behind the ball so as not to concede a score. It is called parking the bus in soccer. It is the style of play as much as dominance by one team that is destroying the game as a spectacle. I stopped watching gaelic football outside club games about 6 years ago. In those six years it has become even more orchestrated, efficient but like watching paint dry. Until something is done to improve the spectacle, crowd will continue to decline. I just wonder how much fun is it to play!!!

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1411 - 20/12/2020 16:25:12    2324647

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Are we looking at a super race in gaa now
The Dublin men have won 6 in a row
The Dublin Women have won 4 in a row
Imagine what the future is gonna be like
There is a dark cloud over gaa in this country

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1334 - 20/12/2020 17:22:00    2324674

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Replying To rhudson:  "Are we looking at a super race in gaa now
The Dublin men have won 6 in a row
The Dublin Women have won 4 in a row
Imagine what the future is gonna be like
There is a dark cloud over gaa in this country"
agree
the dublin team are sheer class, money or not. we must admire and credit them. they are a generational team but have obvious advantages- facilities, economic, funding
however, to see the rise of dublin ladies team at the same time it is clear the difference infrastructure, funding and excellent administration and organisation can bring.
not taking anything away from either team, they are head and shoulders above the chasing packs.
but its time to make this more even before we turn youngsters off playing football.
can we blame a young lad from outside dublin for going to play rugby or even aussie rules?
only for an excellent performance by donegal in 2014, we would be looking at 8 in a row for dublin this year.

GalwaysFinest (Galway) - Posts: 77 - 20/12/2020 18:15:27    2324719

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Whats the real figures so bad.monkey, because when you divide the total registered players in dublin into the total funding that dublin get then the figure is €270, likewise when you do the same math with mayo meath kerry kildare etc they all seem to get around €20. Would love to see the exact breakdown as to were this money is spent in dublin and why there more deserving of this funds then everyone else."
As the funding was for getting more kids playing in non GAA areas, you should be dividing the funds by non registered players in each county. Simple - feel free to post the results ! But Im guessing since the reality doesn't suit your argument, you won't.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4536 - 20/12/2020 18:48:56    2324736

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At this stage it would be better to hand both Senior championship trophies the Dublin teams ( mens and ladies)and get a Sam 2 and Tommy 2 and have a decent competition with the other 30 plus teams for both of them. That way Gaelic might be saved for the rest of teams.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 817 - 20/12/2020 18:52:50    2324738

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Whats the real figures so bad.monkey, because when you divide the total registered players in dublin into the total funding that dublin get then the figure is €270, likewise when you do the same math with mayo meath kerry kildare etc they all seem to get around €20. Would love to see the exact breakdown as to were this money is spent in dublin and why there more deserving of this funds then everyone else."
Pat McDonagh asked for a breakdown on how his sponsorship money was being spent in Galway and was told to sod off. I'd say there's some serious backwards cowboys running county boards around the place.
Perhaps we could look at our own county boards and the type of job they're doing before assuming it's all Dublins fault?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 936 - 20/12/2020 18:59:07    2324741

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "As the funding was for getting more kids playing in non GAA areas, you should be dividing the funds by non registered players in each county. Simple - feel free to post the results ! But Im guessing since the reality doesn't suit your argument, you won't."
So you want more money for Dublin GAA? Is €1.45 million a year, every year not enough for you?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5649 - 20/12/2020 18:59:27    2324742

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "Leaving aside Dublin's dominance, gaelic football is boring to watch. The reasons? Over coaching. Passing the ball back and forth across the pitch, back to the goalkeeper, just don't lose possession. Then you add in 15 men behind the ball so as not to concede a score. It is called parking the bus in soccer. It is the style of play as much as dominance by one team that is destroying the game as a spectacle. I stopped watching gaelic football outside club games about 6 years ago. In those six years it has become even more orchestrated, efficient but like watching paint dry. Until something is done to improve the spectacle, crowd will continue to decline. I just wonder how much fun is it to play!!!"
Other sports have issues too. For example Soccer is not doing well in this country at the moment. The national team is poor and finances are not great. League of Ireland teams struggle in Europe. Rugby teams are doing ok, but individual players are complaining about the concussion and general care at rugby matches. Would you allow a young lad to play full frontal rugby. I would not at the moment. So Gaelic football is a good safe game in my opinion.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2267 - 20/12/2020 19:02:21    2324746

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Replying To border Gael:  "At this stage it would be better to hand both Senior championship trophies the Dublin teams ( mens and ladies)and get a Sam 2 and Tommy 2 and have a decent competition with the other 30 plus teams for both of them. That way Gaelic might be saved for the rest of teams."
Yesssss I couldn't agree more the 31 counties will be starting at a level playing field.
10 leinsters in a row 15 leinsters in 16 years
6 all Ireland's in a row 8 all Ireland's in 10 years players that have never lost a championship match? Never have to play an away match against a leinster team it automatically becomes a neutral venue in kilkenny or somewhere.. amateur game ?? Level playing field?? We should just leave the sam and croke park to the dubs and they can play A V B games for it each year

Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 20/12/2020 19:04:00    2324747

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Replying To GalwaysFinest:  "agree
the dublin team are sheer class, money or not. we must admire and credit them. they are a generational team but have obvious advantages- facilities, economic, funding
however, to see the rise of dublin ladies team at the same time it is clear the difference infrastructure, funding and excellent administration and organisation can bring.
not taking anything away from either team, they are head and shoulders above the chasing packs.
but its time to make this more even before we turn youngsters off playing football.
can we blame a young lad from outside dublin for going to play rugby or even aussie rules?
only for an excellent performance by donegal in 2014, we would be looking at 8 in a row for dublin this year."
You do remember that the Cork ladies did nine in a row before them? The Dublin ladies have a bit to go to match their dominance!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1600 - 20/12/2020 19:14:50    2324755

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