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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "It was actually Kerry ladies that won 9 ion a row not Cork"
Ha yes you're right! Cork "only" won 11 out of 12 All Irelands and merely did a 6 in a row. Ladies football must have been as dead as a dodo after that!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1600 - 21/12/2020 12:14:52    2325041

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Replying To gatha:  "That's my point the way the game is played today is horrible. Blanket defenses playing keep away. Players playing a full match and never putting their foot to the ball. Give me the game of the old days any time."
NO way. You watch back old clips of All_irelands-a lot of so called "classic" matches were actually muck. Balls hoofed aimlessly out of defence, goalkeepers just going for distance on the kick outs, the abomination that was the open handed pass (more likely a throw). Also pulling and dragging were part and parcel of the game. I agree on points people have made about the hand pass. Lateral passing and retention of possession don't make for a great spectacle but I'd still argue that football can still make for a compelling spectacle.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1817 - 21/12/2020 12:22:31    2325042

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "This is what I don't get. if a team has a blanket defence going with sweepers etc, send up offensive players in the same numbers to match them, drop in high balls, it can go anywhere, it's risk football."
Leave yourself 2 on 2 in acres of space the other end. Get killed on the break.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4550 - 21/12/2020 12:24:10    2325043

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Just looking at the programme from Saturdays match and Dublin had a backroom team of 29 named.
Is it time to put a cap on Intercounty spending so each team has a limit in what they can spend in team preparation right the way from U15 development squads to senior to level the playing fields such as the do in the NFL?
Its up to county boards then to spend it wisely. The can p*ss it down the drain if they like but dont be complaining if they are not getting the results on the pitch.
After this Croke Park can pump whatever they wish into schools/grass roots in non GAA strongholds etc.
Not sure how this can be policed but I am sure there are means.

fantasybrown (Roscommon) - Posts: 4 - 21/12/2020 12:24:51    2325044

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Replying To gatha:  "That's my point the way the game is played today is horrible. Blanket defenses playing keep away. Players playing a full match and never putting their foot to the ball. Give me the game of the old days any time."
Just wondering, when exactly in the "old days" are referring to? Football has evolved constantly over the decades. I played inter-county in the 1980s (is that "old" enough??) and the standard in Division 4 was muck - I wouldn't want to go back there! In the previous decade, I remember Kerry scoring 9-21 in a championship game v Clare; and Clare's score of 1-9 with the biggest Kerry conceded in the championship that year. Wouldn't want to be going back there either.

Looking back over the record books, in 1927 Kildare beat Kerry 0-5 to 0-3: doesn't look like much free-flowing football played there? Laois failed to score in the 1889 final - not much good forward play on show there either? People said football was dead in 1980 and 81 due to Kerry's dominance, and the 80 final was a dour affair.

Skill levels today are so much better at all levels. Appreciate the beauty of what we have...

football first (None) - Posts: 1239 - 21/12/2020 13:08:13    2325064

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Replying To fantasybrown:  "Just looking at the programme from Saturdays match and Dublin had a backroom team of 29 named.
Is it time to put a cap on Intercounty spending so each team has a limit in what they can spend in team preparation right the way from U15 development squads to senior to level the playing fields such as the do in the NFL?
Its up to county boards then to spend it wisely. The can p*ss it down the drain if they like but dont be complaining if they are not getting the results on the pitch.
After this Croke Park can pump whatever they wish into schools/grass roots in non GAA strongholds etc.
Not sure how this can be policed but I am sure there are means."
Mayo done better than any other amateur team against a professional team to be fair

Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 21/12/2020 13:24:58    2325072

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "Mayo done better than any other amateur team against a professional team to be fair"
Did you make that all up by yourself?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4442 - 21/12/2020 13:54:11    2325077

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Replying To avonali:  "NO way. You watch back old clips of All_irelands-a lot of so called "classic" matches were actually muck. Balls hoofed aimlessly out of defence, goalkeepers just going for distance on the kick outs, the abomination that was the open handed pass (more likely a throw). Also pulling and dragging were part and parcel of the game. I agree on points people have made about the hand pass. Lateral passing and retention of possession don't make for a great spectacle but I'd still argue that football can still make for a compelling spectacle."
Which game this year would you regard as a "compelling spectacle??" there were all snooze fests as players are not allowed to express themselves anymore. has to be to a system so that all these managers and bluffer coaches can take credit for the win- oh we had the better system in place. Very rarely you see a player trying anything random nowadays as it is not tolerated by the sideline gurus.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 21/12/2020 13:58:49    2325078

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "Mayo done better than any other amateur team against a professional team to be fair"
How are Dublin a professional team to be fair
They all are students or work jobs just like players in every other county.
They have lots of coaches, just like many other counties - tipp and limerick hurlers have similar/more as do many football sides.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2542 - 21/12/2020 14:04:31    2325080

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "Mayo done better than any other amateur team against a professional team to be fair"
Dublin are far from a professional team. Explain how they are near a pro team?
All are in college or have full time jobs to work...

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2542 - 21/12/2020 14:55:50    2325092

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Replying To Joxer:  "Did you make that all up by yourself?"
Aww poor dubs getting annoyed that noone cares about the farce of a championship that only 1 team can win

Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 21/12/2020 15:24:33    2325104

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Dublin are far from a professional team. Explain how they are near a pro team?
All are in college or have full time jobs to work..."
Okay yeah your right there not professional atall compared to wicklow carlow leitrim etc... take your point

Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 21/12/2020 15:26:07    2325105

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Replying To KillingFields:  "How are Dublin a professional team to be fair
They all are students or work jobs just like players in every other county.
They have lots of coaches, just like many other counties - tipp and limerick hurlers have similar/more as do many football sides."
People threw the same lazy jibes at the Kerry "Golden Years" team - citing their arrangements with Adidas and Bendix (who remembers the infamous washing machine ads??) as evidence that money was helping them to buy all-Irelands. Despite all that has changed in Ireland over the past 40 years, begrudgery is still alive and well.

football first (None) - Posts: 1239 - 21/12/2020 15:39:27    2325113

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Replying To avonali:  "NO way. You watch back old clips of All_irelands-a lot of so called "classic" matches were actually muck. Balls hoofed aimlessly out of defence, goalkeepers just going for distance on the kick outs, the abomination that was the open handed pass (more likely a throw). Also pulling and dragging were part and parcel of the game. I agree on points people have made about the hand pass. Lateral passing and retention of possession don't make for a great spectacle but I'd still argue that football can still make for a compelling spectacle."
Your right there, every ball kicked was anybody's, drop kicks, frees kicked with ball rolling along , pure muck as you say. Kerry Golden Years tape, great at the time but not so great when you look at it now. Give me today's football anytime with all it's problems.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 895 - 21/12/2020 15:43:20    2325117

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Replying To football first:  "People threw the same lazy jibes at the Kerry "Golden Years" team - citing their arrangements with Adidas and Bendix (who remembers the infamous washing machine ads??) as evidence that money was helping them to buy all-Irelands. Despite all that has changed in Ireland over the past 40 years, begrudgery is still alive and well."
And you don't think that money was of any benefit to the Kerry team then? Kerry had talented players who probably should have won eight in a row, but easily could have been beaten by Roscommon in 1980 and that really should have won the 1982 final against Offaly. But once that crop of players got old Kerry went into a very big slump by their standards and Cork took over. That isn't happening with Dublin, the old players are getting replaced by even better and fitter ones.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 21/12/2020 15:50:57    2325120

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "Aww poor dubs getting annoyed that noone cares about the farce of a championship that only 1 team can win"
Getting annoyed? Ha, we're loving it lad

Oh the virus outside is frightful
But the Dubs are so delightful
We're not letting Sam Maguire go
6 in a row, 6 in a row, 6 in a row

Don't worry, your county will get out of Munster next year.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4442 - 21/12/2020 16:22:47    2325129

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "Okay yeah your right there not professional atall compared to wicklow carlow leitrim etc... take your point"
You'd imagine a limerick person would know about being next door to professional with the hurling set up they have and endless money pouring into the thing. You see the problem is just because it's not explicitly stated that this is a professional outfit people can't see past that.

For example people say the GAA is an amateur organisation, so does anybody in the whole organisation gets paid?!?!? It's silly. It's not amateur and has been on the verge of professionalism for some time. Managers, administrators, coaches, physios, assistant goalkeeping coaches all get paid.

So just because Dublin say they're amateur doesn't mean they are. Yes I'm sure they all have jobs or are in college but again that is being too rigid in the professionalism definition. What people mean is that the amount of money being spent on Dublin and being given to Dublin is of an amount that renders them professional. They have a professional set up, not professional players but they have access to all those professional structures which were largely funded by central gaa money! that is not Dublin's fault but that is the difference.

Other counties simply do not have that luxury.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 21/12/2020 16:35:21    2325131

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Replying To tonguey:  "You'd imagine a limerick person would know about being next door to professional with the hurling set up they have and endless money pouring into the thing. You see the problem is just because it's not explicitly stated that this is a professional outfit people can't see past that.

For example people say the GAA is an amateur organisation, so does anybody in the whole organisation gets paid?!?!? It's silly. It's not amateur and has been on the verge of professionalism for some time. Managers, administrators, coaches, physios, assistant goalkeeping coaches all get paid.

So just because Dublin say they're amateur doesn't mean they are. Yes I'm sure they all have jobs or are in college but again that is being too rigid in the professionalism definition. What people mean is that the amount of money being spent on Dublin and being given to Dublin is of an amount that renders them professional. They have a professional set up, not professional players but they have access to all those professional structures which were largely funded by central gaa money! that is not Dublin's fault but that is the difference.

Other counties simply do not have that luxury."
so ..ehh they're not professional but they're actually professional....hmmmm...

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1817 - 21/12/2020 16:54:37    2325138

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "Okay yeah your right there not professional atall compared to wicklow carlow leitrim etc... take your point"
Every county is professional when measured against Wicklow Carlow & Leitrim.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 757 - 21/12/2020 16:58:23    2325139

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Replying To tonguey:  "You'd imagine a limerick person would know about being next door to professional with the hurling set up they have and endless money pouring into the thing. You see the problem is just because it's not explicitly stated that this is a professional outfit people can't see past that.

For example people say the GAA is an amateur organisation, so does anybody in the whole organisation gets paid?!?!? It's silly. It's not amateur and has been on the verge of professionalism for some time. Managers, administrators, coaches, physios, assistant goalkeeping coaches all get paid.

So just because Dublin say they're amateur doesn't mean they are. Yes I'm sure they all have jobs or are in college but again that is being too rigid in the professionalism definition. What people mean is that the amount of money being spent on Dublin and being given to Dublin is of an amount that renders them professional. They have a professional set up, not professional players but they have access to all those professional structures which were largely funded by central gaa money! that is not Dublin's fault but that is the difference.

Other counties simply do not have that luxury."
But this is just more waffle of course. McStay, a Mayo man, stated that Mayo were just as prepared S&C wise as Dublin and have access to top class facilities and coaches. So can you pinpoint what is underpinning this "professionalism" that you keep banging on about because if you can't then you are just waffling-on trying to make a point with nothing to substantiate it. "Money" blah, blah, blah "professionalism" blah, blah, blah. It's just words.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4442 - 21/12/2020 17:00:07    2325141

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