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Replying To galwayford:  "Other sports have issues too. For example Soccer is not doing well in this country at the moment. The national team is poor and finances are not great. League of Ireland teams struggle in Europe. Rugby teams are doing ok, but individual players are complaining about the concussion and general care at rugby matches. Would you allow a young lad to play full frontal rugby. I would not at the moment. So Gaelic football is a good safe game in my opinion."
I know other sports like soccer and rugby have the issues as you outline. I'm not necessarily talking about the issues with the gaa as they are well documented on this forum. What I am referring to is the product that is 'gaelic football' and in particular the style. Even Dublin's style of play has changed since they lost to donegal in 2014 and this style of play is hard to watch, effective, efficient but equally boring. I think somethibg needs to be done in this area, rule changes or a different approach by management teams. There isn't one inter county in ireland that I would sit down and watch. If you add this problem to the others such as one team's ongoing dominance, funding etc, it is not a bright picture for the future.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1411 - 20/12/2020 19:36:32    2324767

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "Yesssss I couldn't agree more the 31 counties will be starting at a level playing field.
10 leinsters in a row 15 leinsters in 16 years
6 all Ireland's in a row 8 all Ireland's in 10 years players that have never lost a championship match? Never have to play an away match against a leinster team it automatically becomes a neutral venue in kilkenny or somewhere.. amateur game ?? Level playing field?? We should just leave the sam and croke park to the dubs and they can play A V B games for it each year"
You do realise there will still be imbalances if that were to happen? Counties with more money, higher picks, centres of excellence etc. Or would it not matter to you once Dublin were not there? Curious.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 757 - 20/12/2020 19:40:47    2324769

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Replying To lilylanger:  "You do realise there will still be imbalances if that were to happen? Counties with more money, higher picks, centres of excellence etc. Or would it not matter to you once Dublin were not there? Curious."
Mmmm no it's not an anti Dublin thing if that's what you're thinking for god sake we seen this year most counties can beat anyone on any given day with Dublin been the exception

Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 20/12/2020 20:07:46    2324788

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Not at all. Just make it so that the Dublin hurlers have equal esteem with the footballers so that their dual players dont always opt for football. Dublin wouldnt have won 6 in a row if the likes of Ciaran Kilkenny and Cormac Costello had stuck with playing the small ball!"
Sorry, but I'm more than sure that Dublin would have won 6 in a row even without Ciaran Kilkenny, Cormac Costello and possibly a few others, that how good they are, the Dublin bench is full of super stars.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2463 - 20/12/2020 20:09:03    2324791

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "Mmmm no it's not an anti Dublin thing if that's what you're thinking for god sake we seen this year most counties can beat anyone on any given day with Dublin been the exception"
Because they have superior footballers. Just like Limerick have superior hurlers.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 757 - 20/12/2020 20:22:55    2324801

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "1979
Kerry vs Clare 9-21 to 1-09 (36)
Kerry vs Cork 2-14 to 2-04 (10)
Kerry vs Monaghan 5-14 to 0-7 (22)
Kerry vs Dublin 3-13 to 1-08 (10)

Average game winning margin 19.5 points

2020
Dublin vs Westmeath 0-22 to 0-11 (11)
Dublin vs Laois 2-23 to 0-7 (22)
Dublin vs Meath 3-21 to 0-9 (21)
Dublin vs Cavan 1-24 to 0-12 (15)
Dublin vs Mayo 2-14 to 0-15 (5)

Average game winning margin 14.8 points

Football didn't die in 1979 for example, when it was even more imbalanced than today. It won't die in 2020 either.

In any given era, you've only had 3-4 teams capable of winning Sam. Football has always been imbalanced. This is not a new phenomenon at all.

As well, there was nothing wrong with Croke Park, having to travel all the way there, and the huge population that Dublin had compared to everyone else in 1979. This has only suddenly become a problem in select eyes in the last 2-3 years."
Maybe you are not aware but the Croke Park issue g as been spoken about since I was a kid. In 1983 Cork fought hard to have semi in neutral venue. When that failed they fought to have semi replay played in Cork. However they lost and that chapter was closed but it was spoken about for years.Football did nt die in 79 and it won't die now either. Rules will Chang as they did back then and life will go on.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2732 - 20/12/2020 20:45:19    2324810

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "That funding did not go to registered players. It was spent on promoting the GAA in traditionally soccer and rugby areas in Dublin (of which there are lots). Those figures you are quoting are incorrect, just thrown around by those looking for a simplified reason for Dublin success and to mask the failings in other counties."
Are you going by facts or what Pat Gilroy said.?The gaa pumped money into Dublin gaa per registered player not unregistered player. Everyone is massaging the figures to suit their own findings. Facts are facts and it was nt 270e it was 274e per registered player and clubs benefitted big time as did the county. Its all immaterial anyway as that just shows how unfair the gaa are. Dublin have loads anyway so it does mean jack s... T. Money did nt make the dubs the champions they are. It helped but was the cause. Every team needs money to win and that's fact.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2732 - 20/12/2020 21:03:29    2324821

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "You do remember that the Cork ladies did nine in a row before them? The Dublin ladies have a bit to go to match their dominance!"
Yes I do.
That wasn't my point.
My point is we've seen the Dublin ladies become the best team in the land at the same time the men's team did.
Of course you can argue that the men's team are a generational team and they're lucky to have such a good crop come together, but when you see the ladies team improving drastically too, then it just shows how the infrastructure and funding is an unfair advantage.
I'm not talking about a dominance in ladies football, I'm talking about funding and facilities and the unfair advantage the dubs have over the rest of the country.
And it must be noted I'm not a dubs hater, they are an exceptional team and the way they've spent their money and developed football within the county is remarkable.

GalwaysFinest (Galway) - Posts: 77 - 20/12/2020 21:16:47    2324828

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "As the funding was for getting more kids playing in non GAA areas, you should be dividing the funds by non registered players in each county. Simple - feel free to post the results ! But Im guessing since the reality doesn't suit your argument, you won't."
There's no getting through to ye is there, you seem confused as to what gpos actually do, which is allot more then hang around schools trying to encourage kids to play gaa, they spend most of there time with the clubs there assigned to taking training sessions and introducing proper structures to there clubs, they are professional coaches and are a massive asset to any club that has one or in dublins case 2 or even more then that , to say otherwise is a massive insult to them, the problem is dublin have more gpos then the rest of leinster put together, its obvious leinster counties need help and cutting dublins funding and putting it into counties that need it is a start. Something has to be done and to be honest I wouldn't like to see dublin split in two three or four parts but if things continue as they are that's exactly what will happen.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 521 - 20/12/2020 21:27:33    2324836

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Replying To royaldunne:  "€270 per registered player for Dublin. Average €20 per player (some lower) for every other county.
How is this allowed in a so called amateur sport ??
Equality is all we ask."
There in itself is the core issue...and our dub friends don't seem to be able to get it....the fact that they corner 10 times the funding of Leitrim is a complete anomaly, yet they try and justify it...they just don't get it, probably never will..and when the game is dead and buried throughout the country they will wonder what went wrong

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1816 - 20/12/2020 21:32:53    2324842

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "That funding did not go to registered players. It was spent on promoting the GAA in traditionally soccer and rugby areas in Dublin (of which there are lots). Those figures you are quoting are incorrect, just thrown around by those looking for a simplified reason for Dublin success and to mask the failings in other counties."
Those figures are exactly correct...the reality is that there is plethora of full time coaches in Dublin and they are NOT operating in donnybrook or blackrock...in mayo you'd be lucky to have a coach turning up at a school to do a coaching session once a year...

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1816 - 20/12/2020 21:36:19    2324845

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "You do remember that the Cork ladies did nine in a row before them? The Dublin ladies have a bit to go to match their dominance!"
It was actually Kerry ladies that won 9 ion a row not Cork

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2732 - 20/12/2020 22:24:58    2324876

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The way football is played today is a big problem. This Dublin team is being argued as the best ever. This game of hold the ball is unbelievably boring. 3 or 4 times I left the room while the game was on only to come back and Dublin were still playing keep away. I know you can't argue teams from different generations but I will take the great Kerry team's style and swagger and the way the game was played back then any day over today's game. Would I be far off to say Johnny Cooper rarely kicks a ball in any of the games he plays in.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 297 - 20/12/2020 23:32:04    2324915

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Assist them all. Then its equal. Isn't that tbe whole point? Make it a level playing field. So don't discriminate against Kerry either
NewyorkNewyork (Kildare) - Posts: 10 - 20/12/2020 00:40:08
What would you call a level playing field?

Really? JP didn't fund a top S and C coach for the Limerick hustlers them? Enjoy your lemons.
Monkeycatcher (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 20/7712/2020 09:23:59
well done on missing the point and you're very unfair calling them hustlers?

Killing fields I'm very surprised by your "and I don't mean kerry" comment,

Usually I find you to be a very fair minded poster, but do you realise that we're all part of the same organisation?

So are kerry not allowed access to equal money from HQ just because we have won a lot of allirelands?
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 12003 - 20/12/2020 09:30:07
What i meant by i dont mean kerry is that Kerry is not one of the counties that needs extensive help from the GAA so there is greater competition against the dubs. Kerry are getting to all ireland semi finals, finals on a very regular basis. They are not in trouble.
I never said kerry shouldnt get funding or anything like that but its the likes of Galway, Cork, Meath, Kildare we need challenging more at top table. Kerry are very much at that table already alongside Dublin."
My apologies KF

Monkeycatcher (Meath) - Posts: 155 - 21/12/2020 09:08:15    2324949

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Replying To gatha:  "The way football is played today is a big problem. This Dublin team is being argued as the best ever. This game of hold the ball is unbelievably boring. 3 or 4 times I left the room while the game was on only to come back and Dublin were still playing keep away. I know you can't argue teams from different generations but I will take the great Kerry team's style and swagger and the way the game was played back then any day over today's game. Would I be far off to say Johnny Cooper rarely kicks a ball in any of the games he plays in."
When a team is faced with a blanket defence in front of them you shouldn't expect them to aimlessly punt the ball into the FF line. There were no blanket defences in the 70s/80s. Tactically it was a simple game back then. When Dublin turn over ball they break at pace. It's no coincidence that Murch's goal last year and Rock's this year came with Dublin breaking against a standard formation defence. For all of the "boredom" Dublin still clocked up 2-14. The problem here is the blanket defence which has tainted the game.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4442 - 21/12/2020 09:17:43    2324954

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Replying To gatha:  "The way football is played today is a big problem. This Dublin team is being argued as the best ever. This game of hold the ball is unbelievably boring. 3 or 4 times I left the room while the game was on only to come back and Dublin were still playing keep away. I know you can't argue teams from different generations but I will take the great Kerry team's style and swagger and the way the game was played back then any day over today's game. Would I be far off to say Johnny Cooper rarely kicks a ball in any of the games he plays in."
Kicking the ball is not part of the process! Did you not see the two goals?

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1079 - 21/12/2020 09:27:59    2324958

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Replying To gatha:  "The way football is played today is a big problem. This Dublin team is being argued as the best ever. This game of hold the ball is unbelievably boring. 3 or 4 times I left the room while the game was on only to come back and Dublin were still playing keep away. I know you can't argue teams from different generations but I will take the great Kerry team's style and swagger and the way the game was played back then any day over today's game. Would I be far off to say Johnny Cooper rarely kicks a ball in any of the games he plays in."
Kicking the ball is not part of the process! Did you not see the two goals?

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1079 - 21/12/2020 09:29:43    2324962

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Replying To Joxer:  "When a team is faced with a blanket defence in front of them you shouldn't expect them to aimlessly punt the ball into the FF line. There were no blanket defences in the 70s/80s. Tactically it was a simple game back then. When Dublin turn over ball they break at pace. It's no coincidence that Murch's goal last year and Rock's this year came with Dublin breaking against a standard formation defence. For all of the "boredom" Dublin still clocked up 2-14. The problem here is the blanket defence which has tainted the game."
That's my point the way the game is played today is horrible. Blanket defenses playing keep away. Players playing a full match and never putting their foot to the ball. Give me the game of the old days any time.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 297 - 21/12/2020 11:06:42    2325012

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Replying To Joxer:  "When a team is faced with a blanket defence in front of them you shouldn't expect them to aimlessly punt the ball into the FF line. There were no blanket defences in the 70s/80s. Tactically it was a simple game back then. When Dublin turn over ball they break at pace. It's no coincidence that Murch's goal last year and Rock's this year came with Dublin breaking against a standard formation defence. For all of the "boredom" Dublin still clocked up 2-14. The problem here is the blanket defence which has tainted the game."
This is what I don't get. if a team has a blanket defence going with sweepers etc, send up offensive players in the same numbers to match them, drop in high balls, it can go anywhere, it's risk football.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 21/12/2020 11:52:18    2325031

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Replying To gatha:  "That's my point the way the game is played today is horrible. Blanket defenses playing keep away. Players playing a full match and never putting their foot to the ball. Give me the game of the old days any time."
Yeah I agree. Unless some kind of rule is introduced to prevent teams from mass defending, it's here to stay unfortunately.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4442 - 21/12/2020 12:13:45    2325040

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