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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Sure the neutral casual viewers can switch over to Ozark, Game of Thrones and Fair City or go on to Facebook on their phone if they don't like some games where teams play more tactically because gung-ho football at the wrong time will kill them? What good are casual TV fans to GAA clubs and counties who need more players and volunteers and supporters to follow their teams to games through thick and thin?"
Casual fans are very important actually,, id say they account for at least 50% of viewership between attendance and tv on a given day,, probably more than 50 %.
Also,, I don't think there's anything particularly tactical about the keep ball game plan,, in actual fact you could probably train an u-12 team to get the hang of it pretty quickly.
It is effective though,, I must admit.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 936 - 11/12/2020 20:26:51    2321448

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Replying To catch22:  "How about a relatively small population like Kerry getting massive funding in a hurling province. That all seems fair right ?
Of course it is it's not an issue at all at all.
Let's all go back to Kerry winning all Ireland's and everything will be just fine."
To be fair catch. Kerry did nt get massive funding from the gaa. Kerry actually got one of the lowest fundings from Gaa. They did get a grant towards their training facility. Kerry got big income but this was due to sponsorship and foreign fundraising Not from Gaa.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2732 - 11/12/2020 20:29:46    2321451

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I don't find Dublin boring at all, no more than I did Kerry when they were winning 4 in a rows etc, I miss the likes of Connolly and McCaffrey though, but there are some brilliant individual players still on the team,
the thing is this year they haven't been tested so we haven't seen the best of them, I wish we had of got the chance to play them in semi final, I think if all went well for us we'd have given them a real test,
Mayo should give them a real stiff test in the final and that's the question now, are the Dubs coming in under cooked and is this Mayo's best ever opportunity to take them down? Really looking forward to this final."
I have to say in this year's championship I have nt found Dubs as entertaining as before and did nt watch their second half performances that much. Now maybe that's down to the opposition or crowds I don't know. In fairness none of their fixtures got me excited beforehand but the game with Mayo does. I'm prob being unfair to Laois Meath and Cavan but thats the way I feel. When your own county is playing you ré so engrossed that you might not realise the game is poor.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2732 - 11/12/2020 20:37:28    2321454

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "To be fair catch. Kerry did nt get massive funding from the gaa. Kerry actually got one of the lowest fundings from Gaa. They did get a grant towards their training facility. Kerry got big income but this was due to sponsorship and foreign fundraising Not from Gaa."
They may not have got it from the GAA but they always had bags of it mick.
If money is the bottom line and skewing the playing field then Kerry have had an advantage for decades in that department over Dublin and many others for that matter.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 11/12/2020 20:49:15    2321456

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Replying To catch22:  "How about a relatively small population like Kerry getting massive funding in a hurling province. That all seems fair right ?
Of course it is it's not an issue at all at all.
Let's all go back to Kerry winning all Ireland's and everything will be just fine."
Also catch you say munster is a hurling province. Yes while Munster hurling is special every county in munster has won the provincial title in football unlike Leinster. Also Cork joined 4th in football roll of honour. Cork have more football titles than Tyrone Donegal and Mayo.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2732 - 11/12/2020 20:49:36    2321457

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "To be fair catch. Kerry did nt get massive funding from the gaa. Kerry actually got one of the lowest fundings from Gaa. They did get a grant towards their training facility. Kerry got big income but this was due to sponsorship and foreign fundraising Not from Gaa."
To be fair Mick Kerry got 1.25mill from the GAA last year, Dublin 2.1 mill, inclusive of that ever popular 1 mill GDF grant.

That's pretty good and up there with the best of finding distribution.

* Not factoring in Dublins off shore oil companies.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4137 - 11/12/2020 21:13:11    2321462

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Although we weren't as dominant as Dublin is right now, I do remember when Kilkenny were on their run it did get a bit boring even for Kilkenny supporters, when they were going into certain matches where you knew the result before the game was played. When Kilkenny won in 2015 there was very little excitement going into the match. This is not intended to disrespect Galway but in Kilkenny we were fairly sure we were going to win. Now during that run Tipp gave us plenty of great matches. Mayo and Kerry have stood up to the Dubs in previous years and hopefully Mayo will do it again in the final. Dublin are running through most teams and I would guess the Dublin supporters would love an exciting closely contested All Ireland.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 297 - 11/12/2020 21:23:58    2321466

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Replying To TheUsername:  "To be fair Mick Kerry got 1.25mill from the GAA last year, Dublin 2.1 mill, inclusive of that ever popular 1 mill GDF grant.

That's pretty good and up there with the best of finding distribution.

* Not factoring in Dublins off shore oil companies."
Pre note,, I've no idea of funding stats,,, I'll defer to your knowledge,, but wasn't the kerry board reduced to collecting money outside of masses a few year ago to pay for the team holiday?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 936 - 11/12/2020 21:24:37    2321467

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Replying To TheUsername:  "To be fair Mick Kerry got 1.25mill from the GAA last year, Dublin 2.1 mill, inclusive of that ever popular 1 mill GDF grant.

That's pretty good and up there with the best of finding distribution.

* Not factoring in Dublins off shore oil companies."
TBH I did nt see figures for this year or last year yet so I will take your word for it Username.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2732 - 11/12/2020 21:43:37    2321471

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Also catch you say munster is a hurling province. Yes while Munster hurling is special every county in munster has won the provincial title in football unlike Leinster. Also Cork joined 4th in football roll of honour. Cork have more football titles than Tyrone Donegal and Mayo."
Mick , there's only 6 counties in Munster. That's another advantage Kerry have if you want to go down that road. All the other counties are predominantly hurling focused and only Cork can put up any sort of a challenge. 85 years since Tipp's last and Clare in '92. There's no fear of ye getting bet unless something goes badly amiss most years.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 11/12/2020 21:45:06    2321472

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Football is not finished per se, however it is finished in its current state, two ways to put things back on track, firstly get rid of the back door as this year's knock out championship has proven, secondly, bring in a score handicap, a previous poster said it shouldn't be a thing in a serious competition, in my view the back door shouldn't be a thing in a serious competition either, as someone who's been there done that and from a week county.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2463 - 11/12/2020 22:07:15    2321480

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "TBH I did nt see figures for this year or last year yet so I will take your word for it Username."
Sound Mick, pulled it from the 2019 GAA accounts.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4137 - 11/12/2020 22:46:01    2321486

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Replying To catch22:  "Mick , there's only 6 counties in Munster. That's another advantage Kerry have if you want to go down that road. All the other counties are predominantly hurling focused and only Cork can put up any sort of a challenge. 85 years since Tipp's last and Clare in '92. There's no fear of ye getting bet unless something goes badly amiss most years."
Ah look I'm not going to disagree catch. Can't argue with facts. Cork though have a proud football tradition also though.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2732 - 11/12/2020 22:48:41    2321487

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Replying To supersub15:  "Football is not finished per se, however it is finished in its current state, two ways to put things back on track, firstly get rid of the back door as this year's knock out championship has proven, secondly, bring in a score handicap, a previous poster said it shouldn't be a thing in a serious competition, in my view the back door shouldn't be a thing in a serious competition either, as someone who's been there done that and from a week county."
What team field sport at the top elite level employs a handicap in scoring?
Teams need more games in their primary competition of the year. Its ridiculous that many counties could play more games in their pre season leagues than in the championship.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2542 - 11/12/2020 22:58:49    2321489

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Replying To gatha:  "Although we weren't as dominant as Dublin is right now, I do remember when Kilkenny were on their run it did get a bit boring even for Kilkenny supporters, when they were going into certain matches where you knew the result before the game was played. When Kilkenny won in 2015 there was very little excitement going into the match. This is not intended to disrespect Galway but in Kilkenny we were fairly sure we were going to win. Now during that run Tipp gave us plenty of great matches. Mayo and Kerry have stood up to the Dubs in previous years and hopefully Mayo will do it again in the final. Dublin are running through most teams and I would guess the Dublin supporters would love an exciting closely contested All Ireland."
Its true, and I expect at least that tomorrow week!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8277 - 11/12/2020 23:09:05    2321490

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Pre note,, I've no idea of funding stats,,, I'll defer to your knowledge,, but wasn't the kerry board reduced to collecting money outside of masses a few year ago to pay for the team holiday?"
Not quite.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-20335403.html

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4137 - 11/12/2020 23:22:27    2321492

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Pre note,, I've no idea of funding stats,,, I'll defer to your knowledge,, but wasn't the kerry board reduced to collecting money outside of masses a few year ago to pay for the team holiday?"
The Kerry team holiday cost 310k in 2019, Diramuid Connolly must have been saying mass.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4137 - 11/12/2020 23:31:57    2321494

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Ah look I'm not going to disagree catch. Can't argue with facts. Cork though have a proud football tradition also though."
Yes they have a proud football tradition . but the facts are Kerry have 81 Munster titles
And cork dont even have half that with 37 Munster titles , Munster is even more messed up than Leinster

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2728 - 11/12/2020 23:59:29    2321499

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Replying To supersub15:  "Football is not finished per se, however it is finished in its current state, two ways to put things back on track, firstly get rid of the back door as this year's knock out championship has proven, secondly, bring in a score handicap, a previous poster said it shouldn't be a thing in a serious competition, in my view the back door shouldn't be a thing in a serious competition either, as someone who's been there done that and from a week county."
Only get rid of the back door if you completely overhaul the competition and seasons structures.
Counties need more games not far less.

A score handicap doesnt work. No sport at the top level does it. There is multiple competitions across wide range of sports that have some form of backdoor where if you lose you are not knocked out.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2542 - 12/12/2020 00:29:39    2321501

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This is one of the better and more factual summaries that I have read about the evolution of Dublin football from an organisational standpoint over the years, there doesn't appear to be any bias in it which is unusual for a piece on this topic. Good read in case anybody missed it:

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GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2098 - 12/12/2020 01:24:19    2321502

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