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El Clasico 2020 Monaghan Vs Cavan

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What in he name of God did we witness on Saturday?
What an absolute bloody joke, and an embarrassment more than anything else.
With 35 minutes of the game left, we decide to play keep ball, abandon all attacking play and just defend a 7-point lead, against a vastly insuperior division 3 team?? Was this for real? What sort of brains did it take to decide this?

You could possibly justify playing 'keep possession' in the last 10 minutes against a Dublin or a Kerry. Only maybe though. But against a division 3 team? And with 35 minutes left on the clock. I can't begin to describe my anger at this.

For once, we have some properly decent players, and not just one or two, there's a LOT of quality in that Monaghan team. We don't have to rely on one player, and then make up for the rest with cynical, defensive play anymore. Look how impressive we were for 15 minutes leading into half time, when we actually played football.

It's actually mind-blowing that anyone on the management panel would think this would work. I wish Cavan the very best of luck now, and I'll actually be shouting for them, but we're 10 to 15 points a better team than Cavan, and we ****** it up properly. It was actually a tougher task for us to throw away that match than it was to win it. Wonderful stuff altogether!

TomReilly (Monaghan) - Posts: 11 - 02/11/2020 12:03:36    2304350

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Replying To TheJackel:  "The Banty is a Salesman but that's no addition when you trying to win a football match at this level. When he first got the job, the county set was changing as was the county game. He arrived at the perfect time but not without some struggles. He sold himself off the back of a strong and experienced mgt set up. At the first wobble he sold them out and replaced them. He organised and put some structure to Monaghan that was new to all and the rewards where repped. But he had a great panel at a time when club football was very strong, county titles shared round between clubs. But in big games he could never get over the line, right matches often lost and restored to using same players all the time, even taking them off and on. Small victories celebrated from great heights.
Defeat in Enniskillen to an average Fermanagh team when Monaghan where red hot favourites for ulster. He had them worked up to such a state that they froze on the day. He'd security at the gates of Cloghan such was the frenzy he had them in.
The county board moved to get rid and we remember how that had to go in the end.
The sales man returned after that he dined off his profile in the media for years. Linking himself to big jobs, even been quoted on RTE1 radio dismissing his interest in the Dublin job before Jim Gavin was appointed. Pure fantasy stuff.
When he did get jobs, he couldn't keep them. They've no fond memories in Meath or Wexford. He has never been linked to club jobs as he not a coach. Giving him a job at club level would need a small mortgage as he will need 2/3 men with him.
He got a very good u17 and won with them but it was hard football to watch. Similar to what was seen last Saturday. Slow possession first football, relying on 1 or 2 forwards and ball going backwards.
But the one thing he good at, selling himself to a group of players who wanted for nothing. Look after them very well and they live by words and the performances follow. This isn't a bad thing but takes the flair and thinking on feet out of teams.
Got the U20 job on back if this but was a massive disappointment. His ability to buy the players is less when they older. This team was horses into the ground from October and by the time games game round they where disinterested and had heard all before over months and months. Don't think they won a game on what was a good squad.
One again the salesman cam to the fore and he got the senior job. Sold his set up to county board and was paying for it as well. Promised the county board and the panel the earth, moon and the stars and can deliver this. Everyone will be looked after. Talks a great game and organized to the last.
But a salesman is always found out when he has to deliver the product and the Banty can't do that. Started in Croke Park V Dublin, big lead and he had to get the Corduff man on. His selectors didn't agree but he went ahead anyway and game was drew. Hasn't been same since, albeit in a very strange year.

Rest of league was very hit and miss. Schooled by Kerry. Lucky V Meath. There is nothing original in his thinking as a manager. Resorts to throwing a defender up front (Colin Walshe) cause it worked for 10 minutes V Tyrone in an Ulster final when result was long gone. He took off forwards for midfielders, midfielders went off for forwards. By end of game it was impossible to know what actual team shape was. Totally unwilling to trust or chance younger players - Woods gets 10 minutes here and there or a half at best. Lavelle left sitting looking on. And then he comes out talking about the "web" after the game, trying to use phrases and terms like he trying to dress up a game plan.
I'm sure in coming days he will go back into salesman mode. He'll sell out some of the players (like he done after the game), he'll blame covid, he'll suggest a few changes in the backroom team and then bring another few quid to the table to keep the nodding dogs happy across the table.
And next year we will be no better. Will go all out in securing Div1 status and call it a victory. Fall in Ulster and half a run in back door at best. But ultimately, achieve nothing."
That about sums it up SO FAR. You left out the part about people enabling him to do it. Be interesting to see if the local media in any way hold him accountable for the fiasco on Saturday. If not we're just pushing rope, p*****g against the wind etc etc

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 831 - 02/11/2020 14:32:48    2304431

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "That about sums it up SO FAR. You left out the part about people enabling him to do it. Be interesting to see if the local media in any way hold him accountable for the fiasco on Saturday. If not we're just pushing rope, p*****g against the wind etc etc"
The local media won't hold him to account, it's up to supporters to lobby their club to put forward a motion of no confidence in the Management team.

The players have spoken about his great backroom team and if you looked for something Banty would get it for you.

Even the senior players peddled the line that Tony McEntee had no experience.

Winning an All Ireland Club title and being right hand man to Stephen Rochford when they should have won the All Ireland, is a dam sight more experience than relegating Corduff,Monaghan Harps, Monaghan and Meath.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1854 - 02/11/2020 14:55:36    2304441

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Replying To shaggylegend:  "The local media won't hold him to account, it's up to supporters to lobby their club to put forward a motion of no confidence in the Management team.

The players have spoken about his great backroom team and if you looked for something Banty would get it for you.

Even the senior players peddled the line that Tony McEntee had no experience.

Winning an All Ireland Club title and being right hand man to Stephen Rochford when they should have won the All Ireland, is a dam sight more experience than relegating Corduff,Monaghan Harps, Monaghan and Meath."
It is AGM season so we wait and see what GAA members do. Be interesting to see if all the senior players takie the blame for Saturday lying down, if they do we're goosed for 2 more years at least.
It'll be packaged as mistakes were made I'd say

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 831 - 02/11/2020 15:11:28    2304449

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Replying To TomReilly:  "What in he name of God did we witness on Saturday?
What an absolute bloody joke, and an embarrassment more than anything else.
With 35 minutes of the game left, we decide to play keep ball, abandon all attacking play and just defend a 7-point lead, against a vastly insuperior division 3 team?? Was this for real? What sort of brains did it take to decide this?

You could possibly justify playing 'keep possession' in the last 10 minutes against a Dublin or a Kerry. Only maybe though. But against a division 3 team? And with 35 minutes left on the clock. I can't begin to describe my anger at this.

For once, we have some properly decent players, and not just one or two, there's a LOT of quality in that Monaghan team. We don't have to rely on one player, and then make up for the rest with cynical, defensive play anymore. Look how impressive we were for 15 minutes leading into half time, when we actually played football.

It's actually mind-blowing that anyone on the management panel would think this would work. I wish Cavan the very best of luck now, and I'll actually be shouting for them, but we're 10 to 15 points a better team than Cavan, and we ****** it up properly. It was actually a tougher task for us to throw away that match than it was to win it. Wonderful stuff altogether!"
Replying to all those loyal followers of the Farney outraged at the debacle that unfolded in Clones last Saturday. Here's why I believe we lost and continue losing:


We have Conor Laverty and Peter Donnelly in our management team, along with Seamus Mc Enaney.
Many thought, on appointment, that Mc Enaney's role was back room organizer. looking after team affairs, promotions etc.

The other two have the following CVs;

Laverty. Played for Down in the All Ireland Final 2010. Obviously coached at a high level towards that end. Captain of Kilcoo that won their first Down title, this and got to the All Ireland Club Final, losing against the best club team of recent times, Corofin. This man knows what is required at the highest level.

Donnelly. Captained Tyrone Minors to win all Ireland, played on Tyrone teams that won All Irelands at under 21 and senior level 2005/2008. Glowing track record as coach and conditioning coach in both Cavan and Tyrone. This man knows what required at the highest level.

Many thought, on appointment, that Mc Eneaney's role was back -room organizer. looking after team affairs, promotions etc.

Turns out that he, with a less than impressive CV in managing senior football, (posted by Eddie the Exile recently for all to see), is actually in charge of team selection, tactics , substitutions and anything else that happens on the field of play.

The culprits for this state of affairs is the County Board. No county would have produced a management team of this order. There are further questions for the Board arising from all of this; to do with the style of football being coached throughout he County.

Are we coaching that the game is played by keeping the ball and conceding less scores that the opposition. Where forwards play as backs?

or,

Are we coaching that the game is played by scoring more than the opposition, developing forwards to win the games?


Of course it is not all one one or the other, but the signs have been there now for some years that we play the defensive game. As a result we blunt the natural talent of forwards to score.

Taking off OHanlon and McCarthy says something about how our forwards are viewed, not physically defending enough?

The defence has 7 players, add a midfielder and a wing forward, that's 9. Surely enough to defend?

Not so, because when you bring your forwards back to defend, you invite the opposition defenders to join in the attack, thus creating bedlam in your own goalmouth. As we have seen far too often

FootblockREF (Monaghan) 2 /11 2020 asks that "everyone should take time out for possibly dwelling on good tactics and the positives, (5 seconds should be enough"

I am haunted by the spectacle of Rory Beggan prancing about in his own half playing keep- ball with his team mates. I understand that he is a coach.

Highcatch (Monaghan) - Posts: 25 - 02/11/2020 15:20:33    2304455

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in the last 80 years, Monaghan have won Ulster 4 times. when you take out Antrim/ Fermanagh who lets face it will never properly compete in Ulster there is 5 other teams, we are competing against. We have won one Ulster championship match this last 5 year going into 6 years. Yes that's right one win.

The year we got to the ALSF we beat Wexford, Leitrim, Waterford,Laois,Kildare and a Galway team already qualified. We have never beaten a Mayo, Kerry, Dublin, Cork team in championship football.

We have one of the smallest population in Ireland with no traditional of winning, We have never won an All Ireland and probably will never win one. Only one maybe two of our players would get on the team/panel of the big 4 or 5.

Who ever wins against Monaghan or Cavan it doesn't real matter as when it comes to the business end we will be long forgotten about.

It doesn't matter if we get Tony Mac, Pep, Jose or Jim McGuiness in charge as 2 or 3 years of being in charge we will be looking for their head and we will be on the look out for the Messiah who was done wonders with some Ulster club.

The sad reality as a proud Monaghan supporter, we are the Tranmere of the GAA and until people except that we have mangers / players that are doing the very best that they can do, we will forever looking to the next Messiah to turn things around.

patmouse (Monaghan) - Posts: 61 - 02/11/2020 15:51:00    2304467

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Replying To TomReilly:  "What in he name of God did we witness on Saturday?
What an absolute bloody joke, and an embarrassment more than anything else.
With 35 minutes of the game left, we decide to play keep ball, abandon all attacking play and just defend a 7-point lead, against a vastly insuperior division 3 team?? Was this for real? What sort of brains did it take to decide this?

You could possibly justify playing 'keep possession' in the last 10 minutes against a Dublin or a Kerry. Only maybe though. But against a division 3 team? And with 35 minutes left on the clock. I can't begin to describe my anger at this.

For once, we have some properly decent players, and not just one or two, there's a LOT of quality in that Monaghan team. We don't have to rely on one player, and then make up for the rest with cynical, defensive play anymore. Look how impressive we were for 15 minutes leading into half time, when we actually played football.

It's actually mind-blowing that anyone on the management panel would think this would work. I wish Cavan the very best of luck now, and I'll actually be shouting for them, but we're 10 to 15 points a better team than Cavan, and we ****** it up properly. It was actually a tougher task for us to throw away that match than it was to win it. Wonderful stuff altogether!"
Tom, not taking this very well are you lol

Monaghan have never in the 100+year history of the GAA been a 10-15 points better team than Cavan and vice versa, even when we were winning 5 All Irelands we were never wiping the floor with Monaghan. Sorry to burst that bubble. So calm down a bit lad.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1344 - 02/11/2020 16:43:59    2304504

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Replying To patmouse:  "in the last 80 years, Monaghan have won Ulster 4 times. when you take out Antrim/ Fermanagh who lets face it will never properly compete in Ulster there is 5 other teams, we are competing against. We have won one Ulster championship match this last 5 year going into 6 years. Yes that's right one win.

The year we got to the ALSF we beat Wexford, Leitrim, Waterford,Laois,Kildare and a Galway team already qualified. We have never beaten a Mayo, Kerry, Dublin, Cork team in championship football.

We have one of the smallest population in Ireland with no traditional of winning, We have never won an All Ireland and probably will never win one. Only one maybe two of our players would get on the team/panel of the big 4 or 5.

Who ever wins against Monaghan or Cavan it doesn't real matter as when it comes to the business end we will be long forgotten about.

It doesn't matter if we get Tony Mac, Pep, Jose or Jim McGuiness in charge as 2 or 3 years of being in charge we will be looking for their head and we will be on the look out for the Messiah who was done wonders with some Ulster club.

The sad reality as a proud Monaghan supporter, we are the Tranmere of the GAA and until people except that we have mangers / players that are doing the very best that they can do, we will forever looking to the next Messiah to turn things around."
Almost none of that is right.

In the last 41 years....5 ulsters. 1979, 1985, 1988, 2013 and 2015.

In the last 4 years we have beat Down (2016), Fermanagh and Cavan (2017) and Tyrone (2018). We won Ulster in 2015.

We have made Ulster final appearances in 2007, 2010 and 2014.I have been lucky enough to go to the finals in 2013 and 2015 to see us win. Our neighbours in Cavan are waiting 23 years, in Derry 22 years....in Down 26 years to win the province.

Tranmere of the GAA? I don't agree with soccer comparisons anyway but thats nonsense. We should be doing better with the current squad.

Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 189 - 02/11/2020 17:20:05    2304519

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In the last 80 years, Monaghan have won Ulster 4 times. when you take out Antrim/ Fermanagh who lets face it will never properly compete in Ulster there is 5 other teams, we are competing against. We have won one Ulster championship match this last 5 year going into 6 years. Yes that's right one win.
Monaghan have won 5 Ulsters in the last 40 odd years and played in 8 finals. That is a reasonable return for a smaller county. All successes were built on having an quiet, intelligent manager surrounded by a core group of quality players and major buy-in from the panel. Lack of depth has always been the downfall in Croke Park but not lack of will or organisation

The year we got to the ALSF we beat Wexford, Leitrim, Waterford,Laois,Kildare and a Galway team already qualified. We have never beaten a Mayo, Kerry, Dublin, Cork team in championship football.
True. But Cork won the All Ireland in 2010 beating Cavan, Wexford, Leitrim, Roscommon and Down. Did anyone hesitate handing them the trophy? In recent history, Monaghan have taken out the reigning All Ireland champions twice in Ulster.

We have one of the smallest population in Ireland with no traditional of winning, We have never won an All Ireland and probably will never win one. Only one maybe two of our players would get on the team/panel of the big 4 or 5.

The same could have been said about Donegal in the autumn of 1991, Armagh in 2001, Tyrone in 2002, Derry in 1992. The following year, due to intelligence at the head of a quality group of players, the situation changed. All the more reason Monaghan need someone who knows what is like to be in a winners dressing room. Anyway, this is not about wining all Ireland's it's about doing the right thing in a first round Ulster game. failing that test is not acceptable.

Who ever wins against Monaghan or Cavan it doesn't real matter as when it comes to the business end we will be long forgotten about.

It matters to a lot of people today who won that game. And real football people will remember that second half for a very long time.

It doesn't matter if we get Tony Mac, Pep, Jose or Jim McGuiness in charge as 2 or 3 years of being in charge we will be looking for their head and we will be on the look out for the Messiah who was done wonders with some Ulster club.
Not true. There was no Messiah on Saturday, but there was a mess alright. Monaghan need an intelligent manager with a track record as a winner. Would McEntee or Harte have done what was done at the weekend? No. They would have sent out their team to finish off a team low in confidence before the water break.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 741 - 02/11/2020 17:21:16    2304522

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Replying To patmouse:  "in the last 80 years, Monaghan have won Ulster 4 times. when you take out Antrim/ Fermanagh who lets face it will never properly compete in Ulster there is 5 other teams, we are competing against. We have won one Ulster championship match this last 5 year going into 6 years. Yes that's right one win.

The year we got to the ALSF we beat Wexford, Leitrim, Waterford,Laois,Kildare and a Galway team already qualified. We have never beaten a Mayo, Kerry, Dublin, Cork team in championship football.

We have one of the smallest population in Ireland with no traditional of winning, We have never won an All Ireland and probably will never win one. Only one maybe two of our players would get on the team/panel of the big 4 or 5.

Who ever wins against Monaghan or Cavan it doesn't real matter as when it comes to the business end we will be long forgotten about.

It doesn't matter if we get Tony Mac, Pep, Jose or Jim McGuiness in charge as 2 or 3 years of being in charge we will be looking for their head and we will be on the look out for the Messiah who was done wonders with some Ulster club.

The sad reality as a proud Monaghan supporter, we are the Tranmere of the GAA and until people except that we have mangers / players that are doing the very best that they can do, we will forever looking to the next Messiah to turn things around."
You're glass half empty as usual aren't you?

Sure why bother having any championship matches. Let's just send Kerry and Dublin straight to the football final and Kilkenny and Tipp to the hurling. Perhaps the NBA will do the same with the Celtics and Lakers or Steelers and Cowboys in NFL. Just let Man United and Liverpool play each other 38 times a season and to hell with the rest.

Have you no idea what it's like to be a Monaghan fan? This is being a Monaghan fan.

Walking out of Clones in 2002 after Rory Gallagher scored more than our whole team combined. Losing to Kerry in '07, Fermanagh in '08 and to Kerry again. Leaving the Athletic grounds in 2012 after losing to Down. The Tyrone games of 2007, 2010, getting soaked in Omagh in 2011. The QF defeat to them in 2013 and wanting to murder Sean Cavanagh. Losing to them again in 2015 the semi final in 2018 when I punched a hole in the coffee table. The Longford shambles in 2016 - the last game I saw before emigrating.

Then there other moments, McCarron's goal in '93 at my first ever game. Enniskillen in 2001, The last game in the league in 2005 v Longford with Japs' miraculous point which lead to Croker and that crazy finish v Meath. In Omagh v Donegal in 2007 and the hours it took to get home. The Ulster titles. Watching great players like Freeman, Finlay, McQuaid, Corey, Mone, Lennon, McManus and others.

Going to play league games in Kerry and expecting to win or that sense of dread on a Sunday morning even though you're playing Antrim at home. That's it right there!!!

Did you read Malachy Clerkin's piece in the Times today? Go and read it, that will get you up to speed on what it's like to follow Monaghan...

Adler (Monaghan) - Posts: 753 - 02/11/2020 18:01:43    2304541

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His piece today in the Times was a 'cut out and keep' classic, it caught Saturday's mood exactly.

moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 399 - 02/11/2020 18:58:45    2304571

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Replying To moodoo:  "His piece today in the Times was a 'cut out and keep' classic, it caught Saturday's mood exactly."
It was class right down to the conversation with his missus exactly the same one I had with mine. That horrible sinking feeling of defeat that defines your entire weekend even Monday morning the texts on the phone from mates from other counties asking where it went wrong following a game we should have won thats following monaghan well part of it anyhow had great days also. Look we are just supporters and I wouldnt criticise the players some of whom have given us some great moments of pride and joy . It is just horrible to see a team not doing themselves justice on the day due to the bizarre defensive mindset banty engrained in them in that second half.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1515 - 02/11/2020 19:55:46    2304591

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I find it quite ironic that a lot of people giving out on here since Saturday would be the same people calling for bantys head if he had of blooded young lads and rested the older older lads in the league which would have resulted in certain relegation..people can't have the best of both worlds.. I said before on here people have an unhealthy obsession with the league and the so called importance of staying division 1.. as the old saying goes leagues are for playing in and championships are for winning...

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 279 - 02/11/2020 21:18:10    2304617

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Certainly will be interesting to see what comes about from this result but the wrong man is in the Monaghan hot seat. Alot of yea men in the county board so doubt there will be change.

Bantys turgid run at intercounty goes on
Remember wexford in a rainy clones in 06, enniskillen in 08, Celtic park in 09, the two hidings in 2010 which brought his end. He even embarrassed himself in meath, fistpumping and goading a win over Monaghan ironically in the league before losing limply to an average laois team. He had big plans in wexford, walked at the first hurdle after carlow outsmarted him. Threw his hat into the cavan job as well. Dont get me wrong, helped revive Monaghan but tactically when its came to game management its been poor and very lame. I do believe there was enough experience on the field to beat cavan on Saturday but banty made some poor calls as well as highlighted on here. A bit of both I guess but Monaghan are going no where under him. Dont be fooled.

Random though why did began not kick the last free in normal time ?

222 (UK) - Posts: 535 - 02/11/2020 21:23:54    2304620

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I must say, I had written off any interest in the championship but the closer it gets the more I am getting that sick feeling in the gut. The more I think about it the more hopeful I am becoming. That is not good!

Reasons for optimism

Midfield- this is they key one. if Thomas Galligan starts I think we have the clear edge. Meath wiped the floor with Monaghan the last day and they have very few real options. Niall Kearns would tip the scales in the other direction but he is going to miss out. James Smith adds to the advantage for sure

Gearoid- he is due a big game. maybe not from midfield though. If he can get 3-4 points from half forward we are moving towards win

Fitness- Cavan were stuck to the ground early on against Roscommon but still finished stronger. i am taking that as an indication of training schedule not lack of conditioning

Scoring rate- referred to on the podcast how many chances the team are creating. Increase conversion by a few percentage points and it moves the scoring up significantly. Some days they just go over. Saturday maybe?

Monaghan's back line- unusually leaky of late. They are missing the big presence of Corey, Walsh and Mone. Drew Wylie has gone missing. Strange to say but they have not got that much cover defensively looking at their bench for the last 2 games

Stop McManus, stop Monaghan. We have heard a lot about the players coming through- Hanlon, McCarthy, Woods etc but they have not delivered big scores in any game. Cavan's defence knows what it has to do.

The X factor- Cavan's route to victory is unknown outside the panel. Stephen Smith, James Smith, Pierson, Cormac O'Reilly, Conor Smith. We know the quality of these lads and any one of them can make their name in 2 days time. That's a big contrast to the 'McManus plus 14' team facing us.

Tactical awareness- Mickey Graham has been struggling with circumstance but he has that innate football brain. I would back him to be able to prep a plan for the lesser team on paper. Seamus McEnaney has won nothing of note in a long career and seems to be reliant on being able to get a mercenary group of advisers in place. He also seems to panic in response to second half changes in momentum, with poor sub decisions made. Cavan have been finishing games well and can exploit that.

Discipline- most of Cavan's red card merchants have departed the scene. Monaghan have a few lads who regularly get the line when it matters. Ciaran Brannigan has history with a few of them so Cavan should ramp up the pressure from the off.

Slow starters v poor finishers is what we have. If Cavan can be within 3 to 5 points at half time then I think they will win the game.
MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 479 - 29/10/2020 11:09:13 23


Well lads, I tried to tell yis. Send Banty over to me some evening and I will school him a bit more if yous want.
Up Cavan!

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 489 - 03/11/2020 10:34:41    2304708

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "I must say, I had written off any interest in the championship but the closer it gets the more I am getting that sick feeling in the gut. The more I think about it the more hopeful I am becoming. That is not good!

Reasons for optimism

Midfield- this is they key one. if Thomas Galligan starts I think we have the clear edge. Meath wiped the floor with Monaghan the last day and they have very few real options. Niall Kearns would tip the scales in the other direction but he is going to miss out. James Smith adds to the advantage for sure

Gearoid- he is due a big game. maybe not from midfield though. If he can get 3-4 points from half forward we are moving towards win

Fitness- Cavan were stuck to the ground early on against Roscommon but still finished stronger. i am taking that as an indication of training schedule not lack of conditioning

Scoring rate- referred to on the podcast how many chances the team are creating. Increase conversion by a few percentage points and it moves the scoring up significantly. Some days they just go over. Saturday maybe?

Monaghan's back line- unusually leaky of late. They are missing the big presence of Corey, Walsh and Mone. Drew Wylie has gone missing. Strange to say but they have not got that much cover defensively looking at their bench for the last 2 games

Stop McManus, stop Monaghan. We have heard a lot about the players coming through- Hanlon, McCarthy, Woods etc but they have not delivered big scores in any game. Cavan's defence knows what it has to do.

The X factor- Cavan's route to victory is unknown outside the panel. Stephen Smith, James Smith, Pierson, Cormac O'Reilly, Conor Smith. We know the quality of these lads and any one of them can make their name in 2 days time. That's a big contrast to the 'McManus plus 14' team facing us.

Tactical awareness- Mickey Graham has been struggling with circumstance but he has that innate football brain. I would back him to be able to prep a plan for the lesser team on paper. Seamus McEnaney has won nothing of note in a long career and seems to be reliant on being able to get a mercenary group of advisers in place. He also seems to panic in response to second half changes in momentum, with poor sub decisions made. Cavan have been finishing games well and can exploit that.

Discipline- most of Cavan's red card merchants have departed the scene. Monaghan have a few lads who regularly get the line when it matters. Ciaran Brannigan has history with a few of them so Cavan should ramp up the pressure from the off.

Slow starters v poor finishers is what we have. If Cavan can be within 3 to 5 points at half time then I think they will win the game.
MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 479 - 29/10/2020 11:09:13 23


Well lads, I tried to tell yis. Send Banty over to me some evening and I will school him a bit more if yous want.
Up Cavan!"
Best of luck to Cavan in the rest of the championship Madge.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 844 - 03/11/2020 11:32:19    2304739

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Just had a lovely dream this morning, that the group that was set up to find the best man to replace Banty were lined up and shot with a ball of their own dung and the county chairman was given 50 lashes in front of the courthouse.. dare to dream

stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 134 - 04/11/2020 10:29:07    2305031

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Replace Mr Malachi o Rourke I meant

stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 134 - 04/11/2020 13:02:11    2305098

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Replying To FootblockREF:  "I encourage everyone to take time out of your day for "possibly dwelling on good tactics and the positives". 5 seconds should be enough."
I have never heard as much yapping about a team going out of the C ship as much in all my life, All this bad mouthing about Banty, Not a word about players missing handy scores ,defending properly ect ,I would also bet if any of you meet Banty or any of the players you would be like lambs, Not as if your serial winners like,

germac (Down) - Posts: 295 - 04/11/2020 20:17:55    2305202

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "I must say, I had written off any interest in the championship but the closer it gets the more I am getting that sick feeling in the gut. The more I think about it the more hopeful I am becoming. That is not good!

Reasons for optimism

Midfield- this is they key one. if Thomas Galligan starts I think we have the clear edge. Meath wiped the floor with Monaghan the last day and they have very few real options. Niall Kearns would tip the scales in the other direction but he is going to miss out. James Smith adds to the advantage for sure

Gearoid- he is due a big game. maybe not from midfield though. If he can get 3-4 points from half forward we are moving towards win

Fitness- Cavan were stuck to the ground early on against Roscommon but still finished stronger. i am taking that as an indication of training schedule not lack of conditioning

Scoring rate- referred to on the podcast how many chances the team are creating. Increase conversion by a few percentage points and it moves the scoring up significantly. Some days they just go over. Saturday maybe?

Monaghan's back line- unusually leaky of late. They are missing the big presence of Corey, Walsh and Mone. Drew Wylie has gone missing. Strange to say but they have not got that much cover defensively looking at their bench for the last 2 games

Stop McManus, stop Monaghan. We have heard a lot about the players coming through- Hanlon, McCarthy, Woods etc but they have not delivered big scores in any game. Cavan's defence knows what it has to do.

The X factor- Cavan's route to victory is unknown outside the panel. Stephen Smith, James Smith, Pierson, Cormac O'Reilly, Conor Smith. We know the quality of these lads and any one of them can make their name in 2 days time. That's a big contrast to the 'McManus plus 14' team facing us.

Tactical awareness- Mickey Graham has been struggling with circumstance but he has that innate football brain. I would back him to be able to prep a plan for the lesser team on paper. Seamus McEnaney has won nothing of note in a long career and seems to be reliant on being able to get a mercenary group of advisers in place. He also seems to panic in response to second half changes in momentum, with poor sub decisions made. Cavan have been finishing games well and can exploit that.

Discipline- most of Cavan's red card merchants have departed the scene. Monaghan have a few lads who regularly get the line when it matters. Ciaran Brannigan has history with a few of them so Cavan should ramp up the pressure from the off.

Slow starters v poor finishers is what we have. If Cavan can be within 3 to 5 points at half time then I think they will win the game.
MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 479 - 29/10/2020 11:09:13 23


Well lads, I tried to tell yis. Send Banty over to me some evening and I will school him a bit more if yous want.
Up Cavan!"
Fair play Madge, pretty bang on! Don't beat yourself up too much about being a couple of points out with the half time score...

BreffniGael (Cavan) - Posts: 4 - 04/11/2020 21:14:58    2305217

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