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Stephen Rochford would the person to approach and possibly get Martin Corey as trainer.
The county board has a serious job replacing Malachy and we can't afford to go back to the past either.

This team owes us nothing and no doubt Malachy will be guiding another county in the not too distant future.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1841 - 23/06/2019 09:16:02    2198837

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Replying To stoneygrey:  "Banty ? I for one wouldn't go near a county game if that happens , nothing from the current management please ,, new thinking needed here , firstly we will see what the county board is made of now , can they think outside the box ?? Testing times for them .. the less school teachers the better .. There is still a good core team here and hopefully the full potential of what is in the county is used . Bring in the few rebel players , bring in a management team with guts who knows what it is to earn their crust the hard way, a team with fire in their belly , a manager that can bring in the youth and rotate them , has the balls to drop players that aren't good enough , that doesn't create a golden circle , there is one man capable of this in the county who is silently plugging away with the under 17's .. Nothing named in the above posts would have any impact whatsoever, all we would get is a name everyone knew"
What's your problem with teachers? Last two Monaghan managers to lift the Anglo Celt and bring the county to all ireland semifinals were teachers. The teachers of the country are one of the main assets our association has, spending countless hours on a voluntary basis, outside of work hours training Cumann na mBunscol and second level teams. I fact managing a team is a lot like managing a class. If anyone develops the skills needed to man manage and motivate a diverse group people, each with their own personalities and needs, its a teacher.

The management team you describe in your post is exactly what a Banty management team would bring. Perfect candidate to blood new players and get them playing with fire in their belly as you say.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1070 - 23/06/2019 09:28:46    2198845

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I would agree with the previous post regarding Banty coming back in.. it would be a disaster if this happens and would confirm what the county board are....we need more than fist pumps on the line for the camera..... a rebuilding phase now awaits but there's a lot to be positive about great structures are in place in the county and we will rise again.. we as supporters just need to be patient and give the new gaffer time to rebuild.. as I said last year it's just a pity we didn't go to division 2 which would be a more forgiving environment to blood players but these young players will have to learn fast

thanks Malachi and the players for the memories and best of luck in the future.. it's been a great journey and one I will never forget

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 265 - 23/06/2019 09:47:20    2198850

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As a critic of malachy, I wanna thank him. First of all I want to thank him for stepping down. Secondly, and more importantly, I want to thank him for 2013 and 2015. Those were great days.. I wish I had the balls mal has to do what he does but unfortunately I don't and I'll forever be a keyboard warrior with the benefit of hindsight lol... He'll go on and take another job and bring moderate success to a poor county. I think that's his fortay.

As for monaghan. I'm worried.. I wish malachy stood down a wee bit earlier. We're a team relying heavily on the older lads.. It kinda reminds me of when fergie left united. And look at them now (altho that makes me happy)...

On a side note, I think I'll be a donegal fan for the rest of the year. What they have done in the last 3 years is exactly what I wish we could've done.. They took a step back, reassessed and now they're genuine contenders..

MalsBalls (Monaghan) - Posts: 104 - 23/06/2019 10:29:21    2198869

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A tough morning after such great days with Mal & the boys. I suppose this day would always come. Am sure there will be a few retirements from the panel as well. This current team have brought a renewed passion for the game throughout the county, so I don't see this as an end, just the next beginning. All teams transition but I don't see us entering a wilderness - the structures & the passion is there, so the Farney Army will march on. Would love if there was someone from within that would be up to the management role - it's a well known fact that county teams get the greatest success when managed by one of there own. Not close enough to the clubs to know what's there? Any suggestions? I certainly wouldn't be supportive of the Corduff option.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 798 - 23/06/2019 10:53:14    2198881

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Replying To greysoil:  "A tough morning after such great days with Mal & the boys. I suppose this day would always come. Am sure there will be a few retirements from the panel as well. This current team have brought a renewed passion for the game throughout the county, so I don't see this as an end, just the next beginning. All teams transition but I don't see us entering a wilderness - the structures & the passion is there, so the Farney Army will march on. Would love if there was someone from within that would be up to the management role - it's a well known fact that county teams get the greatest success when managed by one of there own. Not close enough to the clubs to know what's there? Any suggestions? I certainly wouldn't be supportive of the Corduff option."
Management is not a one man show anymore, it requires an attacking strategy with a specialist in that area, defensive strategy etc etc and in this case a new fresh approach to training.

The country is full of old bluffers that take over good underage teams to get a name for themselves (only ride the best horses). Just watched the Munster final from last night and Armagh would have beat Kerry out the gate. Just hoping the individual talent on the pitch got them home in the end seemed to be the strategy.

Banty? Why did he not get the Cavan job, where are they now? Why did he not get the Donegal job, where are they now? Meath? Wexford? He is only as good as the crew he has with him, Freeman for example (who has to be on the next management set up).
Football has moved on, we need a shrewd man at the helm that can respond to on field and off field adjustments as required
Why was the mid field situation not addressed, should Lennon not have prioritised that area or demanded new talent, surely Kearns coming back could not have been the only option
For as long as I remember we always played a hard running game and we have the talent to maintain Div 1 next year should we return to that and even if we don't, so what, consider it a free shot. I can name 10 - 12 of that squad to build a team around.
Get a fresh faced management team in and they will be chomping at the bit to get back at it, imagine how the Fermanagh players feel having to go back to that s**t in November.
Malachy's one fault was his loyalty to the tried and trusted, a natural human failing which proved to be his undoing. I for one will not be overly critical of him, best of luck to him.
Break will do us all no harm now

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 774 - 23/06/2019 12:05:35    2198899

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One thing really struck me yesterday was Armagh willingness to get the ball in first time to their forwards. Over the years we have probably been too slow to get the ball forward with the emphasis on the running game instead of the kicking game.

We have talent, McCarthy, O'Hanlon and McManus, it's difficult for these players to operate in tight congested area which is often the case. We need to develop a strategy to more the ball quicker.

I suggest Rochford earlier. But maybe Tony McEntee would be the perfect man for the post, Crossmaglen are renowned for moving the ball quick with the foot.

I think the majority of the county are fearful of the return of the Corduff man. During a transition period the team needs a guardian over the team, not people interested in self promotion.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1841 - 23/06/2019 12:42:35    2198911

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U20's playing in QF of Ulster against Cavan at 4pm next Sunday. Get out support the lads. These are the players new management will be building on.

FarneyLenny (Monaghan) - Posts: 110 - 23/06/2019 12:45:23    2198913

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Replying To shaggylegend:  "One thing really struck me yesterday was Armagh willingness to get the ball in first time to their forwards. Over the years we have probably been too slow to get the ball forward with the emphasis on the running game instead of the kicking game.

We have talent, McCarthy, O'Hanlon and McManus, it's difficult for these players to operate in tight congested area which is often the case. We need to develop a strategy to more the ball quicker.

I suggest Rochford earlier. But maybe Tony McEntee would be the perfect man for the post, Crossmaglen are renowned for moving the ball quick with the foot.

I think the majority of the county are fearful of the return of the Corduff man. During a transition period the team needs a guardian over the team, not people interested in self promotion."
Absolutely agree, the thing is we do have the talent in attack, and there are some great prospects coming through from the underage sides too. There just needs to be a change in style to get the best out of the attack.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 865 - 23/06/2019 13:34:24    2198936

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Agree with shaggy, mc entee from cross would
a good appointment, couldn't think of anything
worse than the Banty, he would set us back somewhat

binman53 (Monaghan) - Posts: 104 - 23/06/2019 13:42:56    2198944

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Can't believe Banty is even being talked about, what we need is a fresh voice and ideas, not going backwards.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 865 - 23/06/2019 14:11:40    2198960

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Surely Niall Moyna has to be in the conversation. He has a great in-depth knowledge of the game and has managed (successfully) some of the best players on the country and against some of the best players on the country.

LaraghSavage (Monaghan) - Posts: 1 - 23/06/2019 18:02:53    2199154

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Replying To patk:  "Can't believe Banty is even being talked about, what we need is a fresh voice and ideas, not going backwards."
Explain it to me? Why would d it be going backwards?

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1070 - 23/06/2019 18:48:40    2199214

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Replying To supermon:  "Explain it to me? Why would d it be going backwards?"
Got Corduff relegated
Got Monaghan Harps relegated
Got Monaghan (county) relegated
Got Meath relegated.

Jumped ship from the minor team after one year.
Left yesterday game with 15 minutes to go...

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1841 - 23/06/2019 19:28:51    2199259

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Replying To shaggylegend:  "One thing really struck me yesterday was Armagh willingness to get the ball in first time to their forwards. Over the years we have probably been too slow to get the ball forward with the emphasis on the running game instead of the kicking game.

We have talent, McCarthy, O'Hanlon and McManus, it's difficult for these players to operate in tight congested area which is often the case. We need to develop a strategy to more the ball quicker.

I suggest Rochford earlier. But maybe Tony McEntee would be the perfect man for the post, Crossmaglen are renowned for moving the ball quick with the foot.

I think the majority of the county are fearful of the return of the Corduff man. During a transition period the team needs a guardian over the team, not people interested in self promotion."
Liam Kerns by far the best record of available managers.

Liam Kearns coached Na Piarsaigh to the Limerick U21 Football Championship in 1997, the club's only U21 football county title, a team that contained Declan Lynch (Head of Sports Medicine Bath Rugby), Mike Prendergast (Assistant Coach to Grenoble), Ian Costello (Former Backs Coach to Munster) and captained by Comdt Joe Mullins.

Kearns is highly regarded as a manager and coach and during his spell with Limerick he turned them into the second team in Munster as they outshone Cork.

He managed the Limerick under 21 side to successive Munster titles and to an All-Ireland Under-21 Football Championship final appearance. In 2003 he led Limerick to a Division 2 National Football League final where they were beaten by Westmeath on the same day that Laois lost to Tyrone in the Division 1 decider.

The following year he was in charge when Limerick beat Laois in a Division 1 National Football League tie at the Gaelic Grounds and that year Limerick reached the Munster Senior Football Championship final which they lost on a replay to Kerry.

In 2010 he led Aherlow to the Tipperary Senior Football Championship.

In November 2015, Kearns was named as the new manager of the Tipperary senior football team.[1][2][3] In June 2016, Tipperary reached the Munster final after a 3-15 to 2-16 win against Cork. They went on to defeat Derry by 1-21 to 2-17 in round 3A of the qualifiers to reach the All Ireland Quarter-finals for the first time.[4] On 31 July 2016, Tipperary defeated Galway in the 2016 All-Ireland Quarter-finals at Croke Park to reach their first All-Ireland semi-final since 1935.[5][6][7] On 21 August 2016, Tipperary were beaten in the semi-final by Mayo on a 2-13 to 0-14 scoreline.[8][9][10]

On 8 April 2017, Tipperary won the Division 3 final of the 2017 National Football League after a 3-19 to 0-19 win against Louth in Croke Park.[11]

On 9 June 2019, Kearns resigned as manager of the Tipperary senior football team after defeat to Down in the 2019 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship.[12]

Playing career
As a player, Liam was a member of the Austin Stacks club and played for the Kerry minor team for two year winning an All-Ireland Minor Football Championship with them in 1980.

He graduated to become a member of the Kerry Under 21 and senior football panels and won a Kerry Senior Football Championship medal with Austin Stacks in 1986.

His father Ollie captained Kerry to an All-Ireland Minor Football Championship final in the late 50s and then was a wing forward on the Graiguecullen team that won their last Laois Senior Football Championship title in 1965.

expat345 (Monaghan) - Posts: 26 - 23/06/2019 19:53:13    2199294

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Replying To shaggylegend:  "Got Corduff relegated
Got Monaghan Harps relegated
Got Monaghan (county) relegated
Got Meath relegated.

Jumped ship from the minor team after one year.
Left yesterday game with 15 minutes to go..."
What about taking Monaghan from bottom 3 or 4 in the country to Division 1? What about winning Ulster with the minors? Never given a proper chance in Meath. A county that was always resistant to an outsude manager. As for Wexford, well i think their county board and club's attitude to football is less than ideal.

Harps and Corduff. Well you cannot work miracles all the time.

And as for leaving early. So what if he did? Are you saying its a sign he doesn't have passion for his county? Hardly.

I think his name should definitely in the hat and he deserves to be considered seriously.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1070 - 23/06/2019 19:58:15    2199300

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Replying To shaggylegend:  "Got Corduff relegated
Got Monaghan Harps relegated
Got Monaghan (county) relegated
Got Meath relegated.

Jumped ship from the minor team after one year.
Left yesterday game with 15 minutes to go..."
And he left Monaghan in DIVISION 1 when he left the role back in 2010. After he left we suffered 2 successive relegations.

Got county team relegated? What about getting the promoted? What about reaching Ulster finals? Yes silverware eluded us, apart from a Division 2 title (thanks Banty), but he turned us into one of the most competitive counties in the country, and the team fearing no one on their day.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1070 - 23/06/2019 20:11:08    2199311

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Replying To patk:  "Absolutely agree, the thing is we do have the talent in attack, and there are some great prospects coming through from the underage sides too. There just needs to be a change in style to get the best out of the attack."
I'll post a more honest reply when the dust settles. But currently the talent and attacking myth that is suggested on this page is laughable. The current attacking players on the panel havent delivered when the pressure comes on. Maybe bar galway last year. Nothing to dine with the big boys from u21 2016 team is there. They are either to small, light and slow. Could you really see anyone of those forwards bar mc manus who started yesterday shoot the lights in a big game. Not a hope, Malacy gave all the talked about players there chance yesterday, out of their depth folks. Plain and simple. Armagh and donegal are producing attacking players light years ahead of Monaghan. They are physically stronger, more athletic and clinical. Monaghan are well back in the pack now in Ulster, a barren spell is on the cards. Serious rebuilding job on the horizon

222 (UK) - Posts: 520 - 23/06/2019 20:18:55    2199324

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Replying To supermon:  "And he left Monaghan in DIVISION 1 when he left the role back in 2010. After he left we suffered 2 successive relegations.

Got county team relegated? What about getting the promoted? What about reaching Ulster finals? Yes silverware eluded us, apart from a Division 2 title (thanks Banty), but he turned us into one of the most competitive counties in the country, and the team fearing no one on their day."
Regarding Banty As I've said before we need more then fist pumps on the sideline for the camera to lift us now.. we need a outside manager who has no loyalty to any of the players and will pick players on form as opposed to reputation.. while banty will Defo bring passion to the job we need a serious tactician to now drive the thing on and evolve the team in this rebuilding period.. Banty didn't get the jobs in Cavan or donegal for a reason and was lynched out of meath..

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 265 - 23/06/2019 21:18:28    2199407

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Ah well at least Cavan lost

I thought the Banty stuff was tongue in cheek but it looks that some actually want him back?? I'm kind of struggling to comprehend that. It's absolutely ludicrous to suggest he should get the job. He's a decent bloke who is very passionate about Monaghan football but he is tactically inept and has a history of trying to outwit opponents with mind games which are embarrassing e.g Tyrone 2010 Ulster Final. We'd be a laughing stock to go down that road.

The next appointment is very important because I still thinks there's a kick left in this team yet. I honestly think we should be looking to get to the league final next year and win Ulster. The county board have a huge decision to make. Personally I'd be looking towards Oisin McConville who I heard was involved to a small degree this year. Stephen Rochford maybe?? McGuinness will get mentioned no doubt. You could argue that it could be a stroke of genius to get him and likewise you could argue the opposite. I have the feeling he thinks GAA management is beneath him now, when infact it's probably exactly what he needs. But the football will be poison. But we might win alot. That's the dilemma. It's a bit like the time Homer bought the cursed Krusty the Clown doll.

Also the 'such and such owes Monaghan nothing' is fast becoming my least favourite cliche.

Adler (Monaghan) - Posts: 746 - 23/06/2019 23:27:18    2199535

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