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Oh yeah it's all about balance but I think if you ignore the S&C side you'll be left behind just like you would if you ignored the fundamentals of the game.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 15/04/2024 21:37:28 2538192 Link 0 |
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Absolutely not. Its not the be all and end all and isn't going to turn a bad hurlers into a good one. A ball wall stands more chance of doing that. But 15 decent hurlers who go to the gym probably will beat 15 decent hurlers who don't, especially at intercounty.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15079 - 15/04/2024 21:38:47 2538193 Link 0 |
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Our celtic challenge team under 17 beat down by 4 points, please someone tell me that this is our second team and not our main team? hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1069 - 15/04/2024 22:21:27 2538202 Link 0 |
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I'm afraid you need both. Liam Dunne had largely the same panel as Colm Bonner at the beginning and he had way more success. The only thing he did was get them in shape. Davy took them on another step physically and they were promoted and won a major competition. Worth noting we beat everyone at least once in Davy's time. You could argue that tipp, Galway and Kilkenny have just as good hurlers as Limerick. The reason Limerick are so successful is because they're beasts. The hurling is obviously unbelievably important, but in the modern game they have to be top athletes. Chin is a brilliant example of what gym work can do. If you need another example, Anthony Daly nearly won an all Ireland with Dublin. They had two hurlers, but the whole panel were mountains of men. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3429 - 15/04/2024 22:31:41 2538205 Link 0 |
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no agenda, just love wexford hurling and have all my life, like most posters here I would like to see wexford more consistent, we have the numbers and talent and so frustrating looking at wexford at underage when really we should be doing a lot better, the finger has to be pointed at the county board,and there is no agenda in calling them out , just pure frustration
wexfordminor92 (Wexford) - Posts: 75 - 16/04/2024 07:23:52 2538228 Link 0 |
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to be honest I find your posts to be loaded with county board propaganda , the content of your post is far from genuine, our lack of underage consistently is holding back our u20 team and in turn our seniors, I have no agenda, just a frustrated wexford supporter and wexford park has to be called out looking forward to minors and senior boys this weekend wexford abu wexfordminor92 (Wexford) - Posts: 75 - 16/04/2024 07:53:37 2538230 Link 0 |
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Was at the game. It would basically be our third string against Down`s first string Under 17s
wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 188 - 16/04/2024 08:52:13 2538241 Link 1 |
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We beat everyone except Dublin and Waterford in Egans time, which was only 2 years. And Tipp but we didn't play them. We even managed to beat Westmeath in a League game!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15079 - 16/04/2024 09:23:58 2538258 Link 0 |
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I'm not spouting county board propaganda. I had alot of the same questions years ago that you have now. So what I did was get involved, volunteer for stuff, and have a good look at whats going on for myself. As anyone else including you could do. In my experience, which is limited, the County Board is populated with people who largely give up a huge amount of their time for nothing, who are doing their best, and who will listen to ideas from anyone, including me and you. That's not propaganda, that's just how I've found them to be. If you have any good ideas, all of their contact details are on the Wexford GAA website, as are contact details for all the coaching staff. If you would prefer to remain anonymous post your ideas here and I'll ask them myself for you. I got involved with the local club when my children started playing. What I found out about our club scene is too many clubs aren't doing enough between u8 and u12. Most of our u12 players aren't at the level skillwise of u12s I know in Cork, Clare and Kilkenny. Many clubs are only coaching 1 session a week at these age groups. That means approximately 2 hurling and 2 football sessions a month. Weather permitting. Its not enough. Years ago lads would spend hours at the gable end honing their skills, especially in rural areas, as there was nothing g much else to do. That's not the case these days. They need to be encouraged to do this. That's hard when you are only giving them 4 hours training a month. We now do 2 sessions a week at our club for our lads and that's thanks to some really enthusiastic parents giving their time for nothing, and all the time trying to become better coaches. You can see the improvement in the young lads, and they are very obviously practicing more at home or at the grounds because of it. I also got involved with the hurling 365 at the lads school. Sadly this isn't being done at a good few schools due to a lack of volunteers. It only got revived at ours last year due to our u10 managers efforts.1 At u12 the Board/Coaching staff arranged 24 hurling and football games against other clubs for our u12s last year. That's more than ever before. We also arranged some challenge games on top of this. There are loads of courses provided to upskill coaches. To see what these were like I went on some. They were largely excellent. Lads like Ray Harris, Damien Quigley, Mick Byrne, James Flynn, Eoin Devine O Grady, JJ Doyle etc really know their stuff and I learnt a huge amount. These courses are available for anyone to go on. As regards our development squads most coaches aren't paid. Any that aren't up to it are told thanks but no thanks. But there is a serious shortage of good experienced and qualified volunteers, just as there are at most of the clubs. Take up on the courses subsidised by Wexford GAA and delivered by top coaches isn't anywhere near 100%. Whose fault is that? Last winter a scheme operated by New Ross District years ago was revived county wide, largely due to the efforts of Paul Laffan and Dermot Ryan. It provided a hurling session a week in indoor venues around the county for u12s from November until February. It encouraged lads to stay hurling through the winter, as well as providing them with more training. There was a shortage of volunteers to coach this also. It might not go ahead next winter if enough coaches can't be found. Hopefully they will be. It's hoped to expand this to u11s also, while Lloyd Colfer is hoping to introduce something similar for Football. None of this is propaganda, its all fact. Check it out for yourself. Put some time in yourself and help out. If you have any good ideas get in touch with some of these people. Their contact details are on the Wexford GAA website. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15079 - 16/04/2024 10:00:47 2538272 Link 0 |
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A big factor in Limerick's success you didn't mention is Paul Kinnerk.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 16/04/2024 10:29:22 2538284 Link 0 |
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A top coach for sure. Biggest factor was getting 2 great groups of young lads only 2 years apart though. Then giving them excellent coaching all the way up from underage. They won 2 U21 AIs. Kiely and Kinnerk then finished the job of developing them to be who they are now.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15079 - 16/04/2024 10:37:43 2538286 Link 0 |
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Oh yeah that's the biggest factor of all but Kiely and Kinnerk insured those lads fulfilled there potential, there has been plenty of generational groups who possibly didn't, Clare won 3 u21s 2012-14 and alot of those got 1 Senior All Ireland when they were aged between 19-22, I know in fairness couple like Darach Honan and Conor McGrath struggled with injury and Conor Ryan had to finish up early with illness. Limerick themselves had a generational group who won 3 u21s 2000-02 and the only success at Senior for any of them was the lads still around for a Munster win in 2013. Even at the moment Kildare have won 2 u20 football and lost another final in the last 6 years and look where they are.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 16/04/2024 11:12:57 2538302 Link 0 |
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Also meant to say on the u20 game on Saturday I taught only using 1 sub was bizarre. TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 16/04/2024 11:44:28 2538313 Link 0 |
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I think u20 being that extra year away from Senior than u21 was doesn't help. Sure Tipp won back to back u20s also. Limerick were desperately unlucky that Kilkenny were so strong in the noughties, while up in Clare Davy and his tactics still get blamed for their lack of subsequent success. I think that's a little unfair, given that Kilkenny were still strong, Tipp had their best team since the 60s, and Galway their best team since the end of the 80s. Having good underage teams and success is certainly important, but it doesn't automatically translate to Senior success.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15079 - 16/04/2024 12:53:31 2538331 Link 0 |
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He only brought on 1 sub in the 2021 Leinster minor final too. Must be a thing of his.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15079 - 16/04/2024 12:55:07 2538332 Link 0 |
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Charlie McGuckin ruled out of Sunday along with Dee and Jippo. Hopefully they will be ready to feature in the Antrim or Galway games. 5 games in 6 weeks we will need to keep as many lads fit and fresh as possible Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 455 - 16/04/2024 16:19:41 2538374 Link 0 |
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Jippo is a huge loss! I'd nearly rather chance him for this game as it'll define the season and I know he was close to coming back. If he came through that unscathed rest him for Antrim and there's a break after that if I'm right?
Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 261 - 16/04/2024 17:03:07 2538379 Link 0 |
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Just on this with Charlie injured I'd add Eoin Ryan to the bench.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 16/04/2024 17:39:26 2538387 Link 0 |
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We've Galway 7 days after Antrim.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 16/04/2024 18:08:38 2538392 Link 0 |
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I don't think I'd chance anyone if not 100 percent fit. We seen what happened playing lads not 100 percent fit against Dublin last year.
Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 455 - 16/04/2024 18:25:46 2538395 Link 0 |