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Wexford Club Hurling Championships 2023

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "St Martins to beat Crossabeg by 8-10 points , St Martins have had their ease off the pedal game now and will be be rightly getting a right rollicking from their management this week, if they have anything about them they need to start showing it now. A team of very good players but something which is hard to put the finger on about them. Do they think they are far better than everyone else or something? Crossabeg have done well to get this far and while they will be spirited, will ultimately be blown away by St Martins.

Rapps to beat Naomh Eanna by 3-5 points, interesting game between two strong town teams, I have a liking for the Rapperees in this one, I think the big battle between Ryan and McDonald will be brilliant for the neutral to watch.

St Annes to beat Shels by 3-5 points, after a tough week to 10 days in St Annes, they bounced back in true St Annes fashion to get the job done yesterday v Naomh Eanna. No real surprise there as their character is immense. Shels haven't quite been at it this championship in my opinion and they will need to improve significantly to get over St Annes. For me the Rathangan men will march on in this game.

Ferns to beat Oylgate by 5-7 points. I fully expect Oylgate to give this one a right rattle, they have a very distinct style of play and have competed very strongly in every game so far. I just think Ferns will have a bit too much for them. The match ups in this one will be crucial for Oylgate to stop the scoring power of Ferns.

The weather is not looking wonderful for next weekend also so has to taken into consideration too when making any predictions.

Relegation final on last nights showings hard to see how Glynn Barntown win that but they have two weeks to work on it. Rathnure have done okay in some of their games but cannot sustain the momentum in games and get turned over pretty easy in the end of all their games. Will hold off predicting anything for this game, as there is a two week window for players to return from overseas etc to answer the call !!!!!!!!"
Realistically who do Glynn Barntown have to come back that will make a huge difference to them. The absence of some of their older players from senior all at once seems to be affecting them big time eg o regan, Doyle, Moore. Just shows how quick things can turn would have tipped them as a top 4 team a couple of years ago will be very lucky to stay up now. St martins overturned yesterday but ultimately they will be judged on their knockout games. Expect st Anne's to beat shels think they might come good at the right time. Ferns to beat oylegate in a close game and rapps to beat Gorey. Gorey like the martins always take their foot of the gas in the last game be interesting to see how it affects their momentum. Think martins will win comprehensively

WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 369 - 31/07/2023 13:17:32    2498021

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Going to be some craic if one of these quarter finals ends in a draw and we have an outcry about playing weekend/midweek and then weekend again if they get through with Clubs reps saying they werent aware, this is unfair etc etc.

Nothing official up yet in terms of dates and times as far as i can see.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1699 - 31/07/2023 15:29:04    2498096

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Replying To tearintom:  "Going to be some craic if one of these quarter finals ends in a draw and we have an outcry about playing weekend/midweek and then weekend again if they get through with Clubs reps saying they werent aware, this is unfair etc etc.

Nothing official up yet in terms of dates and times as far as i can see."
Yeah, that's another example of clubs not properly thinking about what they're actually voting for, despite being warned about what it would mean in practice.

Weekend fixtures were circulated to clubs earlier this afternoon. Don't know why they're not on the website yet. Anyway, senior quarter-finals are both double headers in Wexford Park:
St. Martin's v Crossabeg/Ballymurn - Saturday 5 p.m.
Naomh Eanna v Rapparees - Saturday 7 p.m.
Ferns v Oylegate/Glenbrien - Sunday 5 p.m.
St. Anne's v Shels - Sunday 7 p.m.

The fixtures also confirm that a replay of a Saturday match would be the following Tuesday, and replay of a Sunday match would be on the Wednesday.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 4052 - 31/07/2023 17:38:14    2498179

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Replying To tearintom:  "Going to be some craic if one of these quarter finals ends in a draw and we have an outcry about playing weekend/midweek and then weekend again if they get through with Clubs reps saying they werent aware, this is unfair etc etc.

Nothing official up yet in terms of dates and times as far as i can see."
Couple of clubs have there fixtures on Twitter, imagine full list will be out later.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 31/07/2023 17:45:09    2498182

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Fixtures were released earlier. Senior is all on in the park. Martin's and Ballymurn on the Saturday along with Gorey and Rapps with Anne's-Shels and oylegate and ferns on the Sunday. Double headers aswell for intermediate, alley-St. James and blackwater on the Sat in Bellefield with the other two on Sunday.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 617 - 31/07/2023 18:15:43    2498194

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Replying To tearintom:  "Going to be some craic if one of these quarter finals ends in a draw and we have an outcry about playing weekend/midweek and then weekend again if they get through with Clubs reps saying they werent aware, this is unfair etc etc.

Nothing official up yet in terms of dates and times as far as i can see."
No. Wonder what's taking them so long.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20706 - 31/07/2023 19:05:23    2498204

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Replying To tearintom:  "Going to be some craic if one of these quarter finals ends in a draw and we have an outcry about playing weekend/midweek and then weekend again if they get through with Clubs reps saying they werent aware, this is unfair etc etc.

Nothing official up yet in terms of dates and times as far as i can see."
Was debated at length at Convention / County Board meeting .. Fixtures Committee stressed that they didn't want replays for the exact reason outlined that if a team draws after extra time in a Q/F or S/F then they would potentially be out on a Tue/ Wed and then the winner the following weekend .. Very few club delegates wanted penalties and were willing to take the chance of a replay. So yes it will be very interesting and I'd be very surprised if at least one of Q/F in some grade doesn't go to a replay .. That said alot of U21 players were involved in games at weekend, games on a Wed night and games the following weekend so what do you do!

MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 367 - 01/08/2023 09:34:14    2498261

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I cannot for the life of me think how it would be to play 3 championship games in a week. You could not possibly recover in that length, its hard enough in 7 days.
Should just play on and say first to 2 points? Or just have the penalties between the 2 penalty takers until one misses?

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 2172 - 01/08/2023 09:55:25    2498270

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I cannot for the life of me think how it would be to play 3 championship games in a week. You could not possibly recover in that length, its hard enough in 7 days.
Should just play on and say first to 2 points? Or just have the penalties between the 2 penalty takers until one misses?"
The clubs didn't want penalties so that's what we have now.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20706 - 01/08/2023 10:54:18    2498301

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I cannot for the life of me think how it would be to play 3 championship games in a week. You could not possibly recover in that length, its hard enough in 7 days.
Should just play on and say first to 2 points? Or just have the penalties between the 2 penalty takers until one misses?"
Agree StoreysTash but no different to putting the under 21 championship in middle of adult championship - Clubs with small numbers and that have a lot of under 21's on their adult team had to play 5 championship games in 14 days !!!

grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 190 - 01/08/2023 11:17:08    2498306

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I cannot for the life of me think how it would be to play 3 championship games in a week. You could not possibly recover in that length, its hard enough in 7 days.
Should just play on and say first to 2 points? Or just have the penalties between the 2 penalty takers until one misses?"
Far too late now to make a change. In any event, the two alternatives you suggest aren't actually allowed for in the Rule Book, and would have to go all the way to National Congress to be approved.

Might sound harsh, but this is a case of the clubs having made their bed, and now they'll maybe have to lie in it.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 4052 - 01/08/2023 11:31:08    2498309

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Worth pointing out too that replays would apply even in the case of a County Final finishing level after extra time.

The replay would be on the Tuesday or Wednesday evening, and then the clubs involved would be out in the first round of football just a few days later.

To be honest, there are times I wonder if clubs should be allowed to vote at all on certain things, but try to take the vote away from them, and there'd be uproar altogether.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 4052 - 01/08/2023 11:34:16    2498311

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Replying To grassroots01:  "Agree StoreysTash but no different to putting the under 21 championship in middle of adult championship - Clubs with small numbers and that have a lot of under 21's on their adult team had to play 5 championship games in 14 days !!!"
And the reason that the only players left playing u21 are also playing adult is because u20/21 has been treated as a sideshow for years and therefore after u17/18s players who do not want to play adult have given the game up. U21 was on a knockout this year - whats the point in a lad continuing to play if they are 17/18 if all they get is a couple of games for the year. When will clubs relaise they are their own worst enemies when it comes to retaining players in the game.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2236 - 01/08/2023 13:10:04    2498340

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Worth pointing out too that replays would apply even in the case of a County Final finishing level after extra time.

The replay would be on the Tuesday or Wednesday evening, and then the clubs involved would be out in the first round of football just a few days later.

To be honest, there are times I wonder if clubs should be allowed to vote at all on certain things, but try to take the vote away from them, and there'd be uproar altogether."
I 100% agree with you.

Clubs in a whole lot of cases really dont have a clue what theyre voting for and have this attitude that ah sure they'll just change things down the line if its an issue.

Clubs just singularly vote for what benefits them and nothing else whether thats good or bad for the GAA overall in the county they couldnt care less.

I do wonder whether clubs should be allowed vote at all on certain things at all.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1699 - 01/08/2023 13:31:23    2498345

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Replying To tearintom:  "I 100% agree with you.

Clubs in a whole lot of cases really dont have a clue what theyre voting for and have this attitude that ah sure they'll just change things down the line if its an issue.

Clubs just singularly vote for what benefits them and nothing else whether thats good or bad for the GAA overall in the county they couldnt care less.

I do wonder whether clubs should be allowed vote at all on certain things at all."
Yup. I strongly suspect that in this particular case, clubs didn't really believe that there'd have to be midweek replays and the next round just a few days later, and instead told themselves "ah, they wouldn't really do that, they'd find a way to put in an extra week somehow".

But simple fact is that there are no extra weeks available. Championships have to be played week on week if all's to be finished in time for football champions to play in Leinster. Putting things back a week would mean no football teams in Leinster, and clubs were 100% against that idea.

Only other alternative would be to put in an extra week for a hurling replay, but then have to fix an entire round of midweek football fixtures to make up for it. So you'd be putting out every club in the county for the sake of the two clubs involved in the replay. And not only that, but to have midweek fixtures in late August/early September, you'd either have to start no later than 6.30 p.m. or else have every fixture in a floodlit venue.

Then if you get another replay in a semi-final and maybe even a final as well, you'd have to do a second or maybe even a third round of midweek football fixtures. Simply not feasible.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 4052 - 01/08/2023 14:14:57    2498363

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Replying To zinny:  "And the reason that the only players left playing u21 are also playing adult is because u20/21 has been treated as a sideshow for years and therefore after u17/18s players who do not want to play adult have given the game up. U21 was on a knockout this year - whats the point in a lad continuing to play if they are 17/18 if all they get is a couple of games for the year. When will clubs relaise they are their own worst enemies when it comes to retaining players in the game."
Not sure what your point is zinny.... 17/18 year old should be getting plenty of minor games.... then almost every club has 2nd,third teams when they leave that grade. It was treated like a sideshow this year too as teams didn't field and pulled out because of the timing. Putting under 20/21 in the middle of adult championship is not the answer and it won't be finished until October/November anyway.

grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 190 - 01/08/2023 14:40:46    2498372

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Replying To grassroots01:  "Not sure what your point is zinny.... 17/18 year old should be getting plenty of minor games.... then almost every club has 2nd,third teams when they leave that grade. It was treated like a sideshow this year too as teams didn't field and pulled out because of the timing. Putting under 20/21 in the middle of adult championship is not the answer and it won't be finished until October/November anyway."
In fairness to Zinny, he was talking about lads after U17/U18 who don't want to play adult, or who presumably aren't up to it yet.

And while he has a point, those lads are probably very much in the minority. Most players are well able to step up to the adult grades, particularly now that minor is back to U18.

But overall, I've said it before, and I'll say it again....U19/U20/U21 has always been a problem grade, and always will be:
- Can't play it early in the year as clubs would be without their inter-county U20 players
- Can't play it in May/June due to college exams and Leaving Cert
- Play it midweek during the adult championships in July/August/September, and you get what happened this year, and lots of other years too
- Only other option is to not even start it until late October or November, and then hear complaints about "terrible making those lads wait all year for a match".

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 4052 - 01/08/2023 16:14:07    2498397

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Whole thing is farcical. Clubs training for up to 5 months for a championship that is 5 weeks long. Doesn't sit right with a lot of people.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 1093 - 01/08/2023 16:45:01    2498405

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Should u21 be for players not playing adult hurling only? It might help player retention and keep those slipping away involved. Could be 13 a side to help clubs field.
But if clubs don't have the numbers but in that case is it best just forget about it instead of rushing it in the middle of the adult champions?
Most 19-20 year olds are on junior B teams or better in their clubs, would they not? What percentage of players is affected?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1635 - 01/08/2023 16:45:21    2498406

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "In fairness to Zinny, he was talking about lads after U17/U18 who don't want to play adult, or who presumably aren't up to it yet.

And while he has a point, those lads are probably very much in the minority. Most players are well able to step up to the adult grades, particularly now that minor is back to U18.

But overall, I've said it before, and I'll say it again....U19/U20/U21 has always been a problem grade, and always will be:
- Can't play it early in the year as clubs would be without their inter-county U20 players
- Can't play it in May/June due to college exams and Leaving Cert
- Play it midweek during the adult championships in July/August/September, and you get what happened this year, and lots of other years too
- Only other option is to not even start it until late October or November, and then hear complaints about "terrible making those lads wait all year for a match"."
Play it midweek during the adult championships in July/August/September, and you get what happened this year, and lots of other years too - Only other option is to not even start it until late October or November, and then hear complaints about "terrible making those lads wait all year for a match"."

Totally agree I made the point to Beano when they complained about them being on in midweek during championship that if they were played later in the year people would give out the games being in bad weather, he never replied.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 01/08/2023 16:54:23    2498412

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