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Cheers Pikeman. I think that was around the time that Mayo voted against one proposal that would give a Division 3 or 4 team a slim chance of progressing in the All Ireland series and one less chance for a Division 1 team. Not exactly a sign of confidence in our ability to be one of the designated teams from Division 1 to progress. More importantly showing no interest in trying to improve the standards of so-called weaker counties. Knocking off the rungs lower down the ladder so that some counties find it harder to get up that ladder. Ridiculous. Bordering on elitism.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8760 - 08/05/2022 19:02:20 2415664 Link 0 |
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Based on what exactly?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 08/05/2022 19:14:26 2415668 Link 0 |
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Sensible counties will target winning the Tailteann Cup and improving their league ranking. Irresponsible counties will dismiss the Tailteann Cup and will ignore the importance of improving their league ranking.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 10075 - 08/05/2022 19:14:37 2415669 Link 0 |
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Another game today with Galway showing the need for a second competition. carlovia (None) - Posts: 1556 - 08/05/2022 19:25:58 2415680 Link 0 |
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Cavan will give it a good rattle if they give it the proper respect based on today's performance. Very dangerous inside forwards, strong around the middle but they just need to watch the fouling at the back. peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1727 - 08/05/2022 19:58:34 2415708 Link 0 |
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True. If some teams have a low league ranking and are a bit away from challenging for a provincial final, the Tailteann 16 will provide a fair level of competition. The carrot of a Sam Maguire 16 spot for the winner is a massive reward. 12 counties have a realistic chance of winning the Tailteann. A lot to play for.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 10075 - 08/05/2022 20:16:02 2415717 Link 0 |
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Our industrious Kerry man coming to tell us, yet again, what we should do. Honestly, have you shares in this? Your obsession with telling others what they should do regarding this system, and whether they're responsible or not, is breathtaking. Take a day off please, it literally doesn't concern you
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2488 - 08/05/2022 20:18:20 2415718 Link 1 |
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A massive reward. To get into the Sam Maguire and get hammered by a county used to playing football at a higher standard against teams of a similar high standard. Let the eat cake.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8760 - 08/05/2022 21:31:15 2415751 Link 1 |
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You've to to offer any alternative. Maybe you have some sort of vested interest in being against it?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 08/05/2022 21:35:39 2415753 Link 1 |
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The Tailteann winner will be competing in the Sam Maguire 16 in 2023. The Tailteann winner will be gaining momentum to challenge for provincial titles. Everyone will be taking an interest and rightly so.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 10075 - 08/05/2022 21:40:11 2415754 Link 0 |
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They get 3 games guaranteed in next year's Sam Maguire. A team like Cavan, Down or Tipperary winning the Tailteann would fancy themselves to get to a last 12 or even quarterfinal place. Would be 4 or 5 matches plus a Provincial campaign. There is a strong opportunity to develop available for the Tailteann Cup winner.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4731 - 09/05/2022 07:45:31 2415761 Link 0 |
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I have offered an alternative. A whole thread on it in fact: link I do have an interest in it, not killing the game of football in numerous counties would be an interest I suppose. How anyone can't see how lopsided this is, and how unequitable it is, then I don't know. Like I said above, it wouldn't actually take many changes. Just adjust the Leagues and the qualifying criteria to each Championship. You mirror each and don't close off shops. 2 Championships but 4 Leagues make absolutely no sense when there is a clear and obvious solution right there to mirror each. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2488 - 09/05/2022 08:54:12 2415774 Link 0 |
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As you have told us probably 40 times now. But is it enough when the Leagues do not mirror the Champiuonship? A team who goes on a very good Division 4 run has still no chance of moving up a Championship in that year (unless he has won the TC the year previous). Ditto for someone who gets relegated from Division 1. They can have a horrible year, yet their inclusion is already sealed from the year before. You've yet to tell me what would be the issue with adjusting the Leagues to 1a and 1b and such? Surely you can see the merits of this and how every team at the start of the League each February has the opportunity to move up or down, while being exposed to a wider grade of team around them, both 16 team Divisions. Like do we not want our Leagues to be the ground for bringing teams on, to prepare them for these Championships? Especially now they are linked. Tell me how the current system makes more sense than this? And so what? The Tailteann Cup winner gets out of it for next year. That's just one team. I bet you over the coming years, that we'll find that the winner will qualify for the Championship regardless. Let's look at my own county. I fully expect if (and if is a big one here - they may not be bothered) that we aim for the Tailteann Cup that we could win it. I would also say that I personally feel that we're a better grade that Division 3 and only odd circumstances with weird League results (when conversely our Championship form was good) saw us drop to 4. I would expect us to get promoted from Division 3 next year. So is using the Tailteann Cup really the carrot here? Any team who will likely win it in years to come will probably get promoted next Spring anyway. And it's clear many players will not be bothered by it, will go travelling instead etc. So what good is this really doing for the teams in Division 4? The current structure keeps them down there, they don't get games against better teams to try improve, and on the off chance that one of them does win it, they will just go into the qualifiers the next year to be spanked by the likes of a Mayo, Armagh etc. who are waiting there after going out early themselves. What good is that for them? And honestly, what is your obsession with telling us this? You're from Kerry, why do you keep insisting on harping on about something that you will never have to worry about? I gave you an example of how with small tweaks, they could have a very equitable set-up. But you shot that down, rather keep telling us to just go an win the Tailteann Cup instead. Can you not see how actually insane that sounds, for you to push that, but not other changes? Are you that unwilling to change things at the top for your own county? Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2488 - 09/05/2022 09:13:53 2415784 Link 0 |
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Oh and I forgot to add, the provincial championships don't help things either with qualification. Reaching the final to stay in the Qualifiers sounds great in principle, but not when from Ulster or Connacht even. A Division 3 or 4 team there has a far harder time reaching their final than say Munster. Tipperary can avoid the Tailteann Cup this year by an easy enough jaunt through Munster. That doesn't make sense. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2488 - 09/05/2022 09:19:59 2415787 Link 0 |
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There was a time when Cavan used to compete with Kerry, in the 1940s. The fortunes of each have gone in very different directions since. Maybe you SHOULD listen to the Kerry man... peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1727 - 09/05/2022 09:30:53 2415791 Link 3 |
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Yes it does. Its a GAA competition so it concerns all of us. Plus legend makes sense on this one. Cavan will probably be out of it by next year anyway. Think of Carlow, we are in it for life !! carlovia (None) - Posts: 1556 - 09/05/2022 10:14:17 2415811 Link 1 |
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You know what I think you and others want but just won't come out and say it? You want a championship format where the stronger teams draw each other more often and knock each other out and hope for a soft draw to progress without having to actually put in the effort to get there. A few years ago Munster counties got the hump about the draw being seeded. It probably shouldn't have been seeded but that's not the point. They essentially wanted Kerry and Cork to be drawn with each other in the semi finals every year therefore giving them an easier route to the Munster final. It's similar with the league. You want counties to be moved up grades without them having to actually put in the effort to get there. You've been given the example of Clare in this regard but you just choose to ignore that as it doesn't suit your agenda. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 09/05/2022 10:14:38 2415813 Link 0 |
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Who mentioned Cavan? I'm talking about the structures here buddy. Numerous reasons why Cavan are not as good anymore, and it's not due to me or the Kerry poster or the structures we're discussing. Straw man argument
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2488 - 09/05/2022 10:14:44 2415814 Link 0 |
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All I'm sating is Legend is the one pushing this hard at every turn, multiple times on this thread and the other, but the second a suggestion to tidy things up, and bring the top teams back into play, they shoot it down. Its just very telling is all. The new system does not align and does not make sense. How do you think it works better than redoing the Leagues and allowing for more movement?
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2488 - 09/05/2022 10:25:30 2415818 Link 0 |
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All teams compete for Sam every year except Kilkenny! Only difference is D3 & D4 team don't get a second chance. Any county/player that doesn't take the competition seriously is going nowhere. It strikes as an odd attitude some counties have. When you look at how clubs embrace the intermediate and junior championships and how often they can be a real springboard for these teams to become established senior teams it completely defies logic not to take this competition seriously. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1975 - 09/05/2022 10:44:07 2415830 Link 2 |