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Cavan Seniors 2022

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Replying To thegadfly:  "Will you have a day off. Everything has to be adversarial with you. You are right in some ways but calm down. There seems to be a constant theme of sniping and jumping on other people's opinions. Relax a bit. Enjoy the forum."
Your the one who needs to take a chill pill … just giving an opinion and if you don't like it tough…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4243 - 03/03/2022 10:03:05    2403575

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Very good research there.

I'd add to that by saying that Derry didn't have the bullseye of a recent ulster win on their chest either. Teams are bringing their A game to us so far."
As I said in earlier post that's a compliment surly.

[email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 138 - 03/03/2022 11:59:30    2403601

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "I'm a bit bored at work, so decided to crunch some number, by comparing our season (so far) to the Derry one in 2019 where they went 7/7. Couple of very interesting things to note. Derrys score total was 129 with 95 against. Gives them an average of 18.43 for and 13.57 against over 7 games. So far so good. If we look at Cavan over 3 games, we've a total of 48 for and 34 against, giving an average of 16 for and 11.33 against. So far so similar, they've scored a few more, but conceded a few more, but the gap is pretty much the same.

However, it's clear that you need to take time of year into it as initial league games are generally in worse conditions than the last few. So for that reason, I looked just at Derrys first 3 results to compare with Cavans 3, and it's actually very telling. Derry now have 50 for and 35 against. Average of 16.67 for and 11.67 against. It's practically the same as Cavan's first 3, bar a point here or there. And they scored 3 goals in the first 3 games. We're bad here (as we all know), but this means we've had more converted scoring chances than Derry. They scored 44 times to our 48.

What's even more telling is that Derry won their first match by a point, and only started to motor by middle of the league once it got to better weather. They pump their average way up by scoring 2-16 and 3-21 in their final 2 games. Otherwise their first 5 games they won by 1, 7, 7, 5, 5 before they went on to post big scores. and even then in those big scoring games, they conceded a lot.

So my point is, relax a bit (except for scoring goals). Even comparing with the only other division clean sweep, we're very much on target. It's all about getting through the first few games when you get used to what seems to be a bit of a different game at times, dealing with being a favourite with teams targeting you and sitting back, and dealing with usually poor weather conditions. We've a ways to go, but thought this was interesting."
Would I be right in saying that Cavan are only one of 3 Teams with a 100% record. (Derry and Galway being the others), and are the only team from all 32 counties not to score a goal so far in the league this year?

HatchetMan2019 (Cavan) - Posts: 13 - 03/03/2022 13:47:10    2403634

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Replying To HatchetMan2019:  "Would I be right in saying that Cavan are only one of 3 Teams with a 100% record. (Derry and Galway being the others), and are the only team from all 32 counties not to score a goal so far in the league this year?"
Yep, correct. we're one of those 3 with 100% records, and only one with no goals. Very strange alright.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2488 - 03/03/2022 14:32:32    2403651

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Yep, correct. we're one of those 3 with 100% records, and only one with no goals. Very strange alright."
Not that strange when you consider our struggle to score goals for the last 10 years…. As for the 100% win record remember we are playing below average teams in Division 4…. Winning all 3 games so far is not too strange…. Getting and scoring a penalty in all 7 league games was strange…. Do you remember that one…?

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4243 - 03/03/2022 16:26:48    2403679

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Not that strange when you consider our struggle to score goals for the last 10 years…. As for the 100% win record remember we are playing below average teams in Division 4…. Winning all 3 games so far is not too strange…. Getting and scoring a penalty in all 7 league games was strange…. Do you remember that one…?"
Never said winning 3 from 3 was strange, just the goals which I've already mentioned. And as for the record so far, go back and read over the numbers I looked at between Cavan and Derry. We're right on course here, but would hope that we start to motor in better weather. Sunday in Sligo is looking dry and mild. Maybe we might start to kick on then

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2488 - 03/03/2022 19:01:01    2403701

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Never said winning 3 from 3 was strange, just the goals which I've already mentioned. And as for the record so far, go back and read over the numbers I looked at between Cavan and Derry. We're right on course here, but would hope that we start to motor in better weather. Sunday in Sligo is looking dry and mild. Maybe we might start to kick on then"
Comparing what Derry did a few years ago and Cavans current league campaign means nothing as opposition and players may be totally different now… As you rightly say a dry calm day on Sunday should suit us but I have been to Sligo a few times and as I can remember our record isn't great there… I have a feeling we will break our goal scoring duck here and it might just be enough to get the job done…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4243 - 04/03/2022 10:03:36    2403738

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Comparing what Derry did a few years ago and Cavans current league campaign means nothing as opposition and players may be totally different now… As you rightly say a dry calm day on Sunday should suit us but I have been to Sligo a few times and as I can remember our record isn't great there… I have a feeling we will break our goal scoring duck here and it might just be enough to get the job done…"
Of course it means nothing. I was just looking at the data and numbers, and just said it was interesting. Twas yourself who said we need to go 7 from 7, and all I was doing is comparing to the only other 7 from 7 season. It's interesting how they compare is all, and how similar we are. Feel free to ignore it.

Indeed, and hopefully so. we might finally see where we are on Sunday. A calm day, and likely a full strength team as Graham will be targeting this game. I think we may break our duck too, and hopefully we'll be discussing on Sunday evening on how we've moved up a gear

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2488 - 04/03/2022 10:32:24    2403740

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Of course it means nothing. I was just looking at the data and numbers, and just said it was interesting. Twas yourself who said we need to go 7 from 7, and all I was doing is comparing to the only other 7 from 7 season. It's interesting how they compare is all, and how similar we are. Feel free to ignore it.

Indeed, and hopefully so. we might finally see where we are on Sunday. A calm day, and likely a full strength team as Graham will be targeting this game. I think we may break our duck too, and hopefully we'll be discussing on Sunday evening on how we've moved up a gear"
I don't think we will have a full strength team unfortunately, Thomas galligan will be out, Connor brady or the holla isn't back yet, and that's 3 players who will definitely be starting when back and fit.

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 04/03/2022 10:40:05    2403744

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Replying To blueman1903:  "I don't think we will have a full strength team unfortunately, Thomas galligan will be out, Connor brady or the holla isn't back yet, and that's 3 players who will definitely be starting when back and fit."
Ah well yeah, meant who's available rather than sitting fit lads out. Clearly Holla (long term) and Galligan are missing. Not sure if Marty will be fit either. We should still have a good team out

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2488 - 04/03/2022 11:14:17    2403755

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Replying To blueman1903:  "I don't think we will have a full strength team unfortunately, Thomas galligan will be out, Connor brady or the holla isn't back yet, and that's 3 players who will definitely be starting when back and fit."
I heard on the terraces last week that Holla is nowhere near back, had the operation late enough not until October/November of last year, and Conor Brady doesn't want to come back to the panel, not sure how true that is but he's over the injury ! ! Also Pierson a long way from returning ? ?

5allirelands (Cavan) - Posts: 90 - 04/03/2022 11:26:44    2403758

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Are we expecting a big travellling crowd to his game?.... Not too far of a journey for those in the western half of the county.....Would the far reaches of West Cavan ie: Dowra and Blacklion actually be closer to Markievcz Park than they would Breffni?

HatchetMan2019 (Cavan) - Posts: 13 - 04/03/2022 12:27:25    2403772

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Cant speak for Holla but Pierson will be almost certainly be out for the entire year club and county, that was a nasty one
Conor Brady was the best player in the senior championship last year, would like to be seeing him kick on for the county this year, would be disappointing if he is not back.

I think for the most part the core of the first 15 is very string and could hold their own against most teams , the worry is the reliance on the same soldiers time and time again and the worrying lack of a goalscoring threat, thats a huge concern.

Cant think of anyone in the county who might solve the goalscoring issue, lots of very similar nice players who can clip a point or 2 but nobody who has goal on their mind every time, like darragh canavan

HuddHastings (Longford) - Posts: 144 - 04/03/2022 12:34:43    2403774

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Of course it means nothing. I was just looking at the data and numbers, and just said it was interesting. Twas yourself who said we need to go 7 from 7, and all I was doing is comparing to the only other 7 from 7 season. It's interesting how they compare is all, and how similar we are. Feel free to ignore it.

Indeed, and hopefully so. we might finally see where we are on Sunday. A calm day, and likely a full strength team as Graham will be targeting this game. I think we may break our duck too, and hopefully we'll be discussing on Sunday evening on how we've moved up a gear"
Well hopefully we follow a similar trajectory that Derry took following your comparisons ( which were very well put together I might add ) as they look like making a push for Division 1.. For now it's all about Sunday and while I would love to see us breaking our goal drought I would gladly at this point take a scrappy 9pts to 8 win as victory will have us odds on to make the League Final…!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4243 - 04/03/2022 13:03:22    2403789

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Well hopefully we follow a similar trajectory that Derry took following your comparisons ( which were very well put together I might add ) as they look like making a push for Division 1.. For now it's all about Sunday and while I would love to see us breaking our goal drought I would gladly at this point take a scrappy 9pts to 8 win as victory will have us odds on to make the League Final…!!"
Sligo 11/4 ; Cavan 4/11
Baffling ! !

5allirelands (Cavan) - Posts: 90 - 04/03/2022 14:37:43    2403804

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Replying To 5allirelands:  "Sligo 11/4 ; Cavan 4/11
Baffling ! !"
As they say the bookie doesn't get too much wrong but on this occasion he might have Cavan a bit too short…. I would have thought 6/4 v 4/6 but what would I know….!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4243 - 04/03/2022 14:51:30    2403810

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "As they say the bookie doesn't get too much wrong but on this occasion he might have Cavan a bit too short…. I would have thought 6/4 v 4/6 but what would I know….!"
If they're the current odds, then it ain't the bookies setting them - it's where the money has been laid.

Rightly or wrong, it means the vast majority are expecting a Cavan win (and/or did in the lead up to the original fixture)

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5333 - 04/03/2022 15:38:41    2403814

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "As they say the bookie doesn't get too much wrong but on this occasion he might have Cavan a bit too short…. I would have thought 6/4 v 4/6 but what would I know….!"
They are shortening, 2/5 now. There's a huge outbreak of covid in sligo Town at the moment so maybe the wise punters are aware of it?

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 05/03/2022 10:45:34    2403848

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Replying To fredflint:  "They are shortening, 2/5 now. There's a huge outbreak of covid in sligo Town at the moment so maybe the wise punters are aware of it?"
4/11 to 2/5 is not shorter odds it's longer…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4243 - 05/03/2022 14:22:33    2403886

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What's the story with the U20s? They seem to be going poorly. Have we not the players coming on? Bit of a worry when the feeder grade is not getting results. Could be trying out players in preparation for championship.

ParkTheBus (Cavan) - Posts: 34 - 05/03/2022 15:36:17    2403903

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