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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I don't wind anyone up here….. I just state the obvious but some here are so deluded and lacking in any real football knowledge so can't hack it… just keep replying with the same old nonsense about negativity… they probably never kicked a ball in their lives….."
What level did you play at yourself foreverblue

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1482 - 12/06/2022 09:44:13    2424117

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Replying To fredflint:  "What level did you play at yourself foreverblue"
Junior C for Ballybay if I was to guess.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4696 - 12/06/2022 10:33:34    2424136

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What did ye make of the Armagh Donegal match yesterday? Mad looking at that Donegal team. Know we shouldn't look back so far, but a sense of frustration for me. I always thought that type of Donegal team was there for the taking. Now we've seen it twice. Armagh got their goals first half, and held them off. If we had to have got our chances in the 1st half, I think we'd have held them off too. Took the 2 flukey goals for them to get away from us. And even if we went into the qualifiers after a final, I'd have backed us against most of those teams too. And the way that draw has worked out too. There's a fairly nice path to the final from one of Galway, Armagh, Derry, or Clare. Mad stuff.

Anyway, just thinking back to what might have been. Hopefully a good build up to this weekend. Anyone any news? Did we have any challenges? (I'm guessing that some of the provincial winners sitting at home this past weekend would have wanted games, and we'd be a good option to play) Will Moynagh be back? Will we take a good crowd to Croker?

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1887 - 13/06/2022 09:20:19    2424442

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "What did ye make of the Armagh Donegal match yesterday? Mad looking at that Donegal team. Know we shouldn't look back so far, but a sense of frustration for me. I always thought that type of Donegal team was there for the taking. Now we've seen it twice. Armagh got their goals first half, and held them off. If we had to have got our chances in the 1st half, I think we'd have held them off too. Took the 2 flukey goals for them to get away from us. And even if we went into the qualifiers after a final, I'd have backed us against most of those teams too. And the way that draw has worked out too. There's a fairly nice path to the final from one of Galway, Armagh, Derry, or Clare. Mad stuff.

Anyway, just thinking back to what might have been. Hopefully a good build up to this weekend. Anyone any news? Did we have any challenges? (I'm guessing that some of the provincial winners sitting at home this past weekend would have wanted games, and we'd be a good option to play) Will Moynagh be back? Will we take a good crowd to Croker?"
A lot of "ifs" there …… the bottom line is we only came up against 1 half decent team and we failed… their 2 fluke goals were a result of our schoolboy defending more than anything but they butchered 3 other clear goal chances…. No point talking about a draw we were never in… Next weekend is our level at this stage….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 997 - 13/06/2022 10:03:10    2424471

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Funny Loughduff Lad that of the 8 counties left in the Championship not one of them were operating out of Division 3/4…. So maybe your league standing might make a bit of a difference… Just saying…!!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 997 - 13/06/2022 10:15:51    2424479

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Do you fellow posters think something needs to be done about time wasting tactics used by teams when a black card is handed out. Surly the GAA need to adopt the the rule that rugby uses when a player is sin binned and any stoppage that occurs the clock is stopped and the offending player will serve the full 10 minutes. I feel county teams abuse the system by time wasting and that would cut it out.

[email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 13/06/2022 11:07:23    2424516

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "A lot of "ifs" there …… the bottom line is we only came up against 1 half decent team and we failed… their 2 fluke goals were a result of our schoolboy defending more than anything but they butchered 3 other clear goal chances…. No point talking about a draw we were never in… Next weekend is our level at this stage…."
I know that. I'm just thinking out loud. You don't have to over analyse what I said. Just thought we could and should have beat them. That's all I'm saying

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1887 - 13/06/2022 11:39:51    2424547

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Funny Loughduff Lad that of the 8 counties left in the Championship not one of them were operating out of Division 3/4…. So maybe your league standing might make a bit of a difference… Just saying…!!!!"
Are you being for real? As they weren't allowed to... The 3 and 4 teams went into this things called the Tailteann Cup. I know you don't go to or watch matches, but thought you might have been aware of that

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1887 - 13/06/2022 11:41:42    2424551

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Are you being for real? As they weren't allowed to... The 3 and 4 teams went into this things called the Tailteann Cup. I know you don't go to or watch matches, but thought you might have been aware of that"
Ah come on, his point is totally vindicated. lol

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1482 - 13/06/2022 12:08:45    2424573

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "What did ye make of the Armagh Donegal match yesterday? Mad looking at that Donegal team. Know we shouldn't look back so far, but a sense of frustration for me. I always thought that type of Donegal team was there for the taking. Now we've seen it twice. Armagh got their goals first half, and held them off. If we had to have got our chances in the 1st half, I think we'd have held them off too. Took the 2 flukey goals for them to get away from us. And even if we went into the qualifiers after a final, I'd have backed us against most of those teams too. And the way that draw has worked out too. There's a fairly nice path to the final from one of Galway, Armagh, Derry, or Clare. Mad stuff.

Anyway, just thinking back to what might have been. Hopefully a good build up to this weekend. Anyone any news? Did we have any challenges? (I'm guessing that some of the provincial winners sitting at home this past weekend would have wanted games, and we'd be a good option to play) Will Moynagh be back? Will we take a good crowd to Croker?"
Donegal were absolutely there for the taking when we played them.

They're a decent side, but beatable. We couldn't get over the line because we lacked belief in ourselves in my view. I'm long enough following Cavan to know what to expect from them, and when we didn't go in at half time with a bigger lead, let's be honest, we all knew what was coming.

Playing the London's and Leitrim's of this world in the league isn't going to give you enough confidence and self belief to beat bigger teams.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1062 - 13/06/2022 12:28:19    2424589

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Replying To fredflint:  "Ah come on, his point is totally vindicated. lol"
Wrong….. if we had beaten Donegal we would have been in the main Championship regardless of been in Div 4…. My point been us playing in division 4 led to us making schoolboy defensive errors which come from playing rubbish opposition…meaning a very average Donegal team could take us out without too much bother… We need to get back to division 2 as quickly as possible as both Armagh and Derry have now gone ahead of us in the Ulster pecking order…Wasting 3 years at least in these divisions do us no good at all when it comes to playing half decent opponents not talk about the top teams…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 997 - 13/06/2022 13:07:19    2424619

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "Donegal were absolutely there for the taking when we played them.

They're a decent side, but beatable. We couldn't get over the line because we lacked belief in ourselves in my view. I'm long enough following Cavan to know what to expect from them, and when we didn't go in at half time with a bigger lead, let's be honest, we all knew what was coming.

Playing the London's and Leitrim's of this world in the league isn't going to give you enough confidence and self belief to beat bigger teams."
My point exactly

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 997 - 13/06/2022 13:09:18    2424621

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Replying To [email protected]:  "Do you fellow posters think something needs to be done about time wasting tactics used by teams when a black card is handed out. Surly the GAA need to adopt the the rule that rugby uses when a player is sin binned and any stoppage that occurs the clock is stopped and the offending player will serve the full 10 minutes. I feel county teams abuse the system by time wasting and that would cut it out."
Agree totally and I believe they are going to look into it to try and cut out this time wasting tactic….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 997 - 13/06/2022 13:25:58    2424631

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "Donegal were absolutely there for the taking when we played them.

They're a decent side, but beatable. We couldn't get over the line because we lacked belief in ourselves in my view. I'm long enough following Cavan to know what to expect from them, and when we didn't go in at half time with a bigger lead, let's be honest, we all knew what was coming.

Playing the London's and Leitrim's of this world in the league isn't going to give you enough confidence and self belief to beat bigger teams."
Aye, that's my point. Very beatable, and if we had to have taken those goal chances, we had a brilliant opportunity. I'm not sure it's lacking belief, maybe it's just the way it fell that day. We were in serious form that first half. Points were going over the bar from all angles, and add on a goal and you'd have been in a great place for the half time team talk. We had enough belief to come back into the game with 10 mins left, when they had opened up a lead. Just the goals were a sucker punch. Belief did disappear then to be fair. We need to start winning and closing out these type of games. Said it before, we've had too many plucky losers games

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1887 - 13/06/2022 14:02:37    2424659

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Aye, that's my point. Very beatable, and if we had to have taken those goal chances, we had a brilliant opportunity. I'm not sure it's lacking belief, maybe it's just the way it fell that day. We were in serious form that first half. Points were going over the bar from all angles, and add on a goal and you'd have been in a great place for the half time team talk. We had enough belief to come back into the game with 10 mins left, when they had opened up a lead. Just the goals were a sucker punch. Belief did disappear then to be fair. We need to start winning and closing out these type of games. Said it before, we've had too many plucky losers games"
Priority has to be to get into Div 2. Playing at a higher level will bring us more consistency . Armagh/ Derry Div 1 and 2 is standing to them now. Same for Clare.
Yes there's improvement in our style and general play but going forward promotion to Div 2,and staying in it at least has to be the main object.
Yes I expect us to beat Sligo and play Westmeath in final. That will be our biggest test in the Tailteann.
The league was never as important as it's going to be next year.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 246 - 13/06/2022 14:17:26    2424672

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Wrong….. if we had beaten Donegal we would have been in the main Championship regardless of been in Div 4…. My point been us playing in division 4 led to us making schoolboy defensive errors which come from playing rubbish opposition…meaning a very average Donegal team could take us out without too much bother… We need to get back to division 2 as quickly as possible as both Armagh and Derry have now gone ahead of us in the Ulster pecking order…Wasting 3 years at least in these divisions do us no good at all when it comes to playing half decent opponents not talk about the top teams…"
And as of this morning Donegal are no longer in the championship either. Donegal become "very average" now, they are some team having made 5 of the last 8 Ulsters and having resided in Div 1 all that time (a massive thing in your estimation) and now be god they are only very average. I suppose as teams exit championship you will declare them all poor/average until there is only 1 left and they will be declared lucky as it was the worst championship in years.

You never told me what level you played to either out of interest? I mean am I talking to a Junior B player or someone who made county panels?

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1482 - 13/06/2022 14:20:26    2424674

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Wrong….. if we had beaten Donegal we would have been in the main Championship regardless of been in Div 4…. My point been us playing in division 4 led to us making schoolboy defensive errors which come from playing rubbish opposition…meaning a very average Donegal team could take us out without too much bother… We need to get back to division 2 as quickly as possible as both Armagh and Derry have now gone ahead of us in the Ulster pecking order…Wasting 3 years at least in these divisions do us no good at all when it comes to playing half decent opponents not talk about the top teams…"
Are you at least able to admit that there's a difference between our League and Championship performances? You did some crying earlier in the year that we weren't going 7/7 and thrashing teams in the League by 10+ points, that we were stone useless? We then did start beating teams coming from Division 2, and upper Division 3 teams quite easily in Championship. You able to concede that? But do agree, we need to be getting up again to Division 2, and be staying there going forward at a minimum.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1887 - 13/06/2022 14:32:07    2424684

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Priority has to be to get into Div 2. Playing at a higher level will bring us more consistency . Armagh/ Derry Div 1 and 2 is standing to them now. Same for Clare.
Yes there's improvement in our style and general play but going forward promotion to Div 2,and staying in it at least has to be the main object.
Yes I expect us to beat Sligo and play Westmeath in final. That will be our biggest test in the Tailteann.
The league was never as important as it's going to be next year."
Yep. We need to get back there, and Division 2 should be our base level. An odd foray up to Division 1 or so, but always staying around Division 2 and competing from there. that will leave us in a position to target provincial titles, and a run at the All Ireland series. You see from this year how Cork and Clare made it through. Need to be there and aiming for that, but absolutely correct, need to get promotion next season.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1887 - 13/06/2022 15:02:55    2424703

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Replying To fredflint:  "And as of this morning Donegal are no longer in the championship either. Donegal become "very average" now, they are some team having made 5 of the last 8 Ulsters and having resided in Div 1 all that time (a massive thing in your estimation) and now be god they are only very average. I suppose as teams exit championship you will declare them all poor/average until there is only 1 left and they will be declared lucky as it was the worst championship in years.

You never told me what level you played to either out of interest? I mean am I talking to a Junior B player or someone who made county panels?"
Donegal are an average team as has been shown in their game against us , the Ulster final and the weekend….. simple but you get it hard to understand.. Played at a very high level but what business that is of yours I can't tell…. Anyone can have an opinion regardless of what level they played at… even you but you seem to have a grip with everyone who challenges your view…. Chill out

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 997 - 13/06/2022 15:49:28    2424724

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I think Donegal management is their biggest problem. Taking McBrearty off for the keeper black card showed their intent and Armagh capitalised on this big time.. He was having one of his better games yesterday and Donegal conceded 1-6 during the 10 min black card.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 246 - 13/06/2022 16:29:35    2424746

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