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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Funny Loughduff Lad that of the 8 counties left in the Championship not one of them were operating out of Division 3/4…. So maybe your league standing might make a bit of a difference… Just saying…!!!!"
Oh Lord. .

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4696 - 13/06/2022 18:46:08    2424794

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Oh Lord. ."
On the Sunday game the penal pointed out that Clare playing in Division 2 had been the reason they came back and defeated Roscommon…. Had they been in Div3/4 like years ago the game would slip away from them… It just emphasises my point that you need to be in the top 2 divisions to have the slightest chance of making an impact come Championship time… Some geniuses on here said it makes no difference and actually said Mickey Graham had no interest in the league…. Bonkers stuff

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 997 - 14/06/2022 10:08:25    2424879

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "On the Sunday game the penal pointed out that Clare playing in Division 2 had been the reason they came back and defeated Roscommon…. Had they been in Div3/4 like years ago the game would slip away from them… It just emphasises my point that you need to be in the top 2 divisions to have the slightest chance of making an impact come Championship time… Some geniuses on here said it makes no difference and actually said Mickey Graham had no interest in the league…. Bonkers stuff"
I wouldn't be listening to much of what the panel on TSG are saying. They're so bad these days. And remember, Clare got a handy enough jaunt so far. Lost to limerick who were in Division 3 this year, beat a poor Meath team, and beat a Roscommon team who managed to lose despite leading by 5 points with normal time nearly up. Interestingly, Clare last reached the Quarter finals in 2016 while playing in Division 3 that year. But sure hey, just twist things around to suit your narrative.

Anyone and everyone are admitting that Clare are the weakest team left, and a quirk of the draw they got there, even if they clearly have done well to win their games to do so. They've avoided a lot of big teams who drew each other instead. It'll happen, but not showing some matter of enlightenment on League or something

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1887 - 14/06/2022 11:16:01    2424898

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Clare are just a perfect example of why many people take issue with the Tailteann Cup.

Clare haven't won Munster since 1992 amd haven't looked close to doing so. So they instead put their emphasis on the league where they've flirted with Divisiin 2 relegation for 5 or 6 years.

Their reward? A place in the backdoor of the All Ireland Championship.



Cavan have won Ulster recently, and I know Mickey Graham targets it as a realistic ambition each year. So Cavan prioritise Championship. To the detriment of their league position. But it has unquestionably worked as it has delivered an Ulster title.

Barry Cleary on twitter showed how a theoretical league table would look if each team's last 38 games were taken into account. Cavan would be 10th.

Swap the last 38 games (as for some team's this is over 16 years of games!) with the last 5 years, amd Cavan are 6th.

Cavan's reward for this level of Championship performance? A place in the Tailteann Cup, based on performance in the lesser competition.


There were always going to be anamolies when the championship was split in 2. A team who should be in the main competition ending up in the Tailteann Cup, and a team with no business being anywhere other than the Tailteann Cup ending up in the main Championship.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4696 - 14/06/2022 16:09:59    2424993

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "I wouldn't be listening to much of what the panel on TSG are saying. They're so bad these days. And remember, Clare got a handy enough jaunt so far. Lost to limerick who were in Division 3 this year, beat a poor Meath team, and beat a Roscommon team who managed to lose despite leading by 5 points with normal time nearly up. Interestingly, Clare last reached the Quarter finals in 2016 while playing in Division 3 that year. But sure hey, just twist things around to suit your narrative.

Anyone and everyone are admitting that Clare are the weakest team left, and a quirk of the draw they got there, even if they clearly have done well to win their games to do so. They've avoided a lot of big teams who drew each other instead. It'll happen, but not showing some matter of enlightenment on League or something"
So you still think playing in Div3/4 has no bearing on how you perform in the Championship….. it's plain to be seen by anybody with an ounce of football knowledge that it does….. Spillane with 8/9 All Ireland medals and McConville who also won one couldn't possibly know as much as you with how many….? Thought so….. I think everyone would listen to them over you 100% of the time…..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 997 - 14/06/2022 16:18:00    2424996

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "So you still think playing in Div3/4 has no bearing on how you perform in the Championship….. it's plain to be seen by anybody with an ounce of football knowledge that it does….. Spillane with 8/9 All Ireland medals and McConville who also won one couldn't possibly know as much as you with how many….? Thought so….. I think everyone would listen to them over you 100% of the time….."
You must be the only man here trying to defend the Sunday Game. They're all bluster, terrible analysis, and talk some amount of dung compared to Sky and BBC. Although maybe it's about right that you'd like them actually...

I just gave a reply to your other comment re Clare, they are an anomaly, and have had an easier run in than others. How can't you see who they've drawn and who others got? Look at Armaghs draw for example. And no one is saying it has no bearing, but league position shouldn't have the only bearing. Like pointed out above, we're in the top 10 for last 10 years of Championship matches, near top 5 for last 5 years. But they for some reason split on League. You are fully obsessed with League, all we're saying is look a little bit past that for the bigger picture.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1887 - 14/06/2022 18:10:25    2425019

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And another thing ForeverBlue, why do you need to be so disrespectful so often? Near every reply of yours has you insulting people intelligence, sarcastically calling people geniuses, anyone with an ounce of intelligence, like you're the be all and end all? Everyone is stupid but you, huh?

I like debate, and I'd be more likely to of you could reply with a bit of respect. And it's also telling that you drop a conversation quite quickly when you've clearly been shown to be wrong. Funny that, isn't it?

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1887 - 14/06/2022 18:21:02    2425022

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Clare are just a perfect example of why many people take issue with the Tailteann Cup.

Clare haven't won Munster since 1992 amd haven't looked close to doing so. So they instead put their emphasis on the league where they've flirted with Divisiin 2 relegation for 5 or 6 years.

Their reward? A place in the backdoor of the All Ireland Championship.



Cavan have won Ulster recently, and I know Mickey Graham targets it as a realistic ambition each year. So Cavan prioritise Championship. To the detriment of their league position. But it has unquestionably worked as it has delivered an Ulster title.

Barry Cleary on twitter showed how a theoretical league table would look if each team's last 38 games were taken into account. Cavan would be 10th.

Swap the last 38 games (as for some team's this is over 16 years of games!) with the last 5 years, amd Cavan are 6th.

Cavan's reward for this level of Championship performance? A place in the Tailteann Cup, based on performance in the lesser competition.


There were always going to be anamolies when the championship was split in 2. A team who should be in the main competition ending up in the Tailteann Cup, and a team with no business being anywhere other than the Tailteann Cup ending up in the main Championship."
Cavan knew exactly what they had to do to compete in the main championship.

They failed to do it.

Simple as that.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1062 - 14/06/2022 18:21:02    2425023

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "So you still think playing in Div3/4 has no bearing on how you perform in the Championship….. it's plain to be seen by anybody with an ounce of football knowledge that it does….. Spillane with 8/9 All Ireland medals and McConville who also won one couldn't possibly know as much as you with how many….? Thought so….. I think everyone would listen to them over you 100% of the time….."
Seems it's time to close this forum if it's only lads with All Ireland medals in there back pocket who can have an opinion , I doubt if any of our 52 team are on here.

aceofspades (Cavan) - Posts: 244 - 14/06/2022 18:48:02    2425027

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Clare are just a perfect example of why many people take issue with the Tailteann Cup.

Clare haven't won Munster since 1992 amd haven't looked close to doing so. So they instead put their emphasis on the league where they've flirted with Divisiin 2 relegation for 5 or 6 years.

Their reward? A place in the backdoor of the All Ireland Championship.



Cavan have won Ulster recently, and I know Mickey Graham targets it as a realistic ambition each year. So Cavan prioritise Championship. To the detriment of their league position. But it has unquestionably worked as it has delivered an Ulster title.

Barry Cleary on twitter showed how a theoretical league table would look if each team's last 38 games were taken into account. Cavan would be 10th.

Swap the last 38 games (as for some team's this is over 16 years of games!) with the last 5 years, amd Cavan are 6th.

Cavan's reward for this level of Championship performance? A place in the Tailteann Cup, based on performance in the lesser competition.


There were always going to be anamolies when the championship was split in 2. A team who should be in the main competition ending up in the Tailteann Cup, and a team with no business being anywhere other than the Tailteann Cup ending up in the main Championship."
Clare might have flirted with relegation for the last 5/6 years but guess what they didn't get relegated… We flirted with it 3 years in a row and guess what… we went tumbling down 3 years in a row and now you're saying we should be in the main Championship and Clare in the Tailteann Cup.. Talk about thinking you are above your station… Don't be making a fool of yourself… Its this thinking we are better than we really are that got us relegated to the basement of football for the first time in our history in the first place…. Looking back over 16 years results to inflate our league standing is laughable… It's the here and now that counts… wake up for Gods sake will you…..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 997 - 14/06/2022 19:50:00    2425038

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "Cavan knew exactly what they had to do to compete in the main championship.

They failed to do it.

Simple as that."
Cavan also have a manager that knows what it takes to be competitive in the Championship, and for any county outside of the top 5 (Dublin, Mayo, Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry) it unfortunately means timing your run to peak during the championship, not the league.

We have the next best championship record in the country after those 5 teams, since Mickey took over.

Just look at Monaghan over the same time period. .pitch invasions when they beat Dublin in the spring yet we've beaten them twice in the ulster championship in the past 4 years.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4696 - 15/06/2022 10:31:23    2425087

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "And another thing ForeverBlue, why do you need to be so disrespectful so often? Near every reply of yours has you insulting people intelligence, sarcastically calling people geniuses, anyone with an ounce of intelligence, like you're the be all and end all? Everyone is stupid but you, huh?

I like debate, and I'd be more likely to of you could reply with a bit of respect. And it's also telling that you drop a conversation quite quickly when you've clearly been shown to be wrong. Funny that, isn't it?"
I am not one bit disrespectful Loughduff Lad and I value your views but you seem to dismiss everything that you feel is a negative comment… sometimes it needs to be said so just suck it up…. Point out something I got wrong and didn't admit to it…. You can't admit that playing in Div3/4 lessens our chances of progress in the Championship when it's plain to be seen and you dismiss the comments of ex county players views on the subject…. probably because they concur with mine…. Get your head out of the sand…..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 997 - 15/06/2022 13:08:49    2425142

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Cavan also have a manager that knows what it takes to be competitive in the Championship, and for any county outside of the top 5 (Dublin, Mayo, Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry) it unfortunately means timing your run to peak during the championship, not the league.

We have the next best championship record in the country after those 5 teams, since Mickey took over.

Just look at Monaghan over the same time period. .pitch invasions when they beat Dublin in the spring yet we've beaten them twice in the ulster championship in the past 4 years."
So we are next in line after the above mentioned 5…. One provincial win in the last 25 years…..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 997 - 15/06/2022 13:13:05    2425143

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Replying To aceofspades:  "Seems it's time to close this forum if it's only lads with All Ireland medals in there back pocket who can have an opinion , I doubt if any of our 52 team are on here."
Nobody said that but those who do have them surely have views worth listening to instead of been dismissed by those with none ….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 997 - 15/06/2022 13:16:52    2425147

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "You must be the only man here trying to defend the Sunday Game. They're all bluster, terrible analysis, and talk some amount of dung compared to Sky and BBC. Although maybe it's about right that you'd like them actually...

I just gave a reply to your other comment re Clare, they are an anomaly, and have had an easier run in than others. How can't you see who they've drawn and who others got? Look at Armaghs draw for example. And no one is saying it has no bearing, but league position shouldn't have the only bearing. Like pointed out above, we're in the top 10 for last 10 years of Championship matches, near top 5 for last 5 years. But they for some reason split on League. You are fully obsessed with League, all we're saying is look a little bit past that for the bigger picture."
Your just painting a picture to suit your own narrative…. that's fine if you are taken in by that nonsense… They based it on league so to increase the standing and value of the league…. Basing it on 5/10 year Championship record like you say would be crazy and only lead to more turkey shoots in both competitions… All fairly close matches in the Tailteann cup because teams are of a similar standard…..that's why it was based on league positions…. As the old saying goes " The league tables never lie " and thank God this is the system they used…. imagine following your criteria… it would lead to an all out strike….!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 997 - 15/06/2022 13:27:57    2425150

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I am not one bit disrespectful Loughduff Lad and I value your views but you seem to dismiss everything that you feel is a negative comment… sometimes it needs to be said so just suck it up…. Point out something I got wrong and didn't admit to it…. You can't admit that playing in Div3/4 lessens our chances of progress in the Championship when it's plain to be seen and you dismiss the comments of ex county players views on the subject…. probably because they concur with mine…. Get your head out of the sand….."
I don't dismiss it, I just don't see the need to descend to insulting peoples intelligence, calling them geniuses in a sarcastic way. I would far more engage with a point, even if I disagree with it, if there was respect behind it. No groups of people like on a board are ever going to agree on everything, and I do enjoy the debate, even when I don't agree. And I also enjoy when someone comes with a point I haven't thought of that challenges my view and makes me change it. But all that needs respect. Look back over your last number of messages and there are subtle insults there that you do not need to make. Make your point, engage and debate, but don't be at that.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1887 - 15/06/2022 13:52:42    2425160

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I am not one bit disrespectful Loughduff Lad and I value your views but you seem to dismiss everything that you feel is a negative comment… sometimes it needs to be said so just suck it up…. Point out something I got wrong and didn't admit to it…. You can't admit that playing in Div3/4 lessens our chances of progress in the Championship when it's plain to be seen and you dismiss the comments of ex county players views on the subject…. probably because they concur with mine…. Get your head out of the sand….."
Oh and I never said it didn't lessen our chances, it absolutely does. I want to be out of there, and was never happy that we were down there, I just don't judge everything by being down there. We have shown we're better in Championship, but League has bit us this year by not allowing us into qualifiers. You always seem to take a twisted interpretation on what I say, and you can't seem to separate out different arguments.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1887 - 15/06/2022 13:59:44    2425164

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "So we are next in line after the above mentioned 5…. One provincial win in the last 25 years….."
So now it's OK to use 25 years as a marker?

Yes, based on a realistic timefame of the last 5 years (or 4 if you want to take only Mochey's term) we are next in line in terms of championship results.


You can argue if you like, that's what this forum is for. But this isn't me putting forward an opinion, this is how the numbers add up. I could be a Wexford, Offaly or Leitrim fan, the result is still the same.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4696 - 15/06/2022 14:06:27    2425166

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "I wouldn't be listening to much of what the panel on TSG are saying. They're so bad these days. And remember, Clare got a handy enough jaunt so far. Lost to limerick who were in Division 3 this year, beat a poor Meath team, and beat a Roscommon team who managed to lose despite leading by 5 points with normal time nearly up. Interestingly, Clare last reached the Quarter finals in 2016 while playing in Division 3 that year. But sure hey, just twist things around to suit your narrative.

Anyone and everyone are admitting that Clare are the weakest team left, and a quirk of the draw they got there, even if they clearly have done well to win their games to do so. They've avoided a lot of big teams who drew each other instead. It'll happen, but not showing some matter of enlightenment on League or something"
Well Clare managed to beat Roscommon which is something we couldn't do when we had to. So I wouldn't be little their achieved this year. Then again it will be 2 years before we get the chance to play them

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 246 - 15/06/2022 15:43:49    2425191

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Replying To cavanman47:  "So now it's OK to use 25 years as a marker?

Yes, based on a realistic timefame of the last 5 years (or 4 if you want to take only Mochey's term) we are next in line in terms of championship results.


You can argue if you like, that's what this forum is for. But this isn't me putting forward an opinion, this is how the numbers add up. I could be a Wexford, Offaly or Leitrim fan, the result is still the same."
Next in line to the top 5….. you are some comedian..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 997 - 15/06/2022 16:22:52    2425199

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