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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Let's not get carried away here…. Cavan would probably have waltzed through Division 4, beat a woeful Antrim team and get beaten by Donegal if Paddy Pothooks was in charge…. He did manage us to an Ulster title (2020) while in charge but at the same time took us from Division 1 to Division 4 for the first time in our history… He needs to get us back to been competitive in Division 2 before I'd be placing him on any pedestal…. When he took over we were regularly playing the top teams and after 4 years in charge we had the might of London and Waterford to name two as opponents….. If that makes you a great manager the country is full of them…"
No one is getting carried away, but a county like Cavan and the management disasters we've had over the past 25 years means we can't be drastic. He has done well in championship, not so much in League (as we all know), all while playing a nice brand of football in Championship with youth being brought through too. He is tactically very astute as many have recognised. But as of now, he is our best option. Who else would be out there? The grass is not always greener. We've an opportunity here for a manager to bed down, and properly get the team to where he needs to be over time. Not the 2/3 years and turnover to a new manager that we had for a long time, all while going nowhere. A lot of gain by sticking here. Do agree we need to get to Division 2, and I expect we will next year.

And when he took over, we hadn't been in an Ulster final in 18 years, or won it in 22. Remember that too when you compare his Championship and League results, despite the embarrassing drop to Division 4.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 19/05/2022 15:15:37    2418740

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "No one is getting carried away, but a county like Cavan and the management disasters we've had over the past 25 years means we can't be drastic. He has done well in championship, not so much in League (as we all know), all while playing a nice brand of football in Championship with youth being brought through too. He is tactically very astute as many have recognised. But as of now, he is our best option. Who else would be out there? The grass is not always greener. We've an opportunity here for a manager to bed down, and properly get the team to where he needs to be over time. Not the 2/3 years and turnover to a new manager that we had for a long time, all while going nowhere. A lot of gain by sticking here. Do agree we need to get to Division 2, and I expect we will next year.

And when he took over, we hadn't been in an Ulster final in 18 years, or won it in 22. Remember that too when you compare his Championship and League results, despite the embarrassing drop to Division 4."
Agree with what you say… he has to get us back to Division 2 next year .. I have a feeling he will be gone at the end of the season though…hopefully I'm wrong

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 19/05/2022 16:19:06    2418760

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Agree with what you say… he has to get us back to Division 2 next year .. I have a feeling he will be gone at the end of the season though…hopefully I'm wrong"
Fortunately you usually are :)

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 11913 - 19/05/2022 16:23:47    2418762

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Agree with what you say… he has to get us back to Division 2 next year .. I have a feeling he will be gone at the end of the season though…hopefully I'm wrong"
I can't see it, especially after a good outing on Ulster (despite the Donegal scoreline) there is a lot there to see with youth. Can build a team around Lynch, Smith, Galligan and such. No manager will be walking away from that right now. Do hope you're wrong alright

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 19/05/2022 16:52:12    2418772

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "I can't see it, especially after a good outing on Ulster (despite the Donegal scoreline) there is a lot there to see with youth. Can build a team around Lynch, Smith, Galligan and such. No manager will be walking away from that right now. Do hope you're wrong alright"
Hopefully he stays but this year's Ulster showing will have no influence on it…. Beat a woeful Antrim team and then lost when a real test came….and believe me Donegal are no great shakes….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 19/05/2022 17:49:51    2418797

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Fortunately you usually are :)"
That's fairly salty…. You obviously know very little about football…. Stick to rugby more likely to be your preferred sport….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 19/05/2022 19:04:42    2418805

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Replying To [email protected]:  "Couldn't agree more Micky needs to be the man to bring this team forward I've already stated after the Donegal game that the CB give him and his team all the tools he needs otherwise our loss will be some other county's gain because he's definitely building something here and we're not that far away from the so called elite county's."
I agree he is your best manager since McHugh. I would take Mickey Graham as Meath manager in the morning. He is hugely impressive manager.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1062 - 19/05/2022 22:01:25    2418827

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Hopefully he stays but this year's Ulster showing will have no influence on it…. Beat a woeful Antrim team and then lost when a real test came….and believe me Donegal are no great shakes…."
Wait a second though, aren't Antrim above us in the League? How did this happen? And how are you dismissing this based on league form?

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 20/05/2022 10:02:02    2418852

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Seriously though, it will have influence. We beat who was in front of us, and put a far better performance on Donegal than Division 1 Armagh. Lots very impressed with us, and only for not getting goals, and letting in flukey ones, it could have been a very different story.

We discussed at the start of the year what would be a success if you go back to page 1 of this thread. I think the consensus was promotion and League final win, getting a good win over Antrim followed with a good semi final performance. And a good Tailteann Cup run if we got to it (which we obvs have to do yet). Overall we're very much on track on what we said in January. And either way this will lead us into next year quite well. Promotion next year and we're back where we need to be at in both League and Championship. This time next year could see us in a very nice position. Give it time, we're on a better uptick than where we were looking at end of last season.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 20/05/2022 10:08:02    2418854

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Seriously though, it will have influence. We beat who was in front of us, and put a far better performance on Donegal than Division 1 Armagh. Lots very impressed with us, and only for not getting goals, and letting in flukey ones, it could have been a very different story.

We discussed at the start of the year what would be a success if you go back to page 1 of this thread. I think the consensus was promotion and League final win, getting a good win over Antrim followed with a good semi final performance. And a good Tailteann Cup run if we got to it (which we obvs have to do yet). Overall we're very much on track on what we said in January. And either way this will lead us into next year quite well. Promotion next year and we're back where we need to be at in both League and Championship. This time next year could see us in a very nice position. Give it time, we're on a better uptick than where we were looking at end of last season."
I agree in part but when you are at rock bottom the only way is to see improvement… our blunders against Donegal probably came as a result of playing at a low level for a couple of years now…. You get away with that sort of thing against weak opponents but the bigger teams will punish you… My prediction at the beginning of the year was to breeze through the league undefeated ( lost one game unexpectedly to Tip ) beat Antrim ( easier than I thought) and then loose to Donegal/Armagh because we are not at that level… I was almost 100% correct but it wouldn't take much to achieve what we did…. Now we should push on and win the Taltainn Cup to round of the year in style…..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 20/05/2022 13:08:56    2418942

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Wait a second though, aren't Antrim above us in the League? How did this happen? And how are you dismissing this based on league form?"
The reason been … there are no big hitters in Division 3/4 ( obviously or they wouldn't be there ) but both divisions are littered with rubbish…. You are not seriously saying Antrim are a good team…but the fact that they are above us in the league just shows how bad we were….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 20/05/2022 13:31:11    2418952

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "The reason been … there are no big hitters in Division 3/4 ( obviously or they wouldn't be there ) but both divisions are littered with rubbish…. You are not seriously saying Antrim are a good team…but the fact that they are above us in the league just shows how bad we were…."
I'm just twisting you up in knots man. I'm not saying that at all. Tis you who puts a lot of stock in league positions...

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 20/05/2022 14:39:53    2418983

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But glad you finally agree that league positions are not all that. As we know. You spent the Spring calling us a Division 4 level team when we knew we weren't that level when Championship starts. It's just interesting to see you change your tune when it suits

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 20/05/2022 14:44:16    2418988

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I agree in part but when you are at rock bottom the only way is to see improvement… our blunders against Donegal probably came as a result of playing at a low level for a couple of years now…. You get away with that sort of thing against weak opponents but the bigger teams will punish you… My prediction at the beginning of the year was to breeze through the league undefeated ( lost one game unexpectedly to Tip ) beat Antrim ( easier than I thought) and then loose to Donegal/Armagh because we are not at that level… I was almost 100% correct but it wouldn't take much to achieve what we did…. Now we should push on and win the Taltainn Cup to round of the year in style….."
We weren't rock bottom though. Maybe if you look at league only, which you now seem to have switched back to. By all levels, betting, rankings and all that, we are far ahead and our performances in ulster show that. I was pretty much on my own predictions too. We got the minimum we needed, with still games to play. And yes we should. A Championship trophy in Croker would be nice. Might propel us into next season well, and run at division 3 and get back up. From there we'll be in a good position. All upward trajectory from here please

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 20/05/2022 14:47:34    2418990

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "But glad you finally agree that league positions are not all that. As we know. You spent the Spring calling us a Division 4 level team when we knew we weren't that level when Championship starts. It's just interesting to see you change your tune when it suits"
When you play in Division 4 you are a Div 4 team…. I didn't see any fixtures for us in any other division… did you… Total embarrassment to be in Div 4 but you just have to man up and accept it which you were unable to do… In 2022 we were a Division 4 team but we are out of there and hopefully will never return.. As Pat Spillane said you end up in Division 4 for a simple reason…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 20/05/2022 15:29:54    2419014

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "But glad you finally agree that league positions are not all that. As we know. You spent the Spring calling us a Division 4 level team when we knew we weren't that level when Championship starts. It's just interesting to see you change your tune when it suits"
Every Div 3 and Div 4 team are out of the All Ireland bar Limerick who were promoted to Div 2.
We are now a Div 3 team and the main aim has to be getting to Div 2.
If we are as good as you think we are we should win the Tailteann Cup as it consists of Div 3/4 teams.
We need to raise our standards to compete with the big boys consistently .

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 20/05/2022 15:55:01    2419027

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "When you play in Division 4 you are a Div 4 team…. I didn't see any fixtures for us in any other division… did you… Total embarrassment to be in Div 4 but you just have to man up and accept it which you were unable to do… In 2022 we were a Division 4 team but we are out of there and hopefully will never return.. As Pat Spillane said you end up in Division 4 for a simple reason…"
There really and truly is no debating this kind of confused nonsense. And you're so sure of yourself hahahaha

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 11913 - 20/05/2022 16:43:28    2419039

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "When you play in Division 4 you are a Div 4 team…. I didn't see any fixtures for us in any other division… did you… Total embarrassment to be in Div 4 but you just have to man up and accept it which you were unable to do… In 2022 we were a Division 4 team but we are out of there and hopefully will never return.. As Pat Spillane said you end up in Division 4 for a simple reason…"
You can call yourself that when you're obsessed with League. We all knew we were a higher level, as we've since proved. I never said I never accepted it, it was clear we were there, I just said get out (which we did) and pretend it never happened which we can do with promotion next year. It just didn't define the team for me, Championship does where we routinely compete with the best there at a high level. The reasons were clear why we went down, both external factors and our own. But too much weight is put on the League by some teams. Monaghan and Armagh stand out for me. Lions in Spring, cubs in Summer. We were opposite, rightly or wrongly. You need to take both, not just League and define yourself solely by that which you consistently do. Many pundits got caught with it. Sure even the BBC lads called Antrim at throw in. Come on like. I'm happy for you to call us a Division 4 level team. Go for it, knock yourself out. But you know rightly we're better than that, as we've shown. And it's odd you're still clinging to this, seeing as we went down and went straight back up.

Anyway, I'm going back on my promise from the last time we had this exact same argument, so dropping this again. If you need to cling to this for some reason, you do that. The whole country knows we're better than the level you suggest. Sure didn't you even admit so a few hours ago, on our level as compared to Antrim? You flit sides daily pal... It's funny

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 20/05/2022 17:05:07    2419046

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "You can call yourself that when you're obsessed with League. We all knew we were a higher level, as we've since proved. I never said I never accepted it, it was clear we were there, I just said get out (which we did) and pretend it never happened which we can do with promotion next year. It just didn't define the team for me, Championship does where we routinely compete with the best there at a high level. The reasons were clear why we went down, both external factors and our own. But too much weight is put on the League by some teams. Monaghan and Armagh stand out for me. Lions in Spring, cubs in Summer. We were opposite, rightly or wrongly. You need to take both, not just League and define yourself solely by that which you consistently do. Many pundits got caught with it. Sure even the BBC lads called Antrim at throw in. Come on like. I'm happy for you to call us a Division 4 level team. Go for it, knock yourself out. But you know rightly we're better than that, as we've shown. And it's odd you're still clinging to this, seeing as we went down and went straight back up.

Anyway, I'm going back on my promise from the last time we had this exact same argument, so dropping this again. If you need to cling to this for some reason, you do that. The whole country knows we're better than the level you suggest. Sure didn't you even admit so a few hours ago, on our level as compared to Antrim? You flit sides daily pal... It's funny"
We ran Donegal to a 6 point defeat in the Ulster Championship . How does that show we are " lions in the summer" as you call it?
Get real man.
If we are the " Lions" you think we are then they should present us with the Tailteann Cup BEFORE the Down game.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 21/05/2022 11:04:59    2419116

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Reading through the comments, I have a question for the posters here.

Are you happy when Cavan lose as long as we "play well and put in a good performance"?

I'll start. No I'm not happy, I want to see the team win no matter how or who we play.

What do others think?

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 21/05/2022 11:17:48    2419120

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