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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I wonder if any of the U20 lads will get a run out… O Rourke the midfielder and the lad who played full back would be good additions… I would put Lovett in one of the corner positions…. he is way ahead of either of the 2 starters v Donegal… I know Lovett is young but would do well against the type opponent he would face in this competition and he would gain great experience too…."
Are you honestly suggesting Lovett is "way ahead" of Paddy Lynch? How many times have you seen Lovett play? Great prospect but get real.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 11912 - 18/05/2022 12:38:21    2418362

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Are you honestly suggesting Lovett is "way ahead" of Paddy Lynch? How many times have you seen Lovett play? Great prospect but get real."
In no way did I suggest he was ahead of Paddy Lynch… l was saying he is better than the 2 lined out corner forwards from the last day… ( Reilly and Madden )…. I think there is more scores in him than either of those….and remember if you can't score you can't win….simple

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 18/05/2022 13:05:32    2418374

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Replying To cavanman47:  "The last time I can recall cavan being overwhelming favourites for a game was when we played Waterford back in March.

We won by 20 points."
I recall we lost to them as well when we were 1/33 to win the match….. never take any team for granted…!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 18/05/2022 13:07:51    2418375

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I wonder if any of the U20 lads will get a run out… O Rourke the midfielder and the lad who played full back would be good additions… I would put Lovett in one of the corner positions…. he is way ahead of either of the 2 starters v Donegal… I know Lovett is young but would do well against the type opponent he would face in this competition and he would gain great experience too…."
Can't see how anyone would come in from the cold here and start an inter county match, especially an U20. By all accounts, it can take bulk of young players 2 seasons to get up to speed of inter county, the load expected, the plays, and so on. Paddy Lynch sure took time last year to get up to speed, and only was able to kick on this year once he had the requisite training and gym work at this level under him. Play who we have there training and up to speed, not busting a young fella before he even gets a proper look inside the camp. That's a recipe for putting a lad out of the game lads confidence and such. You need to manage them properly, like come on...

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1857 - 18/05/2022 13:26:07    2418385

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "In no way did I suggest he was ahead of Paddy Lynch… l was saying he is better than the 2 lined out corner forwards from the last day… ( Reilly and Madden )…. I think there is more scores in him than either of those….and remember if you can't score you can't win….simple"
Madden didn't play in the forward line though, even with 15 on his back, he was out the field. It was a forward line of Lynch and Cormac O'Reilly, so when you mentioned the 2 who started, that's who I thought you meant as well...

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1857 - 18/05/2022 13:28:03    2418386

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Can't see how anyone would come in from the cold here and start an inter county match, especially an U20. By all accounts, it can take bulk of young players 2 seasons to get up to speed of inter county, the load expected, the plays, and so on. Paddy Lynch sure took time last year to get up to speed, and only was able to kick on this year once he had the requisite training and gym work at this level under him. Play who we have there training and up to speed, not busting a young fella before he even gets a proper look inside the camp. That's a recipe for putting a lad out of the game lads confidence and such. You need to manage them properly, like come on..."
Well the U 20 full back was on the bench against Donegal so that puts paid to that argument…. Playing Div 3/4 opponents would hardly be too much to ask of a 19/20 year old…? Now come on if they are not fit for that forget about them altogether….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 18/05/2022 16:07:23    2418469

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Lovett wouldn't be eligible to play Senior County this year. He is 18 in this calendar year,

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2475 - 18/05/2022 16:29:53    2418484

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Lovett wouldn't be eligible to play Senior County this year. He is 18 in this calendar year,"
Oh that's fine… he is still very young… On a different but similar note the rule of stopping senior inter county players from playing with the U 20 side is an absolute joke…. What clown came up with that idea…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 18/05/2022 17:34:23    2418510

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Well the U 20 full back was on the bench against Donegal so that puts paid to that argument…. Playing Div 3/4 opponents would hardly be too much to ask of a 19/20 year old…? Now come on if they are not fit for that forget about them altogether…."
I am not saying that someone U20 is not good enough for the level, I'm simply saying that the player you mention had not been in the squad so has not been to this level, to just parachute him into inter county football as you want. Again you fail to grasp the point someone makes.

And is he even over the age of 17 allowed to play? We got our wrist slapped for Caoimhin McGovern a few years back. And to note, he was in and training with the team then

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1857 - 18/05/2022 19:04:54    2418526

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I have to say I have always admired Mikey Graham as manager. I think Cavan need to keep him for a few more years. Let him try and build up again. He won a brilliant Ulster title. Of course you will have ups and downs but he is real good manager. And given time I can see him getting Cavan back up to div 1 and winning another Ulster manager. He is the best manager quipped to bring Cavan on, a really good manager.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1062 - 18/05/2022 22:00:04    2418558

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "I have to say I have always admired Mikey Graham as manager. I think Cavan need to keep him for a few more years. Let him try and build up again. He won a brilliant Ulster title. Of course you will have ups and downs but he is real good manager. And given time I can see him getting Cavan back up to div 1 and winning another Ulster manager. He is the best manager quipped to bring Cavan on, a really good manager."
I agree. It's not the time to change the Manager. Hopefully he will get a 2 year term to continue what he's doing.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 19/05/2022 09:46:34    2418583

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "I am not saying that someone U20 is not good enough for the level, I'm simply saying that the player you mention had not been in the squad so has not been to this level, to just parachute him into inter county football as you want. Again you fail to grasp the point someone makes.

And is he even over the age of 17 allowed to play? We got our wrist slapped for Caoimhin McGovern a few years back. And to note, he was in and training with the team then"
You are correct he can't play but his time will come…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 19/05/2022 09:58:32    2418591

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I wonder if any of the U20 lads will get a run out… O Rourke the midfielder and the lad who played full back would be good additions… I would put Lovett in one of the corner positions…. he is way ahead of either of the 2 starters v Donegal… I know Lovett is young but would do well against the type opponent he would face in this competition and he would gain great experience too…."
does anyone know what u20 players have been brought into the senior setup?? i know Cian Reilly & Fintan Reilly were on the panel previously and Cian Reilly should be pushing hard for a starting position based on his u20 performances.
presume Cormac Brady and Breen O Rourke who were both outstanding in all the u20 championship games have been called up. Brady keeping Canavan scoreless from play in the final was exceptional when you see how canavan played in the all ireland semi & final afterwards and O'Rourke gave a exhibition of midfield play especially in the first half of the final. Lovett also had a fantastic campaign and should be included for the experience and possibly Tiarnan madden

bond (Longford) - Posts: 165 - 19/05/2022 10:50:09    2418611

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "You are correct he can't play but his time will come…"
His time will come alright. And it'll come on the back of being in the squad, building up the load, and showing the coaches that he will be able to make the step up, and doing it when he's ready

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1857 - 19/05/2022 11:05:50    2418616

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "I have to say I have always admired Mikey Graham as manager. I think Cavan need to keep him for a few more years. Let him try and build up again. He won a brilliant Ulster title. Of course you will have ups and downs but he is real good manager. And given time I can see him getting Cavan back up to div 1 and winning another Ulster manager. He is the best manager quipped to bring Cavan on, a really good manager."
Couldn't agree more Micky needs to be the man to bring this team forward I've already stated after the Donegal game that the CB give him and his team all the tools he needs otherwise our loss will be some other county's gain because he's definitely building something here and we're not that far away from the so called elite county's.

[email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 111 - 19/05/2022 12:13:18    2418647

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "I have to say I have always admired Mikey Graham as manager. I think Cavan need to keep him for a few more years. Let him try and build up again. He won a brilliant Ulster title. Of course you will have ups and downs but he is real good manager. And given time I can see him getting Cavan back up to div 1 and winning another Ulster manager. He is the best manager quipped to bring Cavan on, a really good manager."
Fully agree. We had some lads here back a few months saying this should be Grahams last year and he should walk. Like mad stuff. Hope he's tied down and he's let do the work he needs to. He knows what's needed and needs to be given the time to do so

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1857 - 19/05/2022 12:43:53    2418669

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Replying To bond:  "does anyone know what u20 players have been brought into the senior setup?? i know Cian Reilly & Fintan Reilly were on the panel previously and Cian Reilly should be pushing hard for a starting position based on his u20 performances.
presume Cormac Brady and Breen O Rourke who were both outstanding in all the u20 championship games have been called up. Brady keeping Canavan scoreless from play in the final was exceptional when you see how canavan played in the all ireland semi & final afterwards and O'Rourke gave a exhibition of midfield play especially in the first half of the final. Lovett also had a fantastic campaign and should be included for the experience and possibly Tiarnan madden"
I've been told the 5 U20s gone to senior panel are Leddy and Fionntain O'Reilly from Bridge, Lovett & Cian Reilly from Killygarry and Niall Carolan from Cuchulainns.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 470 - 19/05/2022 12:58:51    2418677

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Fully agree. We had some lads here back a few months saying this should be Grahams last year and he should walk. Like mad stuff. Hope he's tied down and he's let do the work he needs to. He knows what's needed and needs to be given the time to do so"
Let's not get carried away here…. Cavan would probably have waltzed through Division 4, beat a woeful Antrim team and get beaten by Donegal if Paddy Pothooks was in charge…. He did manage us to an Ulster title (2020) while in charge but at the same time took us from Division 1 to Division 4 for the first time in our history… He needs to get us back to been competitive in Division 2 before I'd be placing him on any pedestal…. When he took over we were regularly playing the top teams and after 4 years in charge we had the might of London and Waterford to name two as opponents….. If that makes you a great manager the country is full of them…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 19/05/2022 13:16:10    2418689

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Replying To BreffniGuide:  "I've been told the 5 U20s gone to senior panel are Leddy and Fionntain O'Reilly from Bridge, Lovett & Cian Reilly from Killygarry and Niall Carolan from Cuchulainns."
surprised by that if its accurate as per my previous post in my opinion having seen all 3 u20 championship games Brady & o'Rourke along with Reilly & Lovett were the stand out performers

bond (Longford) - Posts: 165 - 19/05/2022 13:44:57    2418702

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Let's not get carried away here…. Cavan would probably have waltzed through Division 4, beat a woeful Antrim team and get beaten by Donegal if Paddy Pothooks was in charge…. He did manage us to an Ulster title (2020) while in charge but at the same time took us from Division 1 to Division 4 for the first time in our history… He needs to get us back to been competitive in Division 2 before I'd be placing him on any pedestal…. When he took over we were regularly playing the top teams and after 4 years in charge we had the might of London and Waterford to name two as opponents….. If that makes you a great manager the country is full of them…"
The direct style of football he played against Donegal would be a major plus in keeping him I'd say.
He's something to build on there. He had a right go at Donegal with that style.
Yes we are short a few corner forwards and I hope he gives the panel a chance to stake their claim before introducing u20s this year.
Yes another 1/2 promotions is vital for development and I'd say he's the best man around for the job at the moment.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 19/05/2022 13:46:49    2418703

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