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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "Reading through the comments, I have a question for the posters here.

Are you happy when Cavan lose as long as we "play well and put in a good performance"?

I'll start. No I'm not happy, I want to see the team win no matter how or who we play.

What do others think?"
Nobody's happy when you lose but if you lose having a real go like we did against Donegal it shows you left everything on the pitch and I can put up with that. It gives hope. And that's what the Donegal game gave. You look for hope for the future in a performance not just the result.
Football seems to be changing to a more direct style which was very noticeable in the Tyrone v Kildare u20 final where it was end to end stuff. And they are 2 counties not noted lately for playing attacking football.
Even the Donegal v Derry game produced good football .

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 21/05/2022 11:55:48    2419136

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "Reading through the comments, I have a question for the posters here.

Are you happy when Cavan lose as long as we "play well and put in a good performance"?

I'll start. No I'm not happy, I want to see the team win no matter how or who we play.

What do others think?"
Reading thru which comments?


I want us to win every time we play. And if that means playing unattractive football to achieve that, then fine. The end justifies the means as far as I'm concerned. (Likewise, if we use the league as simply a preparation opportunity for the championship, and it results in our first ulster title in a generation then that approach is proven to have paid off).


When I read thru the comments on here, what stands out to me is that some poster will never be happy no matter how we win games, and will throw out any mad theory they can think of to detract from the team's success. That's a worrying outlook to have, and I feel sorry for them.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4682 - 21/05/2022 12:22:27    2419145

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "Reading through the comments, I have a question for the posters here.

Are you happy when Cavan lose as long as we "play well and put in a good performance"?

I'll start. No I'm not happy, I want to see the team win no matter how or who we play.

What do others think?"
Personally no, I'm not happy. Always want to win. Still annoyed with the Donegal result, that we did start so well, but didn't take the goal chances which could have changed the game. I'd add something else to what you ask. I can be happy that we did turn up, that we brought a good plan and energy, that we overall did perform well, but be annoyed that we didn't see it out. So it maybe can be both, but I'm still overall not happy, if you get me (might not be explaining it well). Frustration maybe, as we know what they can do.

Like we can always take things from a good performance and build towards something, sure, and you do need that to see where you're going after a loss and what was good and bad in it. But my annoyance and frustration is that we have too many of those plucky losers games. Need to turn more of those to wins. It's just too often for us

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1857 - 21/05/2022 12:28:18    2419150

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "We ran Donegal to a 6 point defeat in the Ulster Championship . How does that show we are " lions in the summer" as you call it?
Get real man.
If we are the " Lions" you think we are then they should present us with the Tailteann Cup BEFORE the Down game."
I didn't say we were. I said that more about them. But we're certainly not great in the Spring and bad in the Summer either. We're usually definitely bad in the Spring, but a bit better in the summer, but absolutely not Lions (you actually hardly think I was saying that about us). You're again getting mad at something I didn't say, but something you yourself interpreted from my post. What are you actually on about, before the Down game? Calm down, will you

And come on now, the 6 point margin did not reflect the game, as you well know. Many were impressed with our tactics and directness. It's annoying we lost, as that game was a lot closer and we had the chances

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1857 - 21/05/2022 12:34:06    2419154

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Reading thru which comments?


I want us to win every time we play. And if that means playing unattractive football to achieve that, then fine. The end justifies the means as far as I'm concerned. (Likewise, if we use the league as simply a preparation opportunity for the championship, and it results in our first ulster title in a generation then that approach is proven to have paid off).


When I read thru the comments on here, what stands out to me is that some poster will never be happy no matter how we win games, and will throw out any mad theory they can think of to detract from the team's success. That's a worrying outlook to have, and I feel sorry for them."
I agree the end justifies the means. I honestly don't care if we play ultra negative boring football, if we win I'm happy.

I find that there are a few posters consoling themselves with a "good performance" against Donegal, and it seems to me that that have lost sight of the ultimate objective which is to actually win these games, not just play well. They're finding moral victories where there are none. Perhaps it is a coping mechanism, but it is just my observation.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 21/05/2022 12:50:05    2419159

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Personally no, I'm not happy. Always want to win. Still annoyed with the Donegal result, that we did start so well, but didn't take the goal chances which could have changed the game. I'd add something else to what you ask. I can be happy that we did turn up, that we brought a good plan and energy, that we overall did perform well, but be annoyed that we didn't see it out. So it maybe can be both, but I'm still overall not happy, if you get me (might not be explaining it well). Frustration maybe, as we know what they can do.

Like we can always take things from a good performance and build towards something, sure, and you do need that to see where you're going after a loss and what was good and bad in it. But my annoyance and frustration is that we have too many of those plucky losers games. Need to turn more of those to wins. It's just too often for us"
Yeah I agree with that, we have too many "heroic defeats", which I think has just become endemic in many supporters to the extent that many have lost sight of the actual objective which is to win games, no matter who we play.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 21/05/2022 15:05:18    2419187

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "Yeah I agree with that, we have too many "heroic defeats", which I think has just become endemic in many supporters to the extent that many have lost sight of the actual objective which is to win games, no matter who we play."
You must realise number 1 it's a sport .
Your suppose to get enjoyment from it be it playing or watching it.
I'd rather be beaten by at least having a go like we did against Donegal than lose an 0-11 to 0-9 playing the negative backward lateral [email protected]@@e that we played for years.
That kinda stuff puts supporters off and more importantly players.
You only have to look back and see all the players that left the panel when we were playing that kind of crap.
Now at least everyone wants to play and is interested.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 22/05/2022 12:03:49    2419350

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "You must realise number 1 it's a sport .
Your suppose to get enjoyment from it be it playing or watching it.
I'd rather be beaten by at least having a go like we did against Donegal than lose an 0-11 to 0-9 playing the negative backward lateral [email protected]@@e that we played for years.
That kinda stuff puts supporters off and more importantly players.
You only have to look back and see all the players that left the panel when we were playing that kind of crap.
Now at least everyone wants to play and is interested."
So, as a Cavan fan, would you rather:

A. Win an Ulster by a point or two title playing ultra negative football that is awful to watch?, Or,
B. Go out in the first round playing beautiful attractive fast paced football and lose by 3 or 4?

For me this is a simple answer. A all the way. Nobody remembers "good performances". History records title winners.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 22/05/2022 13:53:43    2419387

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "You must realise number 1 it's a sport .
Your suppose to get enjoyment from it be it playing or watching it.
I'd rather be beaten by at least having a go like we did against Donegal than lose an 0-11 to 0-9 playing the negative backward lateral [email protected]@@e that we played for years.
That kinda stuff puts supporters off and more importantly players.
You only have to look back and see all the players that left the panel when we were playing that kind of crap.
Now at least everyone wants to play and is interested."
Are you literally eating you'd rather lose playing well, than win playing badly? Your first line is about it being a sport. Winning is what matters

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1857 - 22/05/2022 14:32:19    2419398

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Are you literally eating you'd rather lose playing well, than win playing badly? Your first line is about it being a sport. Winning is what matters"
2 Ulster titles in 53 years. Yeah it seems to matter a lot doesn't it??

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 22/05/2022 18:02:39    2419484

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "So, as a Cavan fan, would you rather:

A. Win an Ulster by a point or two title playing ultra negative football that is awful to watch?, Or,
B. Go out in the first round playing beautiful attractive fast paced football and lose by 3 or 4?

For me this is a simple answer. A all the way. Nobody remembers "good performances". History records title winners."
Then why all the talk on here about our good performance v Donegal…..? I'm almost certain we lost that match…!!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 22/05/2022 21:18:36    2419548

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "2 Ulster titles in 53 years. Yeah it seems to matter a lot doesn't it??"
Well like exactly. We can't very well be picky, can we? If we win a title playing badly, I'll take that all day long.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1857 - 22/05/2022 21:46:22    2419555

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Then why all the talk on here about our good performance v Donegal…..? I'm almost certain we lost that match…!!!!"
That's exactly my point. I'm saying that some people seem to be consoling themselves with a "good performance". I would have rathered playing poorly but getting a positive result. Like someone else said, winning is all that matters.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 571 - 23/05/2022 08:40:27    2419565

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "2 Ulster titles in 53 years. Yeah it seems to matter a lot doesn't it??"
It's 3 I believe

[email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 111 - 23/05/2022 10:16:22    2419604

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Replying To [email protected]:  "It's 3 I believe"
Well, to be fair, if we're technical about it, it is 53 seasons from 1970 to 2022. So it is 2 in that time frame

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1857 - 23/05/2022 11:16:04    2419626

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "You must realise number 1 it's a sport .
Your suppose to get enjoyment from it be it playing or watching it.
I'd rather be beaten by at least having a go like we did against Donegal than lose an 0-11 to 0-9 playing the negative backward lateral [email protected]@@e that we played for years.
That kinda stuff puts supporters off and more importantly players.
You only have to look back and see all the players that left the panel when we were playing that kind of crap.
Now at least everyone wants to play and is interested."
Would that include the 6 Ramor lads who turned down the request to come in and train with the panel, 1 of whom was part of the panel last year?

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4682 - 23/05/2022 11:24:04    2419628

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Would that include the 6 Ramor lads who turned down the request to come in and train with the panel, 1 of whom was part of the panel last year?"
Not sure what the point is here, or why highlight it. They were asked in, they didn't come in as couldn't commit. Surely we want players in, who want to be there. I'd rather they opt out rather than half ass it. It's a big commitment these days

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1857 - 23/05/2022 11:55:16    2419654

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Well, to be fair, if we're technical about it, it is 53 seasons from 1970 to 2022. So it is 2 in that time frame"
Not being technical 2022 - 1969 is 53 years it's still 3 Ulsters whatever way you dress it up.

[email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 111 - 23/05/2022 12:26:40    2419664

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Replying To [email protected]:  "Not being technical 2022 - 1969 is 53 years it's still 3 Ulsters whatever way you dress it up."
No matter what way you dress it up 3 Ulsters in 53 years is a pretty dismal return….!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 23/05/2022 12:57:54    2419675

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "No matter what way you dress it up 3 Ulsters in 53 years is a pretty dismal return….!!"
Whats the point in keeping on saying this statistic. If we won ulster next year and the year after it would be 5 ulsters in 55 years which would look terrible on the face of it but isn't that bad and I am sure we would all give our left ball for such a result. It strikes me you looking for the most negative statistic possible for some reason, especially give there are counties with worse records. Derry havent won ulster in 24 years believe it or not. Armagh havent won it in 14 years and havent even been in a final in 14 years. Down, the aristocrats, havent won Ulster since 1994, 28 years ago. A lot of "big counties" in Ulster have worse records than us.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1468 - 23/05/2022 13:40:51    2419715

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