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Replying To RHF:  "think for the Donegal game in full forward would be MC Kiernans best position with Martin Reilly playing off him.
Murphy will take a bit of watching especially when in position and McKiernan not the man for tracking back following him.
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 88 - 27/04/2022 13:32:37

Why would Mckiernan be tracking Murphy?"
He won't track anybody…that's going to be the problem..!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 28/04/2022 09:56:04    2413776

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Well if McKiernan plays out the field he'd have to tract Murphy otherwise stand up looking at him.
On the law of averages Murphy will get more ball than McKiernan"
Well if McKiernan plays out the field he'd have to tract Murphy otherwise stand up looking at him.
On the law of averages Murphy will get more ball than McKiernan
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 89 - 27/04/2022 19:55:28

McKiernan lines out 90% of the time at centre forward i think he will be staying there and won't be tasked with marking Murphy.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 737 - 28/04/2022 10:13:10    2413784

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Well if McKiernan plays out the field he'd have to tract Murphy otherwise stand up looking at him.
On the law of averages Murphy will get more ball than McKiernan"
Whens the last time you saw Cavan play? 1969 is it. Mckiernan will be nowhere near Michael Murphy. Talk about showing how absolutely clueless you are in one post about Cavan football.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1468 - 28/04/2022 18:43:35    2413949

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Replying To fredflint:  "Whens the last time you saw Cavan play? 1969 is it. Mckiernan will be nowhere near Michael Murphy. Talk about showing how absolutely clueless you are in one post about Cavan football."
Murphy will play around midfield like he always does. On the ball going forward. McKiernan has been playing centre forward /midfield going forward. To say they won't meet shows your level of intelligence. Watch and see how many times they meet. In fact count them and tell me the number of times. It will give you something to do.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 29/04/2022 09:40:10    2413992

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Murphy will play around midfield like he always does. On the ball going forward. McKiernan has been playing centre forward /midfield going forward. To say they won't meet shows your level of intelligence. Watch and see how many times they meet. In fact count them and tell me the number of times. It will give you something to do."
I will yeh, I will be at the game so I will keep a note as you wont be able to count them sitting at home with foreverblue watching it on tv or maybe listening on the radio as premier league might be on tv.

A bigger concern for me is whether Raymond Galligan will be able to track Ban Gallagher. Could be the winning or losing of the game. I also hope that Gerry Smith can keep Declan Bonner quiet, he has a wicked left foot.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1468 - 29/04/2022 09:48:57    2413994

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Replying To fredflint:  "I will yeh, I will be at the game so I will keep a note as you wont be able to count them sitting at home with foreverblue watching it on tv or maybe listening on the radio as premier league might be on tv.

A bigger concern for me is whether Raymond Galligan will be able to track Ban Gallagher. Could be the winning or losing of the game. I also hope that Gerry Smith can keep Declan Bonner quiet, he has a wicked left foot."
Well Galligan comes out far enough so that shouldn't be a problem.
And as long as the forwards coach has the boys on their game it leave you with nothing to moan about!!

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 29/04/2022 12:03:08    2414039

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "League and Championship all played in 2022 … We played Division 4 so we are Div 4 until 2023… You really do a lot of clutching at straws"
But you called us a Division 4 team last year after we played (half) a Division 3 campaign. And I'm almost sure you called us a Division 3 team when we won Ulster even though we played Division 2 that season. I'm not clutching at straws, I'm simply saying you can't have it both ways. We're either than Division on relegation, or not at promotion. But we can't be both...

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1858 - 29/04/2022 12:16:20    2414046

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Replying To fredflint:  "I will yeh, I will be at the game so I will keep a note as you wont be able to count them sitting at home with foreverblue watching it on tv or maybe listening on the radio as premier league might be on tv.

A bigger concern for me is whether Raymond Galligan will be able to track Ban Gallagher. Could be the winning or losing of the game. I also hope that Gerry Smith can keep Declan Bonner quiet, he has a wicked left foot."
You would be better off at home Fredflint as it's fairly obvious you haven't a clue about football..Galligan would be served better staying in goals and keeping his motor mouth shut… As for McKiernan he will track nobody and that's the big worry…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 29/04/2022 15:46:17    2414077

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Tickets for Sunday week released there this afternoon. With the double header with the ladies, and it being a semi in Clones, think it'll sell well. Just bought a fair few tickets there for the family. Think lots will be the same, after a lot didn't travel last week. Looking forward to it already!

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1858 - 29/04/2022 16:26:37    2414080

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "But you called us a Division 4 team last year after we played (half) a Division 3 campaign. And I'm almost sure you called us a Division 3 team when we won Ulster even though we played Division 2 that season. I'm not clutching at straws, I'm simply saying you can't have it both ways. We're either than Division on relegation, or not at promotion. But we can't be both..."
We're whichever is lowest, i.e. whatever the most negative spin can be put on it.

When beating Donegal in an Ulster final doesn't count because we "weren't drawn on the same side of the draw as them" you know someone is on the windup. He's taken it to the main forum now too.

You'd miss Tom Smith

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4682 - 29/04/2022 17:36:23    2414083

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "But you called us a Division 4 team last year after we played (half) a Division 3 campaign. And I'm almost sure you called us a Division 3 team when we won Ulster even though we played Division 2 that season. I'm not clutching at straws, I'm simply saying you can't have it both ways. We're either than Division on relegation, or not at promotion. But we can't be both..."
Simply put we played in Div 4 this year so we are a Div 4 team…. Next year we are a Div 3 team… silly stuff saying we are not a Div 4 team…smacks of arrogance…. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck there's a good chance it is a duck… simple

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 29/04/2022 17:51:10    2414085

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i am really looking forward to the semi final. Cavan had huge support in 2020 i would say we our numbered Donegal by eight to one but sadly we never got to raise our voices and flags to show our support as we were beaten out the gate from early on which was such a pity as if Cavan had of played any where near the performance they produced in 2021 the support would have been a sight to behold. Hopefully our great support will get to raise their flags and voices in a weeks time.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 186 - 29/04/2022 21:56:44    2414102

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Simply put we played in Div 4 this year so we are a Div 4 team…. Next year we are a Div 3 team… silly stuff saying we are not a Div 4 team…smacks of arrogance…. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck there's a good chance it is a duck… simple"
So then you were wrong calling us a Division 4 team last year? Got it.

And you're still wrong. It's why Limerick and Louth are now classed as Division 2, and will go into the qualifiers, not the Tailteann after being promoted, while Down and Offaly go the opposite way despite playing Division 2 this year. In the GAA, once you're promoted, you're classed as the Division above immediately, and vice versa. Like it's not hard to see that pal

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1858 - 30/04/2022 12:29:49    2414145

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Replying To cavanman47:  "We're whichever is lowest, i.e. whatever the most negative spin can be put on it.

When beating Donegal in an Ulster final doesn't count because we "weren't drawn on the same side of the draw as them" you know someone is on the windup. He's taken it to the main forum now too.

You'd miss Tom Smith"
Exactly. He just picks the worst and most negative on whatever situation he looks out. Even when he's been proven wrong repeatedly

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1858 - 30/04/2022 12:30:50    2414147

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Derry showing what can be done when you turn up with the right attitude and wanting to play. Turning the tables on the odds and League position with a massive win against the All Ireland champions. As we all know is the case for next week. Donegal will be wary now, as they should be, but no reason we can't go out and make a good account of ourselves. This is the Ulster championship after all. An Cabhán Abú!!

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1858 - 01/05/2022 19:38:15    2414465

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Derry showing what can be done when you turn up with the right attitude and wanting to play. Turning the tables on the odds and League position with a massive win against the All Ireland champions. As we all know is the case for next week. Donegal will be wary now, as they should be, but no reason we can't go out and make a good account of ourselves. This is the Ulster championship after all. An Cabhán Abú!!"
Let's see what Cavan Team turns up. Looking the way Derry and Galway Hurlers played it will take 75 minutes of total work rate to get a result. Going missing for long periods like we did against London and Tipperary won't work against a team like Donegal.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 03/05/2022 10:37:05    2414492

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Let's see what Cavan Team turns up. Looking the way Derry and Galway Hurlers played it will take 75 minutes of total work rate to get a result. Going missing for long periods like we did against London and Tipperary won't work against a team like Donegal."
Yep, agreed. We're going to need a full performance, and like you say, if we switch off like those games, we won't be in it.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1858 - 03/05/2022 11:41:17    2414516

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Derry showing what can be done when you turn up with the right attitude and wanting to play. Turning the tables on the odds and League position with a massive win against the All Ireland champions. As we all know is the case for next week. Donegal will be wary now, as they should be, but no reason we can't go out and make a good account of ourselves. This is the Ulster championship after all. An Cabhán Abú!!"
I don't think the Derry result was a huge surprise as Tyrone did not look great v Fermanagh…. I don't think all is well within that squad.. Derry had a very good league and almost made it to Division 1 so I don't a huge difference in their league standings… Cavan can trouble Donegal if they up their work rate and move the ball with speed into our forwards… If we play a slow build up like we did in most of our league games we will be swallowed up and constantly turned over by Donegal… I would put McKiernan on the edge of the square and try and get quick ball into him… he just won't put in the hard yards further out the field… If it's a good warm day all the better as I have seen Murphy struggling at times when the sun is beating down… Their team is fairly similar to the one we beat in 2020 so there is no reason we can't run them close again or will 2 wasted years playing against poor teams come back to haunt us…. Roll on Sunday it promises to be a cracker…!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 03/05/2022 13:11:51    2414575

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I don't think the Derry result was a huge surprise as Tyrone did not look great v Fermanagh…. I don't think all is well within that squad.. Derry had a very good league and almost made it to Division 1 so I don't a huge difference in their league standings… Cavan can trouble Donegal if they up their work rate and move the ball with speed into our forwards… If we play a slow build up like we did in most of our league games we will be swallowed up and constantly turned over by Donegal… I would put McKiernan on the edge of the square and try and get quick ball into him… he just won't put in the hard yards further out the field… If it's a good warm day all the better as I have seen Murphy struggling at times when the sun is beating down… Their team is fairly similar to the one we beat in 2020 so there is no reason we can't run them close again or will 2 wasted years playing against poor teams come back to haunt us…. Roll on Sunday it promises to be a cracker…!!!"
By your own metrics, Tyrone are a Division 1 mainstay, while there was 2 points between Derry and Cavan last year, after they've rose from Division 4 to 2 in successive years. By any measure, Derry were huge underdogs. But that didn't matter with the way they went out there, so again, League doesn't show us all. But yes, do need a higher tempo game. I reckon we do have the gears to go through, gears we haven't even tried to get into. We've showed it at times this year, and the slowing things down seem to maybe be us sandbagging and not showing our hand too much. This now is the game to open up and show what we can do, put together more than just 5 or 10 minutes here or there. The phony war is over, this is the real stuff.

Disagree with your McKiernan suggestion. What good would this do? James Smith has been put into that area, and bar his shooting boots, he has been very good in there at winning ball. Just needs to think on his shot selection, or bring others into play after winning it. McKiernan works better out the field while moving quickly in towards the D. He's never been a target man, he's more a mover, so stick with what he's good at. On the box makes no sense for him.

No reason indeed we can't go at these. We have a good team, looks balanced enough, and has experience in all the right places. Nothing to lose here and Donegal know all the pressure and expectation is on them. Think we've a better and more astute head on the line (Bonner has lost a fair few tactical battles when they were expected to win), so we'll have a good plan in place, it'll be up to the lads to execute it. No room for any passengers Sunday, all to a man need to stand up and be big for the occasion.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1858 - 03/05/2022 13:53:06    2414590

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Oh, and any word on players, or challenges we've played? I'm expecting Marty Reilly, Holla Brady, and Oisin Kiernan to be in with a shout of starting. These are the lads you need back. Holla has played club matches since Antrim, so has more minutes in the legs which he needed. Kiernan should have a bank of fitness already built up to a moth ago, and Marty is Marty. Very strong squad to pick from, which we haven't been able to properly since 2020...

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1858 - 03/05/2022 13:55:56    2414593

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