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Donegal looked decent against Armagh. I'd expect them to win, but I do think we have a chance of an upset so 4/1 to me looks spot on. Unquestionably, Cavan are a better Ulster championship team than a league team, and even at the weekend you could see a vast improvement.

It will take a huge performance from us if we are to cause an upset, but it is within our capabilities IF the attitude is right. We also seem to have strong options from the bench, so if the game is in the melting pot within the last 15 minutes, we have good options in the likes of Marty and Holla.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 571 - 25/04/2022 17:08:01    2413181

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Fredflint at least Forever Blue give an opinion. All you do is comment on what other Posters say. You don't seem to have any opinion on games yourself. Is it because you can't read a game or summarise what you see on telly!
Maybe you can't understand the commentary on TG4 because it's in Gaeilge.
Suppose the easy option is to be critical of other posters. tá tú i bpian sa pholl déarfainn nár chiceáil tú liathróid riamh i do shaol"
Here is an opinion for you, saying a few words as Gaelige doesn't make you clever. If you were clever you could click on the different pages here and see plenty of my opinions. You possibly wouldn't understand them but they are there for you. Don't don't be cranky, I'm sure Cavan will lose a game soon and you'll be happy out.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1468 - 25/04/2022 18:22:27    2413199

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Completely agree. I keep trying to zone out the negativity, but sometimes they have to be challenged. We do look to have a very strong panel coming. The subs and lads to come back from injury in the next few weeks is very encouraging. We should be excited for the next few weeks and building up for Donegal. I myself will drop any more replies to them, but will concentrate on the team and the build up, and not jet them take us down. Very excited for the next few weeks to discuss and read up on it. Can't wait!"
Some people just can't handle the truth… As I said nothing has changed… we won a game we were totally expected to win… Paddy Power hadn't us 4/9 for no reason but some were fearful because of our poor form… Some players will have to step up their performance big time v. Donegal or we will be dust… This will be Cavans biggest step up in class since the Tyrone game and we know how that went… If we miss the same percentage of chances as we did last Saturday we will have no chance….and remember most of those misses were when we were under no pressure…. there will be no such space afforded next time out… It's really a free hit for the team as they won't be expected to win but it will show where we are and if there has been any real improvement since the Tyrone game…. no much in the games since that would suggest there has been but we will see…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 25/04/2022 18:27:17    2413202

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The Cavan victory was thoroughly enjoyed, and bring on Donegal. A strong team, but a team have had good experience against. Great to see strong players returning, and the team coming together. An Breifne Abú

You got to love the Sunday Game last night. Firstly Des Cahill announces ''that the other Ulster game today was Cavan and Antrim in Corrigan Park'', ah Des game was Saturday, always with a foot in mouth. Then you have a commentator wrongly naming scoring players at least three times in a one camera angle clip, and then the analysts critically discuss the game for all of 45 seconds. Ah RTÉ, you always make my mouth go stale and numb. But this is exactly what Mickey and his boys will want. Keep the boys eager, hunger, and waiting in the long grass.

Cavan67 (Cavan) - Posts: 6 - 25/04/2022 18:57:21    2413211

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Completely agree. I keep trying to zone out the negativity, but sometimes they have to be challenged. We do look to have a very strong panel coming. The subs and lads to come back from injury in the next few weeks is very encouraging. We should be excited for the next few weeks and building up for Donegal. I myself will drop any more replies to them, but will concentrate on the team and the build up, and not jet them take us down. Very excited for the next few weeks to discuss and read up on it. Can't wait!"
Cavan will have to start well against Donegal as they did in 2020 they cant afford to miss chances like they did in the first half against Antrim but i am confident that there will be a big step up in performance as they all know what is at stake and hopefully we will come out on the right side of what should be a great game

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 187 - 25/04/2022 20:20:15    2413223

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "But you're looking at League only. Is there any point in going full bore all February but filling the togs in Championship? Like go back and compare Armagh and Cavan and tell me who is better. We're not a Division 4 team, as Mickey Harte and multiple others have said. Don't let league position blind you to what each do in Championship. We're far better than them in Championship over the last number of years. That is very clear to see. If you want to look that is"
We certainly are not a better team than Armagh at the moment. I dont get this "we are not a div 4 team" then how the hell did we end up there. why are Monaghan,Armagh,Kildare,Roscommon,Clare not in div 4 or div 3. We should have been able to stay in div 2 and then Div 3 . what went wrong ?. Arguably we should be a better team now then when we won Ulster. same panel almost , young players are fitter stringer have more experience, we have added some quality to the forwards. I actually think we are a better team. I think Armagh have improved considerably since we played them in Ulster. I would love it if we were competing and beating the top teams in div 1.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5483 - 25/04/2022 20:27:33    2413225

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Replying To s goldrick:  "We certainly are not a better team than Armagh at the moment. I dont get this "we are not a div 4 team" then how the hell did we end up there. why are Monaghan,Armagh,Kildare,Roscommon,Clare not in div 4 or div 3. We should have been able to stay in div 2 and then Div 3 . what went wrong ?. Arguably we should be a better team now then when we won Ulster. same panel almost , young players are fitter stringer have more experience, we have added some quality to the forwards. I actually think we are a better team. I think Armagh have improved considerably since we played them in Ulster. I would love it if we were competing and beating the top teams in div 1."
We've debated this ad nauseum on this forum before. I feel there are many reasons we needed up in the Division we did, including 2 very disrupted years, one of which was a joke of a split setup. The main one though, is a manager who sets up our season towards Championship, and does not (or at least did not) use the league as the main competition. You speak to most people, and most pundits, and they see Cavan as a Division 2 grade team. Which I feel is about right. As our Championship results are far different than League. That result Saturday is something we did not see all League, we looked a completely different team.

We're like that lurcher dog in the film Man About Dog (if anyone remembers that?). Put him in the race with the fake rabbit, and he's not bothered. In the coursing with a real hare though, he comes alive. We're like the same. Not bothered all Spring, but heat of the Championship, we're far better. Like we only have to look at the records. Played 10, won 7, drew 1 and lost 2 in 4 years of Ulster Championship. Bulk of that on the back of 3 relegations. From 2016 to 2018 we had a great League record, but were absolutely brutal in Championship. So which is better? It's clear which we target, and maybe as a small county, it's about right.

Compare that to Armaghs Championship record (or even Monaghans recent Championship record since 2016) and going full bore all Spring for League might not be the best thing for smaller counties with stretched resources. Armagh have won 2 Ulster Championship matches in 8 years with McGeeney. How has being near the top Division been for them?

I would absolutely love to be competing at Division 1 level too, I really would. But when we did, our Championship suffered. I know which I'd prefer. For what it's worth, think our level is Division 2 and we need to get back there.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 26/04/2022 09:53:17    2413252

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Replying To fredflint:  "I'm afraid that was an abysmal 2nd half show today. No excuses, simply not good enough from players and management. A junior B club team would have more of an idea how to use the wind to get a few scores. Whoever is coaching our attack needs to be moved along."
Fredflint . There is 1 of your latest posts I came across. Well you always did have a grudge against our forwards coach didn't you?

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 26/04/2022 09:58:43    2413257

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Fredflint . There is 1 of your latest posts I came across. Well you always did have a grudge against our forwards coach didn't you?"
Yes, you said I have no opinion yet there you have shown I do have an opinion. Thanks for your help.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1468 - 26/04/2022 10:49:27    2413276

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Replying To fredflint:  "Yes, you said I have no opinion yet there you have shown I do have an opinion. Thanks for your help."
Very negative opinion holding a grudge against our forwards coach even before the championship started.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 26/04/2022 11:36:39    2413287

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Replying To PatTheDandy:  "Team & Predictions for the Antrim Game
Apart from the Tipperary final (which was worryingly poor), I have been mostly confined to northern sound this year. That said, I still know my football so the below will still be right enough.

1. Raymond
2. Jason 3. Faulkner 4. Killian Clarke

6. KT Gunner 12. Conroy
5. Gerry Smith 15. Conor Brady 7. Luke Fortune

8. Thomas G 9. James Smith

11. Stephen Smith

10. Gearoid

14. TED 15. Paddy Lynch

I'm playing with 2 Centre Backs, 3 including Conor Brady when Antrim have the ball. The attacking part of the 5 man half back will be filling the D when we don't have the ball, and then have license to go ripping and tearing when we have it. Attacking from the back line is mostly done direct and though the hand like we did in 2020. Conroy & Stephen Smith playing as two sorta quarter backs (in different parts of the field) as kicking specialists to get occasional early ball into the 2 inside men. Not expecting a huge amount of kick passing from the remaining players around the middle.

Subs: Would be happy enough to see Ciaran Brady definitely and maybe Cian Madden coming on in the attacking line of my half back line. Conor Madden in my FF line. And Martin & Cormac Reilly in the HF line, perhaps FF line if stuck. Wouldn't be massively warm on anyone else I haven't mentioned's form going into this c'ship at the moment, excluding injured players.

Predictions: Cavan 1-17 Antrim 1-11
Both Teams to Score a goal in the first half and not in the 2nd
Paddy Lynch with the Cavan goal assisted by Thomas Galligan"
Match and Predictions Review:

Predictions:
You can probably definitely say that accounting for the very harsh red card Antrim got, they would have got 3 points more and us 3 points less. So I was more or less spot on with the scoreline here, not to mention predicting a comfortable victory.

Antrim's very defensive setup also prevented both teams from scoring a goal in the first half. I expected them to be more adventurous at home on a small field. So if you followed my two first half goals tip, you can blame Enda McGinley for that, not me.

Match Review:
Very encouraging display overall. A lot less slow in the build up than Tipp for the most part. Moynagh did well on the defensive side and won lots of kickouts and dirty ball but is still very slow to move it. He has also now added a sort of calm down hand motion with his non ball holding hand when he has the ball like the NBA point guards use when they are waiting for the big men to get up the court near the basket. I don't like that. I can see why Moynagh is played now I suppose, but I would much prefer to see Gerry Smith playing that playmaker role if someone has to, even if it meant he was going to get less shots.

Conditioning very good, compared to Antrim anyway. Looked like Men V Boys. Backs and overall defending very solid and comfortable.

Paddy Lynch very good again. James Smith's movement and ball winning was good but I'm not sure the shots he missed after beating his man will go over the next day either against a better conditioned player. He doesn't look very comfortable shooting on the turn and he could be wasted in there. Would still think TED & Conor Madden are our two best alternatives in there beside beside Lynch and disappointing not to see them used.

Martin Reilly looked sharp when introduced. Cormac Reilly a very good player too as is Stephen Smith, but none look fully comfortable in there and are more half forwards I think. I wouldn't expect our shooting issues to change if we don't have shooters playing in the right spots. If we keep throwing athletic half forwards in the FF line and expecting something different, we would just be repeating Mayo's mistakes.

Gearoid has also been kept out of the last few big games for the most part when they are in the melting pot, and has done most of his scoring after the watershed. or not at all. Not necessarily his fault, but teams might have figured out how we use him a bit, and Mickey will need to figure out a way to get him more shots.

Predictions and tips for the Donegal game will be in early next week so yous can get backing them early.

PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 336 - 26/04/2022 14:53:19    2413361

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I don't know what others think but Mickey Graham has a problem as to where he plays Garoid Mc Kiernan…. I have a feeling Donegal will target him more when they are in possession than when we are… It's like playing with 14 men when we loose possession… he offers very little as he can't tackle and almost never tracks back…I would fear Donegals runners will have a field day… As someone stated he only came into the game Saturday when Antrim were reduced to 14 and the game was in the bag… that will be no good v. Donegal…. This is just an observation and nothing else…. He does some very good things in games as well but it takes more than that in the heat of championship football…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 26/04/2022 16:38:39    2413396

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Replying To fredflint:  "Here is an opinion for you, saying a few words as Gaelige doesn't make you clever. If you were clever you could click on the different pages here and see plenty of my opinions. You possibly wouldn't understand them but they are there for you. Don't don't be cranky, I'm sure Cavan will lose a game soon and you'll be happy out."
That's twice now you've said you are sure Cavan will lose a game soon.

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Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 571 - 26/04/2022 18:06:53    2413421

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Replying To s goldrick:  "We certainly are not a better team than Armagh at the moment. I dont get this "we are not a div 4 team" then how the hell did we end up there. why are Monaghan,Armagh,Kildare,Roscommon,Clare not in div 4 or div 3. We should have been able to stay in div 2 and then Div 3 . what went wrong ?. Arguably we should be a better team now then when we won Ulster. same panel almost , young players are fitter stringer have more experience, we have added some quality to the forwards. I actually think we are a better team. I think Armagh have improved considerably since we played them in Ulster. I would love it if we were competing and beating the top teams in div 1."
Was looking at the main forum to see how the Donegal posters viewed the prospect of facing Cavan following their win over Armagh.

One direct quote from a Donegal poster:
"Cavan have proven themselves to be a much better side than Armagh come Championship."

He's right. Our record backs that up. Armagh's record backs that up.

For anyone who still wants to point to the secondary competition to back up their nonsense argument, I say this: Arsenal have won 4 FA Cups (English footballs secondary competition) in the last decade. Man City have won 1. Are Arsenal better than City?

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4682 - 27/04/2022 12:58:37    2413591

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I don't know what others think but Mickey Graham has a problem as to where he plays Garoid Mc Kiernan…. I have a feeling Donegal will target him more when they are in possession than when we are… It's like playing with 14 men when we loose possession… he offers very little as he can't tackle and almost never tracks back…I would fear Donegals runners will have a field day… As someone stated he only came into the game Saturday when Antrim were reduced to 14 and the game was in the bag… that will be no good v. Donegal…. This is just an observation and nothing else…. He does some very good things in games as well but it takes more than that in the heat of championship football…"
I think for the Donegal game in full forward would be MC Kiernans best position with Martin Reilly playing off him.
Murphy will take a bit of watching especially when in position and McKiernan not the man for tracking back following him.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 27/04/2022 13:32:37    2413612

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Was looking at the main forum to see how the Donegal posters viewed the prospect of facing Cavan following their win over Armagh.

One direct quote from a Donegal poster:
"Cavan have proven themselves to be a much better side than Armagh come Championship."

He's right. Our record backs that up. Armagh's record backs that up.

For anyone who still wants to point to the secondary competition to back up their nonsense argument, I say this: Arsenal have won 4 FA Cups (English footballs secondary competition) in the last decade. Man City have won 1. Are Arsenal better than City?"
Donegal people are no fools leading up to a game… love to biggy up the opposition with the hope someone falls for it…. It's Division 1 v Division 4 so there should be only one outcome but they know the whole pressure is on them because of this…!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 27/04/2022 16:26:34    2413696

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "I think for the Donegal game in full forward would be MC Kiernans best position with Martin Reilly playing off him.
Murphy will take a bit of watching especially when in position and McKiernan not the man for tracking back following him."
think for the Donegal game in full forward would be MC Kiernans best position with Martin Reilly playing off him.
Murphy will take a bit of watching especially when in position and McKiernan not the man for tracking back following him.
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 88 - 27/04/2022 13:32:37

Why would Mckiernan be tracking Murphy?

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 737 - 27/04/2022 16:53:25    2413704

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Donegal people are no fools leading up to a game… love to biggy up the opposition with the hope someone falls for it…. It's Division 1 v Division 4 so there should be only one outcome but they know the whole pressure is on them because of this…!!!"
So which are we, Division 4 when we got relegated last year, or still Division 4 this year after promotion? It can't be both. You went all last year calling us a Division 4 team, so can't be the case now

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 27/04/2022 17:25:43    2413713

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "So which are we, Division 4 when we got relegated last year, or still Division 4 this year after promotion? It can't be both. You went all last year calling us a Division 4 team, so can't be the case now"
League and Championship all played in 2022 … We played Division 4 so we are Div 4 until 2023… You really do a lot of clutching at straws

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 27/04/2022 19:16:24    2413727

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Replying To RHF:  "think for the Donegal game in full forward would be MC Kiernans best position with Martin Reilly playing off him.
Murphy will take a bit of watching especially when in position and McKiernan not the man for tracking back following him.
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 88 - 27/04/2022 13:32:37

Why would Mckiernan be tracking Murphy?"
Well if McKiernan plays out the field he'd have to tract Murphy otherwise stand up looking at him.
On the law of averages Murphy will get more ball than McKiernan

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 27/04/2022 19:55:28    2413734

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