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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Ye both sound like an excerpt from Henry Martin's, Unlimited Heatbreak. It's a fascinating insight to Limerick GAA and well worth a read, but if I got a fiver for every 'if' and 'but' in that book, I could almost buy Croke Park!

When Limerick do their 10-in-a-row, that Kerry ppl fear they will, Martin's book will probably sell as many copies as the Bible.

Everybody will want to know, 'where did it all go right?'"
I would remind one of the old adage 'never count your chickens before the eggs are hatched'. I think this Limerick team have done very well, but no serious follower is looking past their next championship game or should they.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3276 - 06/09/2021 09:58:23    2378116

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I would remind one of the old adage 'never count your chickens before the eggs are hatched'. I think this Limerick team have done very well, but no serious follower is looking past their next championship game or should they."
Limerick nor no team will ever do 10-in-a-row. I referenced it to highlight that fact, and the hysteria we had from certain quarters that the Dubs were never going to be beaten. Well, the Dubs were beaten, and so will Limerick at some stage. My mention of 10-in-a-row, was a very tongue-in-cheek remark!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 748 - 06/09/2021 10:17:30    2378126

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Replying To midlands:  "Hard to see them going for Cummins. He has no experience in any way relevant to the demands of inter county management."
Yes Maher has a far better coaching CV but maybe the Tipp board want a household name after missing out on Cahill, I wouldn't agree with that outlook myself.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 3837 - 06/09/2021 11:25:32    2378159

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Bennettbridges fantastic win yesterday may have sealed job for Maher. I'm surprised Cummins is mentioned. Rumour has it that he will be the new U20 manager but I did also hear its a two horse race between them.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3124 - 06/09/2021 12:18:49    2378183

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Replying To ecad123:  "Please tell me you are not serious!! Again like I said ye played with 7 defenders why on earth would we move one of our 6 defenders to mark one of your defenders? You have to be joking."
You couldve played an extra forward if you wanted to do without a sweeper.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3339 - 06/09/2021 14:03:46    2378220

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Replying To Viking66:  "Real confidence yes you cant beat it. The appearance of confidence not the same at all...."
True

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 100 - 06/09/2021 21:19:15    2378371

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Bennettbridges fantastic win yesterday may have sealed job for Maher. I'm surprised Cummins is mentioned. Rumour has it that he will be the new U20 manager but I did also hear its a two horse race between them."
Would Darren Gleeson be considered for the Tipp job?

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 865 - 06/09/2021 22:18:56    2378385

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "Would Darren Gleeson be considered for the Tipp job?"
Far too inexperienced in my opinion

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3124 - 06/09/2021 23:48:26    2378403

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Listening to Damian lawlor on radio 2,he mentioned 5 or 6 names who are tied up with other counties..he says it's now between Maher and Cummins..very surprised that Cummins is in the running,I don't think he has been with any tipp set up even at under age..Is it a case of bringing in a big name because all other probabilities are tied up..Maher to me would be a better choice with a lot more experience,this coming from a limerick man may seem strange..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1420 - 07/09/2021 00:19:37    2378407

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Replying To Viking66:  "You couldve played an extra forward if you wanted to do without a sweeper."
You really aren't coming out good in this exchange.

As has been stated here a few times already, when the opposition plays with 5 forwards and 7 defenders and the other team lines out in their regular positions with 6 defenders and 6 forwards, the team playing with the regular 6 defenders/ 6 forwards is NOT playing with a sweeper. If you don't understand that simple point I don't know what else can bé said.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1617 - 07/09/2021 00:28:24    2378408

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "Would Darren Gleeson be considered for the Tipp job?"
I don't think so.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 328 - 07/09/2021 09:24:12    2378430

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "You really aren't coming out good in this exchange.

As has been stated here a few times already, when the opposition plays with 5 forwards and 7 defenders and the other team lines out in their regular positions with 6 defenders and 6 forwards, the team playing with the regular 6 defenders/ 6 forwards is NOT playing with a sweeper. If you don't understand that simple point I don't know what else can bé said."
Back to the National School to the sums class.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 748 - 07/09/2021 09:50:36    2378441

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Listening to Damian lawlor on radio 2,he mentioned 5 or 6 names who are tied up with other counties..he says it's now between Maher and Cummins..very surprised that Cummins is in the running,I don't think he has been with any tipp set up even at under age..Is it a case of bringing in a big name because all other probabilities are tied up..Maher to me would be a better choice with a lot more experience,this coming from a limerick man may seem strange.."
According to John Fogarty in the examiner Maher now front runner but this time last week the talk in Wexford was JJ Doyle so you never know for certain.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 3837 - 07/09/2021 13:18:15    2378501

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "You really aren't coming out good in this exchange.

As has been stated here a few times already, when the opposition plays with 5 forwards and 7 defenders and the other team lines out in their regular positions with 6 defenders and 6 forwards, the team playing with the regular 6 defenders/ 6 forwards is NOT playing with a sweeper. If you don't understand that simple point I don't know what else can bé said."
Obviously you watched the games that year the same as I did. Probably rewatched them too! You didnt go man on man or 15 on 15 or whatever the fashionable phrase is for the old way of playing these days. He played an identical role for Galway that Foley did for Wexford under Davy. And de Burca did for Waterford under Mcgrath. If you dont want to call him a sweeper then that is up to yourself. Whatever makes you happy lad!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3339 - 07/09/2021 15:10:04    2378546

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Far too inexperienced in my opinion"
Surely more experienced than his namesake Brendan?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3339 - 07/09/2021 15:13:05    2378547

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Far too inexperienced in my opinion"
There seems to be a deficit of experienced in house managers in Tipp for this job,Cahill not taking the job has caused quite a problem for Tipp it seems.Gleeson might be the man at the end of the day,he did well with Antrim and you could see the change in the way they played especially in the League.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 865 - 07/09/2021 21:40:34    2378643

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Replying To Viking66:  "Obviously you watched the games that year the same as I did. Probably rewatched them too! You didnt go man on man or 15 on 15 or whatever the fashionable phrase is for the old way of playing these days. He played an identical role for Galway that Foley did for Wexford under Davy. And de Burca did for Waterford under Mcgrath. If you dont want to call him a sweeper then that is up to yourself. Whatever makes you happy lad!"
This sweeping thing got too over rated and pigeon holed. Cody brought back his half forwards to clean up behind his half backs. Was that sweeping ? I guess it was really but like you said call it what you like. They may have been man on man until the call to defend came into play.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1644 - 07/09/2021 22:51:39    2378667

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Replying To ecad123:  "Galway never had a sweeper in 2017! Every other teams bar tipp had a sweeper that year we played with 6 defenders. We don't have huge playing numbers 2/3 of our county is football."
Your correct about the sweeper. However 2/3 of Galway is not football in terms of playing numbers. Maybe the land mass but Connemara which is largely football has low population and playing numbers. The last recorded playing pool in Galway was 43 designated football clubs (a small number play hurling) and 37 designated hurling clubs (a very small number play football). The City is very hit and miss with 3 senior football clubs (one play junior hurling still i think) and 2 senior hurling clubs plus 1 intermediate hurling club. Bottom line is the numbers registered at adult level for both football and hurling in Galway are very close. In fact Galway have less adults playing football than predominantly football counties like Mayo, Kerry and Donegal from previous figures i saw a few years ago. Some of the key county towns (Athenry and Loughrea for example) are predominantly hurling with the other large towns Tuam (football) and Ballinasloe (pretty split). It would be interesting to see how many adults playing competitive hurling in Galway compare to hurling only counties (i.e. Kilkenny). Wexford have a big number of dual clubs which is credit to them in keeping that operation going.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1781 - 08/09/2021 08:46:26    2378705

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "There seems to be a deficit of experienced in house managers in Tipp for this job,Cahill not taking the job has caused quite a problem for Tipp it seems.Gleeson might be the man at the end of the day,he did well with Antrim and you could see the change in the way they played especially in the League."
Latest word from Tipp is that the job will go to either William Maher or Colm Bonnar.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 328 - 08/09/2021 11:04:27    2378727

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Replying To midlands:  "Latest word from Tipp is that the job will go to either William Maher or Colm Bonnar."
Announced on RTÉ news, Com Bonnar is the new SH manager.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 402 - 08/09/2021 14:05:58    2378790

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