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Replying To kiloughter:  "Your correct about the sweeper. However 2/3 of Galway is not football in terms of playing numbers. Maybe the land mass but Connemara which is largely football has low population and playing numbers. The last recorded playing pool in Galway was 43 designated football clubs (a small number play hurling) and 37 designated hurling clubs (a very small number play football). The City is very hit and miss with 3 senior football clubs (one play junior hurling still i think) and 2 senior hurling clubs plus 1 intermediate hurling club. Bottom line is the numbers registered at adult level for both football and hurling in Galway are very close. In fact Galway have less adults playing football than predominantly football counties like Mayo, Kerry and Donegal from previous figures i saw a few years ago. Some of the key county towns (Athenry and Loughrea for example) are predominantly hurling with the other large towns Tuam (football) and Ballinasloe (pretty split). It would be interesting to see how many adults playing competitive hurling in Galway compare to hurling only counties (i.e. Kilkenny). Wexford have a big number of dual clubs which is credit to them in keeping that operation going."
It's a breath of fresh air when you go down to Nolan park you can feel the love for hurling, same thing in tipp I was in a pub a few years back in tipp and there was a league hurling match on, everyone young and old were watching, the atmosphere was amazing. You would be hard pressed to find the game shown in a pub in Galway. That's why they have so many more than us. that and 2/3 of our county may as well be in mayo or roscommon as no hurling of meaning is played in those locations.

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 206 - 08/09/2021 14:18:03    2378801

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "Announced on RTÉ news, Com Bonnar is the new SH manager."
Seen that. He is very experienced at this stage. Big step up but he has some great young players to build a squad out of.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3339 - 08/09/2021 15:24:51    2378822

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "Announced on RTÉ news, Com Bonnar is the new SH manager."
Not what was announced at all.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1377 - 08/09/2021 15:26:30    2378823

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I just want to know....when is Davy Fitz getting the Galway job!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1403 - 08/09/2021 15:51:16    2378828

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Mattie Kenny staying on with the dubs

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1391 - 08/09/2021 17:06:20    2378841

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Replying To ecad123:  "It's a breath of fresh air when you go down to Nolan park you can feel the love for hurling, same thing in tipp I was in a pub a few years back in tipp and there was a league hurling match on, everyone young and old were watching, the atmosphere was amazing. You would be hard pressed to find the game shown in a pub in Galway. That's why they have so many more than us. that and 2/3 of our county may as well be in mayo or roscommon as no hurling of meaning is played in those locations."
Yes but Galway is big enough and have enough talent in both codes to churn out competitive teams most years. Remember football has and always will have a tradition in Galway with outstanding sides over 4 different decades (thirties, fifties, sixties and the late nineties/early noughties). I think your point is more how Galway city is probably more cosmopolitan than other recently sized urban locations bar Dublin and GAA is not the primary sport means diluted interest. Being honest only for the rural contributions to our football and hurling successes we would have achieved very little over the years. Also KK and Tipp to a lesser extent have a code that is king. Galway pretty much are are split down the middle between the two. Hurling only folk and indeed football people have to accept this and as noted we can easily be strong in both. Other issues are the problem.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1781 - 08/09/2021 17:12:12    2378843

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Not what was announced at all."
Hes the favourite to get the job was all that was announced

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3339 - 08/09/2021 17:52:21    2378854

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Replying To Bon:  "Mattie Kenny staying on with the dubs"
That was pretty predictable. I doubt he will look for an extension after 2022, but I wouldn't imagine there is a queue of lads waiting.

He's obviously a good manager as his time with Galway and Cuala prove but I don't think he can really claim to have improved us much.

Dublin are far too predictable. Apart from the two wins over Galway, they have never looked like they are capable of beating one of the big guns in championship.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 313 - 08/09/2021 19:07:02    2378870

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Surprised to hear Bonnar is now favorite for tipp job..I'm getting the impression that not all top table are anxious for Maher to get it..I saw where bonnar had a major achievement with ballyh ale,let's face it if a club has best hurlers all that's needed is an organizer...Carlow was some bit of a success for him but can't really remember his time with Wexford..have the tipp public any preference at this stage..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1420 - 08/09/2021 21:21:26    2378908

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Heard there is no outstanding candidate for the Tipp job and the board are split on a preferred candidate.Cahill was a shoe in but was smarting after he was promised the job and then Sheedy threw his hat in the ring at the eleventh hour and gazumped him a few years ago. I have sympathy for Cahill in the circumstances.

Anyone hear what's happening in Galway re the hurling managers post?

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 865 - 08/09/2021 21:44:46    2378913

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Surprised to hear Bonnar is now favorite for tipp job..I'm getting the impression that not all top table are anxious for Maher to get it..I saw where bonnar had a major achievement with ballyh ale,let's face it if a club has best hurlers all that's needed is an organizer...Carlow was some bit of a success for him but can't really remember his time with Wexford..have the tipp public any preference at this stage.."
Surprised myself to hear Bonnar is now such a frontrunner. His time with Wexford wasn't exactly a success, and might sound harsh, but I think he brought us backward rather than forward. In his first year in charge, we were on the brink of a play-off for relegation to the Christy Ring Cup (the Joe McDonagh hadn't been introduced yet, so the Christy Ring was still the second tier), but then it was decided there'd be no relegation at all and so the play-off didn't happen. Only championship match we won in his other two years in charge was against Antrim, and we shipped big beatings against Galway, Kilkenny, and Tipp.

League wasn't much better. We were in Div. 2 for two of his three seasons in charge, and struggled in Div. 1 in the other one.

People might say Wexford simply didn't have a great squad at the time, but we were about the same level as Dublin when he took over. The Dubs appointed Anthony Daly around the same time and came on in leaps and bounds, overtaking us in the pecking order and winning both Leinster and a National League. So they moved forwards, while we slipped backwards.

Tipperary 2021 is a very different situation to Wexford 2008 all right, but still, surprised to hear he's such a frontrunner.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 757 - 08/09/2021 21:51:02    2378916

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Surprised myself to hear Bonnar is now such a frontrunner. His time with Wexford wasn't exactly a success, and might sound harsh, but I think he brought us backward rather than forward. In his first year in charge, we were on the brink of a play-off for relegation to the Christy Ring Cup (the Joe McDonagh hadn't been introduced yet, so the Christy Ring was still the second tier), but then it was decided there'd be no relegation at all and so the play-off didn't happen. Only championship match we won in his other two years in charge was against Antrim, and we shipped big beatings against Galway, Kilkenny, and Tipp.

League wasn't much better. We were in Div. 2 for two of his three seasons in charge, and struggled in Div. 1 in the other one.

People might say Wexford simply didn't have a great squad at the time, but we were about the same level as Dublin when he took over. The Dubs appointed Anthony Daly around the same time and came on in leaps and bounds, overtaking us in the pecking order and winning both Leinster and a National League. So they moved forwards, while we slipped backwards.

Tipperary 2021 is a very different situation to Wexford 2008 all right, but still, surprised to hear he's such a frontrunner."
He's been appointed now

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 705 - 08/09/2021 22:09:30    2378928

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Replying To katser:  "I just want to know....when is Davy Fitz getting the Galway job!"
Stranger things have happened. If Davy got the job I wonder would Canning come back for another year?

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1374 - 08/09/2021 22:58:17    2378941

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Replying To Viking66:  "Obviously you watched the games that year the same as I did. Probably rewatched them too! You didnt go man on man or 15 on 15 or whatever the fashionable phrase is for the old way of playing these days. He played an identical role for Galway that Foley did for Wexford under Davy. And de Burca did for Waterford under Mcgrath. If you dont want to call him a sweeper then that is up to yourself. Whatever makes you happy lad!"
The game has changed again since 2017. At that stage you had teams with sweepers and teams without them. It would have been a very risky and foolhardy thing for the team in regular formation to push up a player and mark the sweeper. That would be playing the game on the defensive-minded teams terms. 7 forwards vs 7 defenders equals rushed attempts at scores and very little space to execute a swing while at the other end 5 defenders vs 5 forwards gives potential to the opposition to make hay and score freely if they had speedy forwards. The game has changed again since then and has become more flúid (though I don't particularly consider this to bé progress) and to a greater or lesser extent every team nowadays is playing with a sweeper. Where you're wrong is your looking back and viewing that 2017 game from the vantage point of the way the game has changed since then.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1617 - 08/09/2021 23:52:57    2378947

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Would Colm Bonnar be a good fit for the Tipperary job?"
Good appointment by Tipperary. From a long way back, Bonnar seemed the most prudent choice for the job.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 748 - 09/09/2021 00:18:51    2378950

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Replying To katser:  "I just want to know....when is Davy Fitz getting the Galway job!"
Davy doesn't want it. He's going to Roscommon instead. He believes that he has a far better chance of success with them than with Galway.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 748 - 09/09/2021 04:37:52    2378952

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Surprised myself to hear Bonnar is now such a frontrunner. His time with Wexford wasn't exactly a success, and might sound harsh, but I think he brought us backward rather than forward. In his first year in charge, we were on the brink of a play-off for relegation to the Christy Ring Cup (the Joe McDonagh hadn't been introduced yet, so the Christy Ring was still the second tier), but then it was decided there'd be no relegation at all and so the play-off didn't happen. Only championship match we won in his other two years in charge was against Antrim, and we shipped big beatings against Galway, Kilkenny, and Tipp.

League wasn't much better. We were in Div. 2 for two of his three seasons in charge, and struggled in Div. 1 in the other one.

People might say Wexford simply didn't have a great squad at the time, but we were about the same level as Dublin when he took over. The Dubs appointed Anthony Daly around the same time and came on in leaps and bounds, overtaking us in the pecking order and winning both Leinster and a National League. So they moved forwards, while we slipped backwards.

Tipperary 2021 is a very different situation to Wexford 2008 all right, but still, surprised to hear he's such a frontrunner."
What he inherited was an old squad with little on the way in, we were heading one way and Dublin the other, he had a much younger squad and it wasn't until 2011 Dublin won the league and Leinster in 2013, well into the LD era. LD was given the agenda to clear house which Bonner would never have been able to do as there were a lot of old heads in the dressingroom who wouldn't go along with it. Reality is bar God himself I don't think anyone could have made us competitive at that time. It should have been the beginning of the pickup from the 96 all ireland but unfortunately the notion that you had to invest in Youth was lost and we paid the price.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1312 - 09/09/2021 07:42:12    2378956

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Replying To zinny:  "What he inherited was an old squad with little on the way in, we were heading one way and Dublin the other, he had a much younger squad and it wasn't until 2011 Dublin won the league and Leinster in 2013, well into the LD era. LD was given the agenda to clear house which Bonner would never have been able to do as there were a lot of old heads in the dressingroom who wouldn't go along with it. Reality is bar God himself I don't think anyone could have made us competitive at that time. It should have been the beginning of the pickup from the 96 all ireland but unfortunately the notion that you had to invest in Youth was lost and we paid the price."
I think you are right but that being said, a few of our clubs old timers were in the panel back then and said we had better club training than Wexford training. The odd thing is, some of them had worked with him in WIT and said his training was much better there.
But there is nothing like a man managing his own county and best of luck to him.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1377 - 09/09/2021 08:44:52    2378961

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I think you are right but that being said, a few of our clubs old timers were in the panel back then and said we had better club training than Wexford training. The odd thing is, some of them had worked with him in WIT and said his training was much better there.
But there is nothing like a man managing his own county and best of luck to him."
Yeah, zinny makes a fair point all right, but having said that, you've brought up a valid point yourself too.

We also had a couple of lads on the county panel around that time and I remember them saying much the same about the county training. A difference is neither of them had been with him in WIT though.

I still think comparisons with Anthony Daly and Dublin are valid to at least some degree. They were appointed around the same time to counties of roughly equal standing at that time. Five years later, Dublin had won a provincial title, a League title, and gone close to reaching to an All-Ireland Final. On the other hand, Bonnar was long gone from Wexford by that time, having achieved virtually nothing. Granted, we weren't exactly world beaters at the time, but you'd like to think we might have been at least a little more competitive anyway.

Still, a lot of water under the bridge since then, and good luck to him with the new role.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 757 - 09/09/2021 10:32:13    2378983

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Replying To ecad123:  "It's a breath of fresh air when you go down to Nolan park you can feel the love for hurling, same thing in tipp I was in a pub a few years back in tipp and there was a league hurling match on, everyone young and old were watching, the atmosphere was amazing. You would be hard pressed to find the game shown in a pub in Galway. That's why they have so many more than us. that and 2/3 of our county may as well be in mayo or roscommon as no hurling of meaning is played in those locations."
Have you been to Cork. I have lived there for thirty five years and I was reared in a townland next to Rebel red country and I assure you there is every bit as much interest in hurling there as there in Kilkenny or Tipp and though they have a huge hurling population- about five times that of Limerick and over twice that of Galway- they still find it hard to make the break through. I certainly do not agree that there is little interest in hurling in Galway, look at all the fine under age teams the county has produced and all the number of Galway clubs that have won or contested All Ireland Club Final at every level over the past forty years and it is clear your argument does not stand up.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3276 - 09/09/2021 10:48:55    2378994

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