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Replying To Trump2020:  "Stranger things have happened. If Davy got the job I wonder would Canning come back for another year?"
Definitely I think Canning would come back if Davy was manager.
Davy can be very persuasive and he knows Canning personally from the Collage days

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1403 - 09/09/2021 10:55:50    2378995

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Stranger things have happened. If Davy got the job I wonder would Canning come back for another year?"
1000% no he wouldnt. He has made that clear. Hes the first player that has ever retired where people are specualting days after when he will go back. He's done. Time to move on now.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3124 - 09/09/2021 12:35:30    2379037

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Hes the first player that has ever retired where people are specualting days after when he will go back.

Not true. Maybe you're too young to remember the whole DJ Carey saga of 1998. :)

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 757 - 09/09/2021 12:55:38    2379045

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "That was pretty predictable. I doubt he will look for an extension after 2022, but I wouldn't imagine there is a queue of lads waiting.

He's obviously a good manager as his time with Galway and Cuala prove but I don't think he can really claim to have improved us much.

Dublin are far too predictable. Apart from the two wins over Galway, they have never looked like they are capable of beating one of the big guns in championship."
Hard to know why that is. They seem to raise their game against Galway and also have the size to counter Galways big men. They dont seem as able for the more modern running and short game.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3340 - 09/09/2021 13:10:25    2379052

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Surprised to hear Bonnar is now favorite for tipp job..I'm getting the impression that not all top table are anxious for Maher to get it..I saw where bonnar had a major achievement with ballyh ale,let's face it if a club has best hurlers all that's needed is an organizer...Carlow was some bit of a success for him but can't really remember his time with Wexford..have the tipp public any preference at this stage.."
His time with Wexford wasnt great tbh. But we were pretty poorly organised from top to bottom back then and in danger of following Offaly.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3340 - 09/09/2021 13:11:41    2379053

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "The game has changed again since 2017. At that stage you had teams with sweepers and teams without them. It would have been a very risky and foolhardy thing for the team in regular formation to push up a player and mark the sweeper. That would be playing the game on the defensive-minded teams terms. 7 forwards vs 7 defenders equals rushed attempts at scores and very little space to execute a swing while at the other end 5 defenders vs 5 forwards gives potential to the opposition to make hay and score freely if they had speedy forwards. The game has changed again since then and has become more flúid (though I don't particularly consider this to bé progress) and to a greater or lesser extent every team nowadays is playing with a sweeper. Where you're wrong is your looking back and viewing that 2017 game from the vantage point of the way the game has changed since then."
Ah I see that there was an element of ball hopping in my posts on this. I watched all your games that year and supported you in all of them except against us and Waterford. The final I wouldve been equally happy if Waterford had won. Seriously though I did wonder at the time that if you got a dynamic midfield type of player to push up on the sweeper would that negate him altogether as an origin for counter attacks. The game has moved on, or maybe that should read back to the 19th century, in so far as starting positions dont really matter any more.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3340 - 09/09/2021 13:18:12    2379055

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Yeah, zinny makes a fair point all right, but having said that, you've brought up a valid point yourself too.

We also had a couple of lads on the county panel around that time and I remember them saying much the same about the county training. A difference is neither of them had been with him in WIT though.

I still think comparisons with Anthony Daly and Dublin are valid to at least some degree. They were appointed around the same time to counties of roughly equal standing at that time. Five years later, Dublin had won a provincial title, a League title, and gone close to reaching to an All-Ireland Final. On the other hand, Bonnar was long gone from Wexford by that time, having achieved virtually nothing. Granted, we weren't exactly world beaters at the time, but you'd like to think we might have been at least a little more competitive anyway.

Still, a lot of water under the bridge since then, and good luck to him with the new role."
We had alot of good players. Our fitness and strength and conditioning were atrocious though. And confidence was very low too on account of the bad beatings we got off that awesome Kilkenny team in Croke Park in the late noughties.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3340 - 09/09/2021 13:21:29    2379058

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Have you been to Cork. I have lived there for thirty five years and I was reared in a townland next to Rebel red country and I assure you there is every bit as much interest in hurling there as there in Kilkenny or Tipp and though they have a huge hurling population- about five times that of Limerick and over twice that of Galway- they still find it hard to make the break through. I certainly do not agree that there is little interest in hurling in Galway, look at all the fine under age teams the county has produced and all the number of Galway clubs that have won or contested All Ireland Club Final at every level over the past forty years and it is clear your argument does not stand up."
Galway have as many lads playing hurling at club level as Kilkenny or so I was led to believe.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3340 - 09/09/2021 13:22:52    2379059

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Replying To katser:  "Definitely I think Canning would come back if Davy was manager.
Davy can be very persuasive and he knows Canning personally from the Collage days"
Then Davy could play him as a sweeper.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1391 - 09/09/2021 13:49:50    2379066

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Replying To Bon:  "Then Davy could play him as a sweeper."
Canning would be an excellent sweeper. His distribution is top class!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3340 - 09/09/2021 14:03:10    2379070

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I think Davy will never manager an all Ireland contender again. He brings to much of a side show

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 42 - 09/09/2021 14:32:05    2379078

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Hes the first player that has ever retired where people are specualting days after when he will go back.

Not true. Maybe you're too young to remember the whole DJ Carey saga of 1998. :)"
Fair enough. Not too young but that was a very different scenario. DJ was in his prime. canning isnt and is half crippled but point taken.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3124 - 09/09/2021 15:53:46    2379102

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Replying To Viking66:  "Hard to know why that is. They seem to raise their game against Galway and also have the size to counter Galways big men. They dont seem as able for the more modern running and short game."
They have bought into the template that was successful in Limerick, but without the players to be able to match not only Limerick but any of the other contenders with the exception of Galway, who seem to have a strange psychological thing with Dublin.

The one positive is that the short passing controlled game has built a really tough defence, but that will only get you so far. Dublin no longer get tankings, but they lose too many games by a score or two points that they never look like winning!

I'd compare them to Cork in some ways, except that Cork have the 3/4 exceptional players especially up front who can win games. Dublin, with the current exception of Hayes, just don't have that sort of added ingredient.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 313 - 09/09/2021 15:56:49    2379104

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "I think Davy will never manager an all Ireland contender again. He brings to much of a side show"
Agree 100%, I don't think too many all ireland contenders would want him either.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1391 - 09/09/2021 16:02:38    2379109

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Replying To kiloughter:  "Yes but Galway is big enough and have enough talent in both codes to churn out competitive teams most years. Remember football has and always will have a tradition in Galway with outstanding sides over 4 different decades (thirties, fifties, sixties and the late nineties/early noughties). I think your point is more how Galway city is probably more cosmopolitan than other recently sized urban locations bar Dublin and GAA is not the primary sport means diluted interest. Being honest only for the rural contributions to our football and hurling successes we would have achieved very little over the years. Also KK and Tipp to a lesser extent have a code that is king. Galway pretty much are are split down the middle between the two. Hurling only folk and indeed football people have to accept this and as noted we can easily be strong in both. Other issues are the problem."
Yes we can compete but we won't win. We might win one every 20 years or so. Too much drain on the county boards with it split equally. We could give the football side of the county to mayo and roscommon then we will be sound with finances lol.

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 206 - 09/09/2021 17:23:30    2379146

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Replying To ecad123:  "Yes we can compete but we won't win. We might win one every 20 years or so. Too much drain on the county boards with it split equally. We could give the football side of the county to mayo and roscommon then we will be sound with finances lol."
And give the hurling side to Tipp and Clare? Our identity will then be zero. In fairness that attitude is part of the reason we are where we are today given the experience of the failed hurling centre of excellence. Obviously you are hurling only as is your right but remember there are a large amount of football people who support the hurlers as evidenced by all the are arann sponsored Jersies I witnessed ar the hurling semi in 2012 against Cork where we were making a breakthrough of sorts. 20 yrs ago today we were unfortunate to lose the hurling final to Tipp. That is how close we were to a double. We can reach those heights again with some vision and strategy.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1781 - 09/09/2021 18:06:35    2379153

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Replying To kiloughter:  "Yes but Galway is big enough and have enough talent in both codes to churn out competitive teams most years. Remember football has and always will have a tradition in Galway with outstanding sides over 4 different decades (thirties, fifties, sixties and the late nineties/early noughties). I think your point is more how Galway city is probably more cosmopolitan than other recently sized urban locations bar Dublin and GAA is not the primary sport means diluted interest. Being honest only for the rural contributions to our football and hurling successes we would have achieved very little over the years. Also KK and Tipp to a lesser extent have a code that is king. Galway pretty much are are split down the middle between the two. Hurling only folk and indeed football people have to accept this and as noted we can easily be strong in both. Other issues are the problem."
"Also KK and Tipp to a lesser extent have a code that is king. Galway pretty much are are split down the middle between the two."

Populations (data from census of 2016)

Galway - 258,058
Tipperary - 159,553
Kilkenny - 99,232

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1506 - 09/09/2021 18:50:35    2379164

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""Also KK and Tipp to a lesser extent have a code that is king. Galway pretty much are are split down the middle between the two."

Populations (data from census of 2016)

Galway - 258,058
Tipperary - 159,553
Kilkenny - 99,232"
Am well aware of the pop stats. Just noting where the focus is in the respective counties. One code counties like KK in fairness can focus all resources on that code. Having said that as I have noted before we should have sufficient personnel to be at least competitive in both codes.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1781 - 09/09/2021 20:18:28    2379172

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Replying To kiloughter:  "And give the hurling side to Tipp and Clare? Our identity will then be zero. In fairness that attitude is part of the reason we are where we are today given the experience of the failed hurling centre of excellence. Obviously you are hurling only as is your right but remember there are a large amount of football people who support the hurlers as evidenced by all the are arann sponsored Jersies I witnessed ar the hurling semi in 2012 against Cork where we were making a breakthrough of sorts. 20 yrs ago today we were unfortunate to lose the hurling final to Tipp. That is how close we were to a double. We can reach those heights again with some vision and strategy."
No just give away the football side lol. You are 100% I am hurling to the core. The only cup that matters to me is Liam. Can't see a double being ever done again who do you think would do it ? The financial demands for both now are too great. Look at limerick cost is no object players being looked after, when money is not a barrier the whole thing changes. Not that's the only reason why limerick are so good. Our county board are so crooked 50 thousand on credit cards for what looked like personal things even our sponsor wanted answers 4 years before this. You got to love Mayo every mayo person I know is football mad and they are from all over and live all over galway they will support their team no matter what even though they have had so much disapointment. In Galway city most would not even know Galway are playing a championship hurling match and leave it alone out in conemara. Again rugby and the premiership are more important in there, not so in tipp or Kilkenny.

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 206 - 09/09/2021 20:27:19    2379176

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""Also KK and Tipp to a lesser extent have a code that is king. Galway pretty much are are split down the middle between the two."

Populations (data from census of 2016)

Galway - 258,058
Tipperary - 159,553
Kilkenny - 99,232"
Well in Fairness Tipp were Munster Football champions last year and beat Galway in the football championship a few years back. Limerick have also contested Munster Finals in the sixties, nineties, oughties and teens and lost out to Tipp last by a single point. Kilkenny, however. is totally hurling orientated. Often the number of people in a county is not the issue, but the number that are actually seriously engaged in hurling.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3276 - 09/09/2021 20:46:46    2379182

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