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Replying To cityman73:  "So you need it slowed down,I would suggest sky,you can slow it down and pause it,then you will see the defintie striking, honestly look at the hand movements,great skill now."
Again,

The word definite is key here. If you need to slow it down in many replays then it's not definite. Horgan was letting it go all day. Not just with Cian Lynch either.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 23/08/2021 14:03:39    2374152

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Replying To bloodyban:  "There is alot of throwing..Cian Lynchs pass for the first goal was a throw and he actually threw it up and caught it before that when he say Hegarty starting his burst. His second handpass for Hegartys second goal was clearly a well executed pass. Alot of throws were let go this year but I guess an All Ireland final is not the place to start enforcing a rule that hasn't been properly e forced all championship. Ironically it was enforced during the league.
The steps issue is a joke at this stage in both Gaelic and hurling. You can use your 3 or 4 steps come into contact and then use 3 or 4 more to get away and strike the ball. There were plenty of examples yesterday. Kingstons goal was about 7 steps.. There really needs to be a chat had about these 2 issues. Ironically refs have been allowing a player who's being fouled to take up to 8 steps as an 'advantage'. In no other sport is a player allowed to break a rule himself even if he's being fouled."
Agree with all of that. But then if referees started pulling steps, how long before the "let it flow" brigade are up in arms?
Re the handpass, I would love to see a rule where if you receive a handpass you can't give one.
Congratulations to Limerick, that is some bar they have set.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1825 - 23/08/2021 14:22:04    2374157

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Replying To rhudson:  "Cork might not even get out of Munster next year
If the round robin champinship is back
Thats how difficult the Munster Championship is going to be
And that hammering yesterday might have done serious damage to their confidence"
Wouldn't disagree with you. Munster is very competitive. I know the powers that be don't seem to care about how competitive the championship in either hurling or football are but for any neutral that wants to see a competitive championship there must be concerns as to how competitive it will be when you look at Limerick and what they could do in the new few years. If I were in Galway, Kilkenny, Wexford and any other Leinster county, I would be concerned as it does seem that Leinster teams are falling behind their Munster counterparts. In Munster, if you put Limerick aside as they are miles ahead of all teams and not just the ones in Munster. I wouldn't put Cork next but this might change based upon their back to back under 20 All Ireland wins. I think Tipperary with a new manager and bringing through some of the players that have won under 20 All Irelands recently will be the main opposition to Limerick. I think Liam Sheedy (with all due respect) stepping down is a good thing for Tipperary as he was too loyal to some players that are past their best. After TIpperary I would have Waterford then Cork and Clare. Galway may need to do a bit of rebuilding in 2022 but have the raw materials. Kilkenny will always be competitive but again there must be concerns about their under age teams and how they are struggling outside Leinster.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 2096 - 23/08/2021 14:34:49    2374160

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Replying To bloodyban:  "There is alot of throwing..Cian Lynchs pass for the first goal was a throw and he actually threw it up and caught it before that when he say Hegarty starting his burst. His second handpass for Hegartys second goal was clearly a well executed pass. Alot of throws were let go this year but I guess an All Ireland final is not the place to start enforcing a rule that hasn't been properly e forced all championship. Ironically it was enforced during the league.
The steps issue is a joke at this stage in both Gaelic and hurling. You can use your 3 or 4 steps come into contact and then use 3 or 4 more to get away and strike the ball. There were plenty of examples yesterday. Kingstons goal was about 7 steps.. There really needs to be a chat had about these 2 issues. Ironically refs have been allowing a player who's being fouled to take up to 8 steps as an 'advantage'. In no other sport is a player allowed to break a rule himself even if he's being fouled."
I have always says the rules need adjusting as the game changes. I have changed my mind. The GAA are incapable of making these changes, enforcing them, being consistent and fair. My god if ever there was an example of cynical fouling executed as the rule is written it was yesterday. Two players one on one, no defender behind possession won and clearly a goal opportunity. Not a dicky bird but teams punished early in the championship that changed games. Now leave the rules alone before they get anymore egg on their face. Enforce the ones that exist and give the ref the tools to do this. Someone said you can't start enforcing rules in the middle of a championship but you can start ignoring ones made ?
This would or should not take away from the brilliance of Limerick who are the best and would win with any rules.
Incidentally this was as simple rule to add. Make the penalty area larger. Any foul in that area a penalty if the defender is the last one back. May be the two guys by the poles could call it. However just leave it alone (what ever that is now) and not mess it up more .

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3035 - 23/08/2021 14:47:47    2374162

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "It's impossible to compare eras as different rules sliotar etc but both Kilkenny and now Limerick were brilliant dominant forces and great to watch."
In what way has the Sliotar changed since 2008?

Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 23/08/2021 17:44:55    2374193

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Yesterday really was the perfect day:

https://limerickhurling.blogspot.com/2021/08/heyday.html

Luimneach Abú

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 23/08/2021 18:09:23    2374195

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Just seen a clip on social media of Mulcahy standing on and snapping a Cork players hurley stick. Bizarre behaviour, clearly some issues.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 23/08/2021 18:18:39    2374197

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Replying To Canuck:  "It was not boring. Those inter link passes were a joy to watch even when the game was out of reach. This is what makes the sport great that those passes even out of defence are moving the ball forward quickly with intent to attack and score. Repeated performances over again will make Limerick very difficult to turn over. I know everyone has an opinion on who will win. However I was surprised that Derek McGrath as a former team manager could seriously pick Cork looking at the physical strength of Limerick, strength on every line on the field, level of fitness, cohesion and a bench that would fill most teams. I would be confident we would beat this Cork team. I would not be confident of beating them in a year or two but neither can I see them turn Limerick over for a few years. If Waterford had all their players available we would do well to get with 5 points of them. That was last year's Munster final and they have kick up another gear.
Congrats to Limerick. This is their day and thanks for the entertainment provided to us all. Cork are stung but will rise to take revenge on the rest of us."
Canuck, I'd say if Waterford had all their players fit, and the two teams met with each having 3 weeks of no games beforehand, then Waterford could very well tighten Limerick. If they got a roll going like they did last year against Kilkenny, and this year against Tipp, then it could be quite interesting. When Waterford get into that flow, they're hard to stop, and great to watch. Easier said than done.

While the first-half against Cork, and the second-half against Tipp were both master-classes by Limerick, as good as ever seen in hurling, and thoroughly enjoyed, the patch of hurling that I enjoyed most this year was the first quarter versus Waterford. That was, 'very manly', to say the least. It was ferocious actually.

It's hard to break down Limerick. Cork didn't engage physically and we see what happened. Waterford did, and we also see what happened. However, I'd say if Waterford could mix n match it somehow, they'd be in with a better chance than any other county of putting it up to the champions.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2202 - 23/08/2021 18:55:06    2374205

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Replying To arock:  "Just seen a clip on social media of Mulcahy standing on and snapping a Cork players hurley stick. Bizarre behaviour, clearly some issues."
Noticed it at the time. Scandalous behaviour, not picked up by the match officials. Not sure if there's a specific rule against deliberately breaking an opponent's hurl, but would certainly fall under unsportsmanlike conduct at the very least.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1256 - 23/08/2021 18:58:58    2374207

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Replying To arock:  "Just seen a clip on social media of Mulcahy standing on and snapping a Cork players hurley stick. Bizarre behaviour, clearly some issues."
Cork lads could have done with breaking a few hurlies themselves

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 23/08/2021 18:59:10    2374208

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Limerick won the All-Ireland without having to face a team outside Munster. I assume that hasn't happened before?

M Lyster (Antrim) - Posts: 465 - 23/08/2021 19:05:31    2374210

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Replying To arock:  "Just seen a clip on social media of Mulcahy standing on and snapping a Cork players hurley stick. Bizarre behaviour, clearly some issues."
Just have a look about 10 seconds before that and see where Downeys hurley slapped down on Lynchs shoulder. He shouldn't have a hurley if he uses it like that.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 899 - 23/08/2021 19:05:52    2374211

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Agree with all of that. But then if referees started pulling steps, how long before the "let it flow" brigade are up in arms?
Re the handpass, I would love to see a rule where if you receive a handpass you can't give one.
Congratulations to Limerick, that is some bar they have set."
Good idea re the handpass. Most handpasses are throws now, where the player lets the ball roll off his fingers without a definite striking action. Refs have obviously decided that they'll sacrifice the proper execution of the handpass for the sake of letting the game flow, and most fans are happy to go along with it. Fine. But if that's the case, let's limit the amount of handpasses players can do. Can't have it every way.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1256 - 23/08/2021 19:06:09    2374212

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Canuck, I'd say if Waterford had all their players fit, and the two teams met with each having 3 weeks of no games beforehand, then Waterford could very well tighten Limerick. If they got a roll going like they did last year against Kilkenny, and this year against Tipp, then it could be quite interesting. When Waterford get into that flow, they're hard to stop, and great to watch. Easier said than done.

While the first-half against Cork, and the second-half against Tipp were both master-classes by Limerick, as good as ever seen in hurling, and thoroughly enjoyed, the patch of hurling that I enjoyed most this year was the first quarter versus Waterford. That was, 'very manly', to say the least. It was ferocious actually.

It's hard to break down Limerick. Cork didn't engage physically and we see what happened. Waterford did, and we also see what happened. However, I'd say if Waterford could mix n match it somehow, they'd be in with a better chance than any other county of putting it up to the champions."
Maybe the extra matches told against both Waterford and Cork but Limerick would probably have won if they had played the extra games anyway.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15639 - 23/08/2021 19:19:02    2374218

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Replying To daytona11:  "It wasn't a definite striking action so."
Just because it was too fast to see doesn't mean it wasn't a definite striking action. Think all inter county hurlers have practiced it to perfection at this stage not just Limerick players.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15639 - 23/08/2021 19:22:35    2374219

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "Wouldn't disagree with you. Munster is very competitive. I know the powers that be don't seem to care about how competitive the championship in either hurling or football are but for any neutral that wants to see a competitive championship there must be concerns as to how competitive it will be when you look at Limerick and what they could do in the new few years. If I were in Galway, Kilkenny, Wexford and any other Leinster county, I would be concerned as it does seem that Leinster teams are falling behind their Munster counterparts. In Munster, if you put Limerick aside as they are miles ahead of all teams and not just the ones in Munster. I wouldn't put Cork next but this might change based upon their back to back under 20 All Ireland wins. I think Tipperary with a new manager and bringing through some of the players that have won under 20 All Irelands recently will be the main opposition to Limerick. I think Liam Sheedy (with all due respect) stepping down is a good thing for Tipperary as he was too loyal to some players that are past their best. After TIpperary I would have Waterford then Cork and Clare. Galway may need to do a bit of rebuilding in 2022 but have the raw materials. Kilkenny will always be competitive but again there must be concerns about their under age teams and how they are struggling outside Leinster."
I think who are the top teams goes in cycles. The Munster counties are probably a little ahead but I do not think that is to do with what province they are in. In the late nineties early noughties Offaly, Kilkenny and Cork were probably the strongest counties although Tipp won an all Ireland too.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15639 - 23/08/2021 19:26:45    2374220

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Cork lads could have done with breaking a few hurlies themselves"
1997 I beleive no leinster team won a game outside of the leninster championship. The same happened this year and with the exception of Antrim all leinster teams were eliminated by munster teams at the first hurdle. That's probably a first too.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 23/08/2021 19:27:27    2374222

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Replying To updwell:  "Just have a look about 10 seconds before that and see where Downeys hurley slapped down on Lynchs shoulder. He shouldn't have a hurley if he uses it like that."
Why is it always the other teams fault?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 23/08/2021 19:27:54    2374223

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It was wonderful to be back in Croke Park yesterday and witness the cheering and excitement of both sets of supporters during the parade.Then the match and the enthralling performance from our Limerick heroes,it was the greatest display that I have ever seen and I started attending inter county games in 1955 and saw the great Tipp team/s of the late 50's --60,s and the many great teams since then.I don't think KK in their pomp would have beaten that Limerick team yesterday.I'm so happy that I lived long enough to see it happen for Limerick and to be there and witness it was such a privilege.IMO Waterford are the nearest team to limerick with their flair and skill and I would love to see Waterford win an AI in my lifetime.I can still hear the names of some of the '59 Waterford team ringing in my ears...Ned Power,Austin Flynn,Phil Grimes,Larry Guinan,Tom Cheasty,Frankie Walsh,Seamus Power,every hurling household in the country could sing off a lot of the names.They were truly a fantastic team.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 23/08/2021 21:01:33    2374238

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Not to be jumping too far ahead, but having had a look at all the possible challengers to limerick i think waterford are best placed to take them down if they have all their players available next year. Their potential team is;
1 O'Keeffe
2 Gleeson
3 Prunty
4 Daly
5 Lyons
6 De Burca
7 D.Fives
8 Barron
9 K.Bennett
10 Fagan
11 Gleeson
12 Sh. Bennett
13 Hutchinson
14 St. Bennett
15 Prendergast

Darragh Fives hasnt played in a while but if he can get back fit he would be a huge addition. This team is obviously assuming he can and also that stephen o'keeffe will be back. 2 mahony's could be available again as well, which would be huge. Id be a little unsure of the balance of the forward line, but its a very good 6. A top class manager could arrange them suitably. I also have iarlaith daly in the barry nash sort of role. Possibly one forward and maybe one defender of being a complete 15, but the basis of a team is there to maybe take down limerick.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 23/08/2021 21:55:33    2374251

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