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For supposedly being the best hurling ref of recent time Fergal Horgan couldn't tell a clear throw on at least 40 occasions.

Why don't they just let players throw the ball at this rate and up the steps to 8?

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 23/08/2021 09:24:32    2374045

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Replying To Canuck:  "It was not boring. Those inter link passes were a joy to watch even when the game was out of reach. This is what makes the sport great that those passes even out of defence are moving the ball forward quickly with intent to attack and score. Repeated performances over again will make Limerick very difficult to turn over. I know everyone has an opinion on who will win. However I was surprised that Derek McGrath as a former team manager could seriously pick Cork looking at the physical strength of Limerick, strength on every line on the field, level of fitness, cohesion and a bench that would fill most teams. I would be confident we would beat this Cork team. I would not be confident of beating them in a year or two but neither can I see them turn Limerick over for a few years. If Waterford had all their players available we would do well to get with 5 points of them. That was last year's Munster final and they have kick up another gear.
Congrats to Limerick. This is their day and thanks for the entertainment provided to us all. Cork are stung but will rise to take revenge on the rest of us."
I think there was a massive effort by some pundits to talk up Cork and the game in general. I'm not talking with the benefit of hindsight but I could never see Cork beating Limerick regardless of what tactics etc they used because there is a gulf in class between the two sets of players which was borne out in the league and yesterday. LImerick are a bit like Dublin were in the football, in fact there might be a bigger gulf between Limerick and rest than existed between Dulbin and some of the football counties when Dublin were at their peak. If this team stays motivated then they could dominate the hurling scene for a while. Yesterday's display while great to watch and great for Limerick supporters demonstrated the gulf between Limerick and the rest. I don't think the gulf is as big as it was demonstrated yesterday as I don't think Cork are the best of the rest but got to the final through the various draws that were made. With Kilkenny and Tipperary in transition, who can rival LImerick in the next 2-3 years? Waterford and Galway maybe?

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 2096 - 23/08/2021 09:59:07    2374055

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I can't remember ever watching such a one-sided game, in any sport, and enjoying every second of it. Limerick are an absolute joy to watch. Comhghairdeas mór daoibh

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 23/08/2021 10:05:06    2374058

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Congratulations to Limerick, that first half must be the most impressive 35 minutes I've seen on a GAA pitch. 3-17 would be enough to win many games entirely!

They look a cut above any other side and may well be on course for similar dominance to that of Dublin in the All-Ireland football championship recently.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 23/08/2021 10:14:36    2374061

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "I can't remember ever watching such a one-sided game, in any sport, and enjoying every second of it. Limerick are an absolute joy to watch. Comhghairdeas mór daoibh"
I think that could be down to Limerick not being a traditional super power (the big three). Watch though…if they win it again next year the neutrals will grow tired and demand a new winner. That's the nature of sport I guess.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11557 - 23/08/2021 11:18:12    2374081

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Well done Limerick. Super team. Best team in Ireland by a country mile. Scoreline flattered a weak, timid
Cork team

Now let's have an an honest discussion about hurling as a sport. The sport needs saving. This year's championship was full of games where the ball spent more time dead than in play. The real skills of hurling (hooking,flicking, blocking, over head or ground striking) have all but disappeared into a puck-out fest (over 80 in today's game).

The best players (Limerick)would still adapt and would still be best team . Maybe spectacle could be better. A lot better."
Agreed. The sliotar is so light one can score from nearly anywhere and as a few posters mentioned the amount of players throwing the ball is crazy.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 23/08/2021 11:41:09    2374089

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "The inevitable question- Limerick 2021 vs Kilkenny 2008, who would come out on top?

Would think KK still have the edge in overall quality and depth of panel, but if Limerick do 3-in-a-row they will be in the mix in debates on the greatest of all teams.

It must be dreamland for the hardcore Limerick supporter just now."
It's impossible to compare eras as different rules sliotar etc but both Kilkenny and now Limerick were brilliant dominant forces and great to watch.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 23/08/2021 11:43:09    2374091

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Replying To daytona11:  "For supposedly being the best hurling ref of recent time Fergal Horgan couldn't tell a clear throw on at least 40 occasions.

Why don't they just let players throw the ball at this rate and up the steps to 8?"
Do you need the game slowed down so you can see the hand pass.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 783 - 23/08/2021 11:45:31    2374093

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Replying To cityman73:  "Do you need the game slowed down so you can see the hand pass."
Well the rule suggest that the hand pass should involve a definite striking action on the ball.

The ball must be released and struck with a definite striking action of the hand.

Anything other than the above is a foul. Simple as that.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 23/08/2021 11:51:14    2374095

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There is alot of throwing..Cian Lynchs pass for the first goal was a throw and he actually threw it up and caught it before that when he say Hegarty starting his burst. His second handpass for Hegartys second goal was clearly a well executed pass. Alot of throws were let go this year but I guess an All Ireland final is not the place to start enforcing a rule that hasn't been properly e forced all championship. Ironically it was enforced during the league.
The steps issue is a joke at this stage in both Gaelic and hurling. You can use your 3 or 4 steps come into contact and then use 3 or 4 more to get away and strike the ball. There were plenty of examples yesterday. Kingstons goal was about 7 steps.. There really needs to be a chat had about these 2 issues. Ironically refs have been allowing a player who's being fouled to take up to 8 steps as an 'advantage'. In no other sport is a player allowed to break a rule himself even if he's being fouled.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 23/08/2021 12:19:48    2374106

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "How would you like a signed Limerick jersey?!"
She'll get one from her cousins in limerick

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1139 - 23/08/2021 12:55:53    2374120

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "I think there was a massive effort by some pundits to talk up Cork and the game in general. I'm not talking with the benefit of hindsight but I could never see Cork beating Limerick regardless of what tactics etc they used because there is a gulf in class between the two sets of players which was borne out in the league and yesterday. LImerick are a bit like Dublin were in the football, in fact there might be a bigger gulf between Limerick and rest than existed between Dulbin and some of the football counties when Dublin were at their peak. If this team stays motivated then they could dominate the hurling scene for a while. Yesterday's display while great to watch and great for Limerick supporters demonstrated the gulf between Limerick and the rest. I don't think the gulf is as big as it was demonstrated yesterday as I don't think Cork are the best of the rest but got to the final through the various draws that were made. With Kilkenny and Tipperary in transition, who can rival LImerick in the next 2-3 years? Waterford and Galway maybe?"
Cork might not even get out of Munster next year
If the round robin champinship is back
Thats how difficult the Munster Championship is going to be
And that hammering yesterday might have done serious damage to their confidence

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 23/08/2021 12:56:17    2374121

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Replying To bloodyban:  "There is alot of throwing..Cian Lynchs pass for the first goal was a throw and he actually threw it up and caught it before that when he say Hegarty starting his burst. His second handpass for Hegartys second goal was clearly a well executed pass. Alot of throws were let go this year but I guess an All Ireland final is not the place to start enforcing a rule that hasn't been properly e forced all championship. Ironically it was enforced during the league.
The steps issue is a joke at this stage in both Gaelic and hurling. You can use your 3 or 4 steps come into contact and then use 3 or 4 more to get away and strike the ball. There were plenty of examples yesterday. Kingstons goal was about 7 steps.. There really needs to be a chat had about these 2 issues. Ironically refs have been allowing a player who's being fouled to take up to 8 steps as an 'advantage'. In no other sport is a player allowed to break a rule himself even if he's being fouled."
Not taking anything from lynch as I couldn't praise him enough but whatever about throwing it (which he did) it was very obvious he fouled the ball just before that and I didn't hear anyone mentioning it. The second goal on I itia look also looked like a throw but it wasn't - it was brilliantly executed.
Made zero difference but there's defintely very few technical fouls given at that level.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 23/08/2021 13:10:51    2374124

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Replying To daytona11:  "Well the rule suggest that the hand pass should involve a definite striking action on the ball.

The ball must be released and struck with a definite striking action of the hand.

Anything other than the above is a foul. Simple as that."
So you need it slowed down,I would suggest sky,you can slow it down and pause it,then you will see the defintie striking, honestly look at the hand movements,great skill now.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 783 - 23/08/2021 13:16:06    2374126

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Not taking anything from lynch as I couldn't praise him enough but whatever about throwing it (which he did) it was very obvious he fouled the ball just before that and I didn't hear anyone mentioning it. The second goal on I itia look also looked like a throw but it wasn't - it was brilliantly executed.
Made zero difference but there's defintely very few technical fouls given at that level."
Agree he fouled the ball before it but he didn't throw it, watch it,hand movements is fast.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 783 - 23/08/2021 13:18:45    2374128

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Replying To rhudson:  "Cork might not even get out of Munster next year
If the round robin champinship is back
Thats how difficult the Munster Championship is going to be
And that hammering yesterday might have done serious damage to their confidence"
Yeah Munster is very tough. Cork might actually be better next year and still not make it out of Munster. Limerick are still young enough to dominate for a few more years.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2494 - 23/08/2021 13:37:03    2374137

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Can I ask supporters and cork people especially,why in the 2nd half yesterday when cork were 15/16 points down did Horgan go back to his own 45 to hit a free,he missed..Coleman scored soon after from similar distance..would he not have been better in front of limerick goals where if ball dropped short he might get a touch or be on end of it..with him being so far out opposition are only delighted..Kilkenny did same with tj in semi when needing scores he was putting ball in where he would be a danger..am i looking at this in to simple a way?

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2506 - 23/08/2021 13:37:05    2374138

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Can I ask supporters and cork people especially,why in the 2nd half yesterday when cork were 15/16 points down did Horgan go back to his own 45 to hit a free,he missed..Coleman scored soon after from similar distance..would he not have been better in front of limerick goals where if ball dropped short he might get a touch or be on end of it..with him being so far out opposition are only delighted..Kilkenny did same with tj in semi when needing scores he was putting ball in where he would be a danger..am i looking at this in to simple a way?"
He might as well go back and hit it when they wouldnt puck the ball into him anyway.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 23/08/2021 13:41:18    2374141

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Replying To cityman73:  "Agree he fouled the ball before it but he didn't throw it, watch it,hand movements is fast."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDKDuewvARs

I've slowed it down again and while I still think the handpass wasnt legitmate I now think he may have played the ball off the hurl really quickly before that - I think! Watch it in slow mo and for me it appears he did play the ball off the hurl but not sure!
The man's is such a genius he has me even more confused now!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 23/08/2021 13:51:24    2374146

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Replying To cityman73:  "Agree he fouled the ball before it but he didn't throw it, watch it,hand movements is fast."
It wasn't a definite striking action so.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 23/08/2021 13:58:37    2374148

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