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2021 Hurling Championship

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Anyone know if there is any way Wexford Kilkenny could be moved to Croke Park and 3k allowed to attend? Would that ship have sailed by now?"
That ship never even docked in port! Decision was made to have the games at neutral venues at the time the draw was made, Just as well, cos that would mean it would be a double header in Croke Park and if that happened there would be plenty on here from my own county to complain of it being a case again of the GAA showing bias towards the Dubs! I wouldn't be one of them by the way!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2013 - 27/06/2021 11:55:51    2353691

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Well done Galway, joint winners 2021 Allianz hurling league. Ba mhaith liom comhgardeas a dhéanamh go dtí foireann Gaillimhe

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2614 - 27/06/2021 12:43:39    2353705

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There are 11 teams who can win the mc carthy cup..2 of them beaten by a combined total of 38 points..it's very possible there will be another hammering in a leinster semi final..how can the Gaa fix this problem sooner rather than later..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2506 - 27/06/2021 14:51:27    2353753

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "There are 11 teams who can win the mc carthy cup..2 of them beaten by a combined total of 38 points..it's very possible there will be another hammering in a leinster semi final..how can the Gaa fix this problem sooner rather than later.."
A big part of the problem, I think, is the expectation that 2nd tier teams (for lack of a better term) will be competitive with the better teams at senior level, when they haven't faced them regularly underage.

Abolish the provincial systems at U20 and minor. Bring in a staged championship format that includes all counties, with each 'tier' of county coming in at subsequent stages, facing the best weaker teams from the previous stage. Essentially applying the Leinster minor championship format from 2019 at a national level. Have every underage team involved in the championship proper, rather than persisting with B and C championships that don't do the job.
And obviously, the GAA need to finally do something to address county boards that aren't doing their best to support the development of both codes. hurling and football.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 27/06/2021 15:40:33    2353768

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "There are 11 teams who can win the mc carthy cup..2 of them beaten by a combined total of 38 points..it's very possible there will be another hammering in a leinster semi final..how can the Gaa fix this problem sooner rather than later.."
Who are you expecting to get a hammering in the Semi final? and on what basis do you think that will happen?

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1956 - 27/06/2021 15:45:49    2353772

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "There are 11 teams who can win the mc carthy cup..2 of them beaten by a combined total of 38 points..it's very possible there will be another hammering in a leinster semi final..how can the Gaa fix this problem sooner rather than later.."
Say it's more likely that there will be a hammering in a Munster semi final. Cant see you beating Cork by only 1 or 2.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15621 - 27/06/2021 16:00:16    2353780

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Clare are shooting some terrible amount of terrible wides.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15621 - 27/06/2021 16:02:20    2353781

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Clare are shooting some terrible amount of terrible wides. Tbh it's not a great game of hurling either. Hopefully the 2nd half will be better.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15621 - 27/06/2021 16:06:57    2353785

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  "A big part of the problem, I think, is the expectation that 2nd tier teams (for lack of a better term) will be competitive with the better teams at senior level, when they haven't faced them regularly underage.

Abolish the provincial systems at U20 and minor. Bring in a staged championship format that includes all counties, with each 'tier' of county coming in at subsequent stages, facing the best weaker teams from the previous stage. Essentially applying the Leinster minor championship format from 2019 at a national level. Have every underage team involved in the championship proper, rather than persisting with B and C championships that don't do the job.
And obviously, the GAA need to finally do something to address county boards that aren't doing their best to support the development of both codes. hurling and football."
May as well point out before someone else does, that Laois have been playing in the Leinster underage championships proper, so they have been playing the top Leinster counties underage. Antrim have been in Leinster championship for last 3 years too. So there's more too it than that, its not a panacea for those teams. But removing the provincial element at underage would help all counties develop.

And I think teams not being silo'd by province, and not playing the same teams underage year in year out, would develop players more effectively. If you look at the u21/u20 championship for example, there does seem to be a general gap developing between Munster and Leinster teams.

To be clear, I'm not necessarily promoting removing the provincial structures at senior level, but I think they need to go at underage

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 27/06/2021 16:11:12    2353787

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  "A big part of the problem, I think, is the expectation that 2nd tier teams (for lack of a better term) will be competitive with the better teams at senior level, when they haven't faced them regularly underage.

Abolish the provincial systems at U20 and minor. Bring in a staged championship format that includes all counties, with each 'tier' of county coming in at subsequent stages, facing the best weaker teams from the previous stage. Essentially applying the Leinster minor championship format from 2019 at a national level. Have every underage team involved in the championship proper, rather than persisting with B and C championships that don't do the job.
And obviously, the GAA need to finally do something to address county boards that aren't doing their best to support the development of both codes. hurling and football."
In fairness to the so called hurling counties they all promote football well in their counties with 1 obvious exception. There are many big ball counties that dont do very much for hurling at all. And then counties like Laois whose only AI was in hurling not football, dont seem to give hurling even equal status in the county.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15621 - 27/06/2021 16:17:20    2353789

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I was talking about gal/dub game..I expect Galway to win by possibly 10 points plus..Dublin are not as good as they looked yesterday..limerick will not hammer cork..if Clare had shooting boots on match would be well over..if it stays as it is I don't expect Clare to beat tipp..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2506 - 27/06/2021 16:27:54    2353794

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Clare in control but that amount of wides will cost them ones the bigger tests arrive.
Waterford don't seem to have a plan B. Surprised how poor they look. Tony Kelly is probably the greatest hurler I've ever seen. Pure class.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2313 - 27/06/2021 17:02:20    2353810

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Clare backs superb today. Radar off but all teams have says like that. Clare had 45 shots at goal. They should have won by at least 10 points but the key today was how good our defence was. Conlon was superb as was Hayes and Ryan.

Roll on Tipp

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 27/06/2021 17:34:06    2353822

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Congrats to Clare the better team. Not a penalty call the first foul outside the area and if he was calling it on the challenge inside the area there was no foul. However them are the breaks and Clare good for their win.
On a side note Duignan needs to take off the bulls eye he has on Austin's back. The yellow was for pulling on a ball that the player did not protect his hand. Then Duignan says he needs to be careful for running back into his position and gets hit. That is on thing Clare needs to stop going forward. Hitting players after scores and running back into their positions.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3034 - 27/06/2021 17:56:31    2353835

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Replying To Viking66:  "Clare are shooting some terrible amount of terrible wides. Tbh it's not a great game of hurling either. Hopefully the 2nd half will be better."
Poor game over all.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3034 - 27/06/2021 17:58:10    2353837

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  "May as well point out before someone else does, that Laois have been playing in the Leinster underage championships proper, so they have been playing the top Leinster counties underage. Antrim have been in Leinster championship for last 3 years too. So there's more too it than that, its not a panacea for those teams. But removing the provincial element at underage would help all counties develop.

And I think teams not being silo'd by province, and not playing the same teams underage year in year out, would develop players more effectively. If you look at the u21/u20 championship for example, there does seem to be a general gap developing between Munster and Leinster teams.

To be clear, I'm not necessarily promoting removing the provincial structures at senior level, but I think they need to go at underage"
I think you have hit the nail on the head Marlon_JD.
I know lads from Laois and Antrim from college. They were able to compete at underage, but when they get to senior the attitude is "what is the point".
There is no doubting for me that the elephant in the room which is untouchable is the provincial championship. Not just in hurling, but in football too. While the provincial system might have served the GAA well and created some of our great rivalries, they are now well past their sell by date.
I don't see why people feel the championship would be weakened with 2 x groups of 6, with the top team winning their group (which surely equates to winning a provincial championship) and the top 2 qualify for All-Ireland semi finals. A proper promotion and relegation, nobody protected from it.
Play the provinces instead of the league if needed to keep the dinosaurs happy.
It would also allow the GAA to have a glamour tie to start, not Dublin v Antrim or Kerry v Clare. They could have fireworks for the All-Ireland champions as they set off to defend their title and pick their opponent for a big game in Croke Park maybe.
Sadly, the GAA will never ever do something so radical, until it starts to bite in the pocket and people vote with their feet.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1824 - 27/06/2021 18:15:23    2353840

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Replying To Canuck:  "Congrats to Clare the better team. Not a penalty call the first foul outside the area and if he was calling it on the challenge inside the area there was no foul. However them are the breaks and Clare good for their win.
On a side note Duignan needs to take off the bulls eye he has on Austin's back. The yellow was for pulling on a ball that the player did not protect his hand. Then Duignan says he needs to be careful for running back into his position and gets hit. That is on thing Clare needs to stop going forward. Hitting players after scores and running back into their positions."
Austin has made that name for himself. Live by the sword die by it.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1824 - 27/06/2021 18:25:38    2353845

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Clare backs superb today. Radar off but all teams have says like that. Clare had 45 shots at goal. They should have won by at least 10 points but the key today was how good our defence was. Conlon was superb as was Hayes and Ryan.

Roll on Tipp"
They were. Conlon was outstanding, some radical thinking by Lohan.
It was a poor game but Clare were by far the better team for me. Waterfords late rally meant the score board flattered them.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1824 - 27/06/2021 18:26:52    2353846

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Very poor game, looked more like the first round of a league tie at times. Waterford were very poor, Clare should have won that game by a cricket score. No doubt Prunty and Barron were huge loses but you'd expect better than that. Liam Cahill has plenty to think about.
Hopefully next weekend's games will be better.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2299 - 27/06/2021 18:27:37    2353847

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Replying To Canuck:  "Congrats to Clare the better team. Not a penalty call the first foul outside the area and if he was calling it on the challenge inside the area there was no foul. However them are the breaks and Clare good for their win.
On a side note Duignan needs to take off the bulls eye he has on Austin's back. The yellow was for pulling on a ball that the player did not protect his hand. Then Duignan says he needs to be careful for running back into his position and gets hit. That is on thing Clare needs to stop going forward. Hitting players after scores and running back into their positions."
Lol

Gleeson flaked down on the mans hand and followed through on to his shoulder. Definite yellow. The contact on the hand was after the clare man had the ball, the follow through was the icing on the cake for a yellow.

He also hit Tony across the knee while on the ground with no hope or intention of playing the ball and should have got a second yellow for the needless strike.

You know well that Gleeson has discipline issues in his locker and until he gets rid of them he won't scale the heights he should.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 27/06/2021 18:35:26    2353857

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