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Replying To Viking66:  "Not sure P Mahony would suit Waterfords current style"
I agree

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3062 - 07/08/2021 22:56:23    2368675

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Every time we get close there is always someone else at their peak. That is the nature of things. This Limerick team for sure be up there with the greatest. Incidentally I feel bad for Casey missing the final. As in all these cases there is always an element of retaliation. I hate when players provoke as the game is slipping away. I don't care if it is my team or somebody else. I hope Waterford will do everything possible to get him freed. Look we did as many high tackles as they did. So stop trying to put them down.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3062 - 07/08/2021 23:07:53    2368677

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "Am delighted with the display by this Limerick team today,Waterford are still a great team but this Limerick team must be given great credit for their performances over the last few years and today.As a lifetime Limerick supporter I'm so glad that I have lived long enough to see this wonderful Limerick hurling team in action.
Its great to see and hear the supporters of both teams shouting on their teams,the sounds of normality returning slowly.
Now for the other semi final tomorrow,I think this Cork team is swell equipped and probably have a bit more hurling in them than the current KK team.This is not to denigrate KK or anything.I'm looking fwd to the tactics employed by both teams.Cork traditionally have always had great men on the line and pride themselves on outthinking and outfoxing their opponents.It will be very interesting to see how Brian Cody deploys his team to curtail the speedy goal getting Cork forwards,it should be some battle tomorrow."
Totally agree oneditch, in my time on this earth cork have probably won 50pc off all Ireland's from the line. KK will be hard beat but if cork can handle the fatigue factor I think they will do it. But tbh limerick look awesome and will take serious shifting regardless if it is cork or KK turn up. Hats of to limerick today on a great performance

BigFred (Cork) - Posts: 4 - 07/08/2021 23:15:44    2368685

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One game per week for four weeks hardly flogging anyone. They can use five subs. They're elite athletes apparently.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2162 - 07/08/2021 23:19:30    2368686

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Replying To Ban:  "Well done Limerick. Serious team. They are getting better as the Championship goes on..

Thought Waterford brought a massive challenge. Their shooting let them down, especially in the first half."
Yes for sure. Your free taker cannot afford to miss these. Personally I would have gone to Austin sooner. Look anyone can have a bad day.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3062 - 07/08/2021 23:43:55    2368692

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I agree WD should have had two weeks to prepare. However last year they got to the Munster Final, beat KK and had only one game two games then before and the result was almost exactly the same as today. They played some very strange tactics. There were times, especially in the second half, when they whipped balls into Limerick defence, only for not one but two or three LK backs standing all alone in the most splendid isolation, waiting to collect. They will have to look at that aspect of their game. BTW, I would to see Waterford win an All Ireland, but not at our expense."
Yes when you see Austin coming down field to win ball and hit in where he should be that sums it up. No doubt we were tired and the plan was to Limerick quick. They did but no return for it. Limerick are well tuned machine and you need to be 100% to have any chance.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3062 - 07/08/2021 23:49:42    2368695

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I agree WD should have had two weeks to prepare. However last year they got to the Munster Final, beat KK and had only one game two games then before and the result was almost exactly the same as today. They played some very strange tactics. There were times, especially in the second half, when they whipped balls into Limerick defence, only for not one but two or three LK backs standing all alone in the most splendid isolation, waiting to collect. They will have to look at that aspect of their game. BTW, I would to see Waterford win an All Ireland, but not at our expense."
Congrats Oldtourman, a powerful display but I wasn't surprised by it, instead of improving it's better they're getting!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 07/08/2021 23:50:35    2368696

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Replying To Breezy:  "Back when the provincial champions had "too much"time off people cried now the balance is in their favour and against the qualifiers and guess what people cry"
In fairness there is a difference between too much time and no rest. So please enjoy your win and don't be getting cocky because it will bite you.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3062 - 07/08/2021 23:51:59    2368697

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Congratulations to Limerick. Great win. Hard luck Waterford. Great season despite this loss. Hang in there.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2513 - 07/08/2021 23:52:13    2368698

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Replying To Suas Sios:  "Was I wrong?

Would you agree/admit the ref favoured you in the 2nd half, including the red?

I wanted Waterford to win by the way."
What way did he favour us? Like when the commentator said the player just stood his ground but In fact his hurley was in the throat of the Waterford player. Look we were no good enough and there are always incidents to see different. These high tackles are dangerous and we are as guilty as the rest. Funny I got lambasted by saying a frontal charge should be allowed while sticks neck high are common place.
I am a fierce Limerick supporter after we are out and would be the. same about Clare, Wexford, Galway and some others. In fact I think Clare were the most unlucky. Everyone talks about the direct route and that is what I base that on as they were treated to an interpretation of the rule that was never repeated or probably will never again.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3062 - 08/08/2021 01:53:59    2368708

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Yes, a 'hurler on the ditch' just like you and me, and anyone else who comments on here. What's your point.?"
My point is we won the last game with 14 men for the a whole half game and I did not find it necessary to cast dispersions on Tipp, challenging there ineptitude or anything else.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3062 - 08/08/2021 02:01:56    2368709

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "" but glad to see neutrals think ref was very harsh on limerick" Sorry CTGAA10, I must be missing something, but could you point me to all these 'neutrals' who think the ref was very harsh on Limerick?"
Michael Deignan for a start bur did you want him to name everyone?

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 08/08/2021 05:32:25    2368711

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@canuck and Waterford natives

Just wondering what your thoughts are on how Waterford approached yesterday's game?

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 08/08/2021 07:58:43    2368715

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Huge credit to Limerick. They'll win the final at a canter now. I thought they looked vulnerable earlier in the year but it seems they were training hard during the league when the likes of Tipp put out almost full strength teams for 70 mins. They've timed their run to perfection and their consistency is incredible.
I 100% agree a team coming into a semi final should have had a two week break. Not good enough at this level.!
Cahill has been brilliant for Waterford but I'm baffled by him once again playing Lyons out of position. We have three top class number 5's in the semi finals this year and for me he could be the best of them and yet he's put on hegarty again like the final last year. He only came into the game for 10 mins when Hegarty drifted over to the other wing. Lyons is clearly not comfortable at left half back (not was he at corner back against Clare). From the number 5 position he's arguably Waterford's biggest attacking threat and arguably their most important player. Like Kyle hayes you have to have a plan for him there.
One players position won't change a result like that but i was surprised to see them make the same mistake 3 times in a year.
Limerick are the only team left who don't worry about "matchups". Each player knows his role and his zone inside out and I think other counties need to start trusting their own players too.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 08/08/2021 09:01:51    2368722

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Huge credit to Limerick. They'll win the final at a canter now. I thought they looked vulnerable earlier in the year but it seems they were training hard during the league when the likes of Tipp put out almost full strength teams for 70 mins. They've timed their run to perfection and their consistency is incredible.
I 100% agree a team coming into a semi final should have had a two week break. Not good enough at this level.!
Cahill has been brilliant for Waterford but I'm baffled by him once again playing Lyons out of position. We have three top class number 5's in the semi finals this year and for me he could be the best of them and yet he's put on hegarty again like the final last year. He only came into the game for 10 mins when Hegarty drifted over to the other wing. Lyons is clearly not comfortable at left half back (not was he at corner back against Clare). From the number 5 position he's arguably Waterford's biggest attacking threat and arguably their most important player. Like Kyle hayes you have to have a plan for him there.
One players position won't change a result like that but i was surprised to see them make the same mistake 3 times in a year.
Limerick are the only team left who don't worry about "matchups". Each player knows his role and his zone inside out and I think other counties need to start trusting their own players too.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 08/08/2021 09:01:52    2368723

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "I didn't want to say anything but glad to see neutrals think ref was very harsh on limerick,couldn't buy a free in 2nd half..maybe if umpires were as vigilant Peter wouldn't have have been so silly..huge loss in final..Waterford tried everything to get involved with limerick and thanks be to god more players didn't take the bait..another all Ireland final,great days to be from limerick..thanks to all with this fabulous team.."
Getting very boring at this stage.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 08/08/2021 09:03:59    2368724

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It's a tough one again on Waterford having played so well against Galway and Tipp. Four games in as many weeks certainly took its toll and they were up against the strongest, fittest and best prepared team in Ireland. There is also the Croke Park factor for Waterford imo. They weren't tired in the first 15 minutes or even the first 30 minutes, they played out of their skins and were able to compete and outmuscle Limerick. However, they were over-anxious, dropped the sliotar numerous times out of the hand, that rarely happened in Thurles, they missed some easy chances unlike Thurles and they missed a good few frees in that first half. They should have been at least 4 points ahead by the first water break.
I don't think any team would have beaten Limerick yesterday and I can't see them being beaten this year or next tbh. They are the new KK and they are eager to prove it.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 08/08/2021 09:04:38    2368726

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Replying To Canuck:  "In fairness there is a difference between too much time and no rest. So please enjoy your win and don't be getting cocky because it will bite you."
They're not 'getting cocky' Canuck, they have been so for sometime! We've seen it all before when another team started to dominate....

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 08/08/2021 09:24:46    2368729

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Replying To slayer:  "@canuck and Waterford natives

Just wondering what your thoughts are on how Waterford approached yesterday's game?"
Give the man a rest ffs! Won't ye lot tell us all what happened and why!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 08/08/2021 09:27:26    2368731

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Replying To Canuck:  "Every time we get close there is always someone else at their peak. That is the nature of things. This Limerick team for sure be up there with the greatest. Incidentally I feel bad for Casey missing the final. As in all these cases there is always an element of retaliation. I hate when players provoke as the game is slipping away. I don't care if it is my team or somebody else. I hope Waterford will do everything possible to get him freed. Look we did as many high tackles as they did. So stop trying to put them down."
For sure you have been unlucky that way. You had a great team in the late noughties but unfortunately our neighbours had probably the best intercounty team of all time. Then you reached another final only to lose to the best team of that time in Galway. Now Limerick have picked up that baton.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15917 - 08/08/2021 09:54:15    2368739

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