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Replying To baire:  "It's a tough one again on Waterford having played so well against Galway and Tipp. Four games in as many weeks certainly took its toll and they were up against the strongest, fittest and best prepared team in Ireland. There is also the Croke Park factor for Waterford imo. They weren't tired in the first 15 minutes or even the first 30 minutes, they played out of their skins and were able to compete and outmuscle Limerick. However, they were over-anxious, dropped the sliotar numerous times out of the hand, that rarely happened in Thurles, they missed some easy chances unlike Thurles and they missed a good few frees in that first half. They should have been at least 4 points ahead by the first water break.
I don't think any team would have beaten Limerick yesterday and I can't see them being beaten this year or next tbh. They are the new KK and they are eager to prove it."
At that level and that crucial stage of the championship 4 games in 4 wks is asking a lot tbh, I picked up on the back door being brought back into play next season as it was never officially removed, covid / 19 reason only, its needed back in football that's whats being said. Limerick are cruising.

Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 302 - 08/08/2021 10:26:41    2368745

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Hold your horses there guys. Limerick played very well against a team playing below par. Waterford missed a hat of scores in the first quarter. I think the loss of Casey is serious and Nash looks like he's done his knee. Both players are extremely important to Limerick. Caseys fast transfer helped make the goal and Nash is an unreal athlete and is som comfortable on the ball. Plus they will be up against one of tbe aristocrats of the game. Neither of whom would fear Limerick. I do think someone the 'praise' we are hearing is a little backhanded . Setting Limerick up for a big fall.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 08/08/2021 10:27:36    2368746

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I was at the match yesterday and the movement of the Limerick team was incredible. They've all got Teflon hands, never panic, and almost always do the right thing. I don't think there's a team left to stop them tbh. They're unreal.

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 08/08/2021 10:57:49    2368752

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Hold your horses there guys. Limerick played very well against a team playing below par. Waterford missed a hat of scores in the first quarter. I think the loss of Casey is serious and Nash looks like he's done his knee. Both players are extremely important to Limerick. Caseys fast transfer helped make the goal and Nash is an unreal athlete and is som comfortable on the ball. Plus they will be up against one of tbe aristocrats of the game. Neither of whom would fear Limerick. I do think someone the 'praise' we are hearing is a little backhanded . Setting Limerick up for a big fall."
Why don't you take out your whiteboard there and show us how ye are going to win the All Ireland! ;)

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 08/08/2021 10:58:20    2368753

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Replying To blackspot91:  "Michael Deignan for a start bur did you want him to name everyone?"
Yes first 15 mins of the 2nd half the ref seemed to be trying to keep Waterford in the game and Duignan acknowledged that. But despite his cultivated image of "calling it as it is", he proceeded to act like the typical media commentator. He remarked that Limerick couldn't get a free but as soon as Waterford started to reduce the margin with frees, some of which appeared to be more deserving had they gone Limerick's way, he then changed the narrative and said that the Waterford mini revival was happening due to Limerick dropping their intensity! I didn't see any intensity drop from Limerick at that stage but it was a more euphemistic and conventional way of describing it!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2022 - 08/08/2021 10:59:06    2368754

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Hold your horses there guys. Limerick played very well against a team playing below par. Waterford missed a hat of scores in the first quarter. I think the loss of Casey is serious and Nash looks like he's done his knee. Both players are extremely important to Limerick. Caseys fast transfer helped make the goal and Nash is an unreal athlete and is som comfortable on the ball. Plus they will be up against one of tbe aristocrats of the game. Neither of whom would fear Limerick. I do think someone the 'praise' we are hearing is a little backhanded . Setting Limerick up for a big fall."
How are so certain about Nash... Yes he hurt it but nothing to suggest he's gone for the final? I was in the Hoganstand near enough to where he walked off and it looked precautionary as much as anything..

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1107 - 08/08/2021 11:04:24    2368755

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Tiobroid do you not think ref gave limerick nothing in 2nd half..it often happens that when a team is so far ahead the ref does try and bring the other team back into it..I'm not going to list incidents..on the Casey incident speaking to people who were at that end didn't see it and maintain umpires couldn't see it as ball was still in play..word came through the mouth piece and linesman ran in..even if people look at Keenan's reaction,I don't think he wants to do it..before people go down my throat,I do say peter was wrong..Canuck do you think gleeson might be a small bit embarrassed by his actions considering he missed a final in similar circumstances?just in case you wonder why I'm asking you Canuck,you come across as being a very genuine waterford and hurling supporter..young o brien is a fine prospect as a keeper,but what had billy Nolan done wrong?

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2520 - 08/08/2021 11:25:35    2368760

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Thought Limerick were very impressive, the spread of talent in the forwards is virtually impossible to mark. Waterford battled, particular half-way through the second half, but realistically are a good bit off Limerick. Hard to see any challenge this year, or coming through, for this Limerick team. Thought ref had a great first half, but give a few soft calls to Waterford in second half (...but that is always going to happen). Didn't see the Casey incident, but if he did what is being said, then he deserves whatever suspension he gets.

Setanta11 (Louth) - Posts: 45 - 08/08/2021 11:42:22    2368764

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Replying To Viking66:  "Not sure P Mahony would suit Waterfords current style"
He'd be a good lad to have around none the less.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2336 - 08/08/2021 12:34:00    2368770

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Tiobroid do you not think ref gave limerick nothing in 2nd half..it often happens that when a team is so far ahead the ref does try and bring the other team back into it..I'm not going to list incidents..on the Casey incident speaking to people who were at that end didn't see it and maintain umpires couldn't see it as ball was still in play..word came through the mouth piece and linesman ran in..even if people look at Keenan's reaction,I don't think he wants to do it..before people go down my throat,I do say peter was wrong..Canuck do you think gleeson might be a small bit embarrassed by his actions considering he missed a final in similar circumstances?just in case you wonder why I'm asking you Canuck,you come across as being a very genuine waterford and hurling supporter..young o brien is a fine prospect as a keeper,but what had billy Nolan done wrong?"
There were one or two incidents that I can imagine you are referring too but there were incidents the other way in the first half that limerick got the calls on. I thought limerick got away with a lot of technical fouls in the first half - mostly hand passing issues.
But to be honest I'm a bit sick of all the talk on here being about marginal calls and yet when it happens to certain counties they say it's karma.
Itis just all very boring anyway. Some contributors on here from limerick continually blame the opposition for red card insistence's.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 08/08/2021 12:58:30    2368780

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Hold your horses there guys. Limerick played very well against a team playing below par. Waterford missed a hat of scores in the first quarter. I think the loss of Casey is serious and Nash looks like he's done his knee. Both players are extremely important to Limerick. Caseys fast transfer helped make the goal and Nash is an unreal athlete and is som comfortable on the ball. Plus they will be up against one of tbe aristocrats of the game. Neither of whom would fear Limerick. I do think someone the 'praise' we are hearing is a little backhanded . Setting Limerick up for a big fall."
Dealing with high praise is an attribute all great teams possess. I don't think this limerick team are likely to be complacent or take anything for granted the final against either Cork or Kilkenny. Both these teams have dished it out to Limerick enough times in the past so I don't think they will be found wanting!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1468 - 08/08/2021 13:24:25    2368791

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Tiobroid do you not think ref gave limerick nothing in 2nd half..it often happens that when a team is so far ahead the ref does try and bring the other team back into it..I'm not going to list incidents..on the Casey incident speaking to people who were at that end didn't see it and maintain umpires couldn't see it as ball was still in play..word came through the mouth piece and linesman ran in..even if people look at Keenan's reaction,I don't think he wants to do it..before people go down my throat,I do say peter was wrong..Canuck do you think gleeson might be a small bit embarrassed by his actions considering he missed a final in similar circumstances?just in case you wonder why I'm asking you Canuck,you come across as being a very genuine waterford and hurling supporter..young o brien is a fine prospect as a keeper,but what had billy Nolan done wrong?"
Are you not happy with the margin of victory?

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 08/08/2021 13:38:54    2368795

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Tiobroid do you not think ref gave limerick nothing in 2nd half..it often happens that when a team is so far ahead the ref does try and bring the other team back into it..I'm not going to list incidents..on the Casey incident speaking to people who were at that end didn't see it and maintain umpires couldn't see it as ball was still in play..word came through the mouth piece and linesman ran in..even if people look at Keenan's reaction,I don't think he wants to do it..before people go down my throat,I do say peter was wrong..Canuck do you think gleeson might be a small bit embarrassed by his actions considering he missed a final in similar circumstances?just in case you wonder why I'm asking you Canuck,you come across as being a very genuine waterford and hurling supporter..young o brien is a fine prospect as a keeper,but what had billy Nolan done wrong?"
O Brien better at the puckouts

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15920 - 08/08/2021 13:39:03    2368796

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Replying To tiobraid:  "There were one or two incidents that I can imagine you are referring too but there were incidents the other way in the first half that limerick got the calls on. I thought limerick got away with a lot of technical fouls in the first half - mostly hand passing issues.
But to be honest I'm a bit sick of all the talk on here being about marginal calls and yet when it happens to certain counties they say it's karma.
Itis just all very boring anyway. Some contributors on here from limerick continually blame the opposition for red card insistence's."
Tiobraid, I agree with you. Some calls you get. Some you don't. Overall, it balances out. I think we wouldn't have half these comments on here about refereeing performances, if fellas were able to have their post-mortems after a game over a pint, either with their own supporters or opponents, like in the pre-Covid era. It is difficult at times to gauge the tone of a poster's comments on here. Your own, btw, are always seem informed, fair and objective.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2249 - 08/08/2021 13:42:24    2368798

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Replying To Bon:  "He'd be a good lad to have around none the less."
Not really fair to have him putting all the time in training etc and then not play him. And I dont think you could play him in Waterfords current system. Yes hes a better freetaker than Bennett but hes not a man that would be able for all the tracking back and tackling that Waterford need out of their half forwards. He wouldnt have the pace necessary for the way they use their inside line either. Hard to see where exactly you would play him.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15920 - 08/08/2021 13:43:29    2368799

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Tiobroid do you not think ref gave limerick nothing in 2nd half..it often happens that when a team is so far ahead the ref does try and bring the other team back into it..I'm not going to list incidents..on the Casey incident speaking to people who were at that end didn't see it and maintain umpires couldn't see it as ball was still in play..word came through the mouth piece and linesman ran in..even if people look at Keenan's reaction,I don't think he wants to do it..before people go down my throat,I do say peter was wrong..Canuck do you think gleeson might be a small bit embarrassed by his actions considering he missed a final in similar circumstances?just in case you wonder why I'm asking you Canuck,you come across as being a very genuine waterford and hurling supporter..young o brien is a fine prospect as a keeper,but what had billy Nolan done wrong?"
Honestly I think he should be embarrassed. There seemed to me to be a lot going on there between them all day. I don't know how Nolan lost out. There is not much between them.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3062 - 08/08/2021 13:45:16    2368800

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Tiobroid do you not think ref gave limerick nothing in 2nd half..it often happens that when a team is so far ahead the ref does try and bring the other team back into it..I'm not going to list incidents..on the Casey incident speaking to people who were at that end didn't see it and maintain umpires couldn't see it as ball was still in play..word came through the mouth piece and linesman ran in..even if people look at Keenan's reaction,I don't think he wants to do it..before people go down my throat,I do say peter was wrong..Canuck do you think gleeson might be a small bit embarrassed by his actions considering he missed a final in similar circumstances?just in case you wonder why I'm asking you Canuck,you come across as being a very genuine waterford and hurling supporter..young o brien is a fine prospect as a keeper,but what had billy Nolan done wrong?"
He head butted another player, sorry there is no excuse…straight red, we need to stop excusing this behaviour….it's not tough, not manly and is foul play simple as…rules are there for a reason

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 08/08/2021 13:58:54    2368805

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Replying To Canuck:  "What way did he favour us? Like when the commentator said the player just stood his ground but In fact his hurley was in the throat of the Waterford player. Look we were no good enough and there are always incidents to see different. These high tackles are dangerous and we are as guilty as the rest. Funny I got lambasted by saying a frontal charge should be allowed while sticks neck high are common place.
I am a fierce Limerick supporter after we are out and would be the. same about Clare, Wexford, Galway and some others. In fact I think Clare were the most unlucky. Everyone talks about the direct route and that is what I base that on as they were treated to an interpretation of the rule that was never repeated or probably will never again."
I was thinking to myself that limerick weren't getting any frees in the 2nd half (eg forward got a push in the back but it was given as a free out). When they were 10 points up with a man less I popped in to look at the comments here. Made my comment supporting the same narrative and went to TG4. I've see GAA refs do this my whole life, give a slight advantage to the team losing. There was an incident in the 1st half when the waterford man was fouled and after he won his free he reacted with a strike to the stomach straight in front of the ref, who sensibly perhaps, threw the ball in when by the letter of the law he could have given a red for the strike. It would have ruined the game as a contest so he kinda favoured you then as well. And in the end it didn't help.

Suas Sios (None) - Posts: 1558 - 08/08/2021 14:01:01    2368806

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "He head butted another player, sorry there is no excuse…straight red, we need to stop excusing this behaviour….it's not tough, not manly and is foul play simple as…rules are there for a reason"
You're a stickler for discipline. I have some sympathy for Casey if he misses the Final. By the rules, a Waterford player should have been sent off for striking early in the game. What Paudie did you think of your own county's discipline at the end of the Roscommon U20 game. Two Down players sent off and it could have been four. The Roscommon man of the match could hardly open one of his eyes where a Down finger had gone into it. Utterly disgraceful stuff.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2423 - 08/08/2021 14:19:13    2368810

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Replying To Suas Sios:  "I was thinking to myself that limerick weren't getting any frees in the 2nd half (eg forward got a push in the back but it was given as a free out). When they were 10 points up with a man less I popped in to look at the comments here. Made my comment supporting the same narrative and went to TG4. I've see GAA refs do this my whole life, give a slight advantage to the team losing. There was an incident in the 1st half when the waterford man was fouled and after he won his free he reacted with a strike to the stomach straight in front of the ref, who sensibly perhaps, threw the ball in when by the letter of the law he could have given a red for the strike. It would have ruined the game as a contest so he kinda favoured you then as well. And in the end it didn't help."
I would not be proud of Gleeson part in Casey's dismissal but that tap in the stomach would be up there as one of the best simulations of the season. He behaved as if he was stabbed with a butcher's knife but the ref in fairness did not fall for It and subsequently no action. I wish players would stop that nonsense.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3062 - 08/08/2021 14:30:57    2368821

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