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Replying To munsterchamps:  "i met your cousins here in limerick recently ...they said you havnt got over 2018 yet......"
Those cousins must just long for the annual visit down from Auntie Katser in Galway, to gather around her like starry-eyed kittens to hang onto her every word of amazing hurling knowledge. It must be the highlight of their otherwise dull year, each and every year. God bless 'em... AND God help 'em!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2248 - 04/08/2021 00:29:21    2367435

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Hard to look at hurling nowadays. Yellow cards given out for any type of tackle. Even fair shoulders generate yellow cards. No pulling on ball in the air. In fact, any contact is forbidden. Some 30 points knocked over per game as ball is light and travels far. Ground hurling is out, and the most important player on each team is the free taker. The GAA hierarchy should hang their heads in shame!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 04/08/2021 01:01:55    2367437

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Bloodyban. Laois and Offaly were respectively called Queens and Kings County with Portleix called Maryborough and Birr called Philipborough. Both Philip and Mary were Catholic Monarchs. There was also a Catholic Plantation in North Wexford and Mrs OTMs maiden name is one of a few common there that are English names to this day."
Oldtourman, please don't contradict a person who is "firmly convinced of what just isn't so."

No w, to the weekend games...Limerick by 7.

Re Cork and Kilkenny : Tought call but I think cork will emerge.

Would also much prefer a crack at Kilkenny should we beat Waterford, and if Waterford beat us, then Come On The Deise!

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 04/08/2021 03:34:17    2367438

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Limerick and Kilkenny for me. Though I wouldnt be upset or surprised if it turned out Waterford v Cork.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15906 - 04/08/2021 06:37:23    2367439

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Replying To Canuck:  "Those Wexford hurling teams of the 60's were a sight to behold. Did not see much of the 50's. Just running around in the yard being one of their heroes or Franky Walsh and Philly Grimes. Back boned by the names Quigley, Jacob, Doran, Neville and many other greats. I love my Munster hurling but those Leinster finals with Kilkenny could not be surpassed by anything. I never missed one."
I would go back to the team of the 3 Rackard brothers, Tim Flood, Padge Kehoe, Ned Wheeler,Nick O' Donnell etc as the best Wexford team I've seen. Big men but they played hurling as it should be played, tough and fair!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 04/08/2021 09:52:32    2367455

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Replying To Rockies:  "Hard to look at hurling nowadays. Yellow cards given out for any type of tackle. Even fair shoulders generate yellow cards. No pulling on ball in the air. In fact, any contact is forbidden. Some 30 points knocked over per game as ball is light and travels far. Ground hurling is out, and the most important player on each team is the free taker. The GAA hierarchy should hang their heads in shame!"
Hurling has never been better. Plenty of matches on rte Gold to watch lad. The skill level in modern day hurling is exceptional. Ask any former player. It's breathtaking at times. The fitness, movement, touch, striking and ability to make the game an enormous spectacle has come about through coaching and an ability to adapt. The modern game came about as a necessity after kk dominated the sport through physicality. Route one win the ball. Cork evolved it. Galway did and now limerick have taken the best of cork and kk and have married a style that others will try and follow. It's evolution.

I've watched several AI finals back from the 70s 80s 90s and 00s and by god the standard was woeful. It was manly, tough, and at times had players who stood out through an ability to score well buy overall the spectacle was incredibly poor.

Hurling reached its pinnacle for me in 18. That double AI semi final weekend was incredible. This year we have seen amazing matches, tight finishes, drama. Most matches turning on the slightest call, save, miss,ref decision.

You will always have those who complain and they have their right to voice it. But for me roll on the weekend. These modern hurlers put their lives on hold to entertain us for 2 hours on the weekend, and 7 days in between. Keep the banter flowing.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 04/08/2021 10:17:53    2367463

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Replying To Rockies:  "I would go back to the team of the 3 Rackard brothers, Tim Flood, Padge Kehoe, Ned Wheeler,Nick O' Donnell etc as the best Wexford team I've seen. Big men but they played hurling as it should be played, tough and fair!"
Wouldve been great to have watched that team play live in front of 80000 people! Wouldve been some atmosphere!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15906 - 04/08/2021 10:24:30    2367470

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Replying To Viking66:  "Wouldve been great to have watched that team play live in front of 80000 people! Wouldve been some atmosphere!!"
I had friend, recently left us, who was at the famous 1956 league final when Wexford came back from something like 16 points down against Tipp at half time to score I think five goals in the second half and win.

His tale featured a telling of Nicky Rackard's speech in the dressing room. Don't know where he came by it but he told it one night in company of Seamus Murphy of Rathnure who was involved with our club at the time, and he confirmed the substance.

My Da was Tipp but loved watching that Wexford team.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3563 - 04/08/2021 12:18:52    2367522

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Replying To daveboy:  "Hurling has never been better. Plenty of matches on rte Gold to watch lad. The skill level in modern day hurling is exceptional. Ask any former player. It's breathtaking at times. The fitness, movement, touch, striking and ability to make the game an enormous spectacle has come about through coaching and an ability to adapt. The modern game came about as a necessity after kk dominated the sport through physicality. Route one win the ball. Cork evolved it. Galway did and now limerick have taken the best of cork and kk and have married a style that others will try and follow. It's evolution.

I've watched several AI finals back from the 70s 80s 90s and 00s and by god the standard was woeful. It was manly, tough, and at times had players who stood out through an ability to score well buy overall the spectacle was incredibly poor.

Hurling reached its pinnacle for me in 18. That double AI semi final weekend was incredible. This year we have seen amazing matches, tight finishes, drama. Most matches turning on the slightest call, save, miss,ref decision.

You will always have those who complain and they have their right to voice it. But for me roll on the weekend. These modern hurlers put their lives on hold to entertain us for 2 hours on the weekend, and 7 days in between. Keep the banter flowing."
Spot on Daveboy there have been some all time classic games every year this last few years possibly excepting the covid season in 2020 although the Waterford Kilkenny semi was a gripping encounter.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15906 - 04/08/2021 12:26:46    2367528

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What are the crowd limits for the semi-finals this weekend? I saw one source say it was 24,000, then another say it might be 36,000. I know its 40,000 for the AI final 2 weeks subsequently, so I thought it might be the same for the semi's

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 04/08/2021 14:16:44    2367576

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  "What are the crowd limits for the semi-finals this weekend? I saw one source say it was 24,000, then another say it might be 36,000. I know its 40,000 for the AI final 2 weeks subsequently, so I thought it might be the same for the semi's"
24k

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 04/08/2021 16:59:17    2367650

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It's a bit ridiculous in my opinion..24,000 this weekend but 40,000 in 2 weeks..where are they pulling the numbers from?how do they know it's not safe to have 40 this week?can anyone explain how 500 is magical figure for minor/under 20s?i know I'm probably going to get on a few posters nerves over this..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2518 - 04/08/2021 17:10:42    2367656

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Replying To Viking66:  "Limerick and Kilkenny for me. Though I wouldnt be upset or surprised if it turned out Waterford v Cork."
Your faciiliting everyone Viking66!! Predicting Kilkenny and limrik but wouldn't be surprised if Cork and Waterford won!
How many red cards for limrik....I reckon 2!!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2587 - 04/08/2021 18:36:58    2367691

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "It's a bit ridiculous in my opinion..24,000 this weekend but 40,000 in 2 weeks..where are they pulling the numbers from?how do they know it's not safe to have 40 this week?can anyone explain how 500 is magical figure for minor/under 20s?i know I'm probably going to get on a few posters nerves over this.."
They just make it up as they go along. Look at the contradictions between religious services and pubs, or the hypocrisy of certain people having big parties and other people not being allowed have proper funerals.

Sure, the FAI womens league was up and running months before GAA on the basis that it is supposed to be an "elite" sport!!

People have had enough of it all. As you say, makes absolute no sense the limits they have in GAA grounds,

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3563 - 04/08/2021 18:40:59    2367695

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "It's a bit ridiculous in my opinion..24,000 this weekend but 40,000 in 2 weeks..where are they pulling the numbers from?how do they know it's not safe to have 40 this week?can anyone explain how 500 is magical figure for minor/under 20s?i know I'm probably going to get on a few posters nerves over this.."
Agree the 500 limit for club and underage games is very annoying. How are spectators at an underage or club game any more infectious than spectators at an intercounty one?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15906 - 04/08/2021 18:59:48    2367707

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Replying To katser:  "Your faciiliting everyone Viking66!! Predicting Kilkenny and limrik but wouldn't be surprised if Cork and Waterford won!
How many red cards for limrik....I reckon 2!!"
Tbh Katser this year has seen 3 of the 4 teams I thought at the beginning of the championship would get to the semis in the hurling get there. Only for Cork instead of Galway. And all 4 of the teams I thought at the start would make the football semis have made them. No red cards for Limerick and if they dont win hopefully Waterford will bring home Liam.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15906 - 04/08/2021 19:03:10    2367710

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Replying To Viking66:  "Spot on Daveboy there have been some all time classic games every year this last few years possibly excepting the covid season in 2020 although the Waterford Kilkenny semi was a gripping encounter."
Hurling is great now and in all honesty was always. A couple of clean up issue needed to keep it that way in spite the nay sayers to any change. The saying goes. Do what you did yesterday and you will fail. Do what you are doing today and you will fail. Do what you need to do for tomorrow and you will grow and prosper.
A few examples. Refereeing help in some form that the game as played today needs. The refs have got hammered with replays, pundits and trying to keep up with athletes going like sprinters 100 meters away. Use (more) of technology to determine scores. Better competition structure like having the All-Ireland series separate from the province. This up and down relegation stuff is killing counties. Resources to help push teams up not a structure to send them down.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3061 - 04/08/2021 19:22:50    2367719

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Replying To Viking66:  "That's a bit harsh on the lads. I travel through Kilkenny quite a lot with work etc and you see young lads out pucking a ball all year round in the little villages and towns. Might this not have more to do with their recent success than Norman ancestry perhaps?!!!"
The reference to Norman ancestry was tongue in cheek. I gave a number of reasons why I felt that KK team were so driven and I stated that B Cody was the main reason. I was mainly trying to figure out what was behind that insatiable will to win and win and win again and to stifle all opposition. If you mean the players, when you say 'that's a bit harsh on the lads' I wasn't referring to them but to the mentality of management and the supporters. I have great admiration for those players, their skills, courage, commitment, drive, tenacity etc. Some of those players made huge sacrifices and have life-long injuries - I feel sorry for hurlers who end up with bad knees, hands, ankles no matter what county. I'm at an age where I'd be very conscious of player welfare and long-term health. When Joe Canning announced his retirement recently it hit me in the stomach almost like a bereavement cause I've watched him at club and county level for so many years but on reflection I was thinking he's doing the right thing, he needs to mind himself both mentally and physically.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 04/08/2021 19:37:22    2367723

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Replying To Rockies:  "Limerick vs Waterford.( Limerick by 8 points )Cork vs Kilkenny (Cork by 5 points ). Limerick's physique too much for Waterford. Cork's speed too much for old timers like TJ. Reid"
Yeah, sure Rockies. Hopefully most of the others in Cork, like you, believe that Kilkenny are a one man team. We've always smiled at the 'Billy Big Bollocks' statements coming out of Cork before a major game down the years.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2789 - 04/08/2021 19:40:07    2367725

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Replying To baire:  "The reference to Norman ancestry was tongue in cheek. I gave a number of reasons why I felt that KK team were so driven and I stated that B Cody was the main reason. I was mainly trying to figure out what was behind that insatiable will to win and win and win again and to stifle all opposition. If you mean the players, when you say 'that's a bit harsh on the lads' I wasn't referring to them but to the mentality of management and the supporters. I have great admiration for those players, their skills, courage, commitment, drive, tenacity etc. Some of those players made huge sacrifices and have life-long injuries - I feel sorry for hurlers who end up with bad knees, hands, ankles no matter what county. I'm at an age where I'd be very conscious of player welfare and long-term health. When Joe Canning announced his retirement recently it hit me in the stomach almost like a bereavement cause I've watched him at club and county level for so many years but on reflection I was thinking he's doing the right thing, he needs to mind himself both mentally and physically."
Definitely Baire. Noone should care more about player welfare than the players themselves. The game is faster now and the lads are pushing the physical limits of what is possible year on year. Joe Canning a great player and great man. I'm sure he will still be involved in the game in some way going forward.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15906 - 04/08/2021 19:44:41    2367728

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