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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Who decides who defenders are? Will players have to wear different coloured armbands or what?" Yes, there would need to be a distinction between players. An armband is probably the most likely option as counties wouldn't want to change jerseys especially now that most counties have numerous sponsorship logos on the jersey. The idea may be too complex to enforce which is why it probably wouldn't be a runner. I'm glad to see the committee tasked with finding a solution is having games to try out some of the suggestions. In the past, I think they used the pre season competitions and the league to test them but the league has become as important to some counties as the championship. wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1981 - 03/08/2024 14:00:51 2563694 Link
If all teams have to keep three players up, it might be the three forwards that would wear an armband? It has to work at club level where there might only be a referee without any other officials. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 05/08/2024 12:34:50 2563877 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "If all teams have to keep three players up, it might be the three forwards that would wear an armband? It has to work at club level where there might only be a referee without any other officials." Getting sillier by the day...... Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1809 - 05/08/2024 13:28:14 2563887 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "If all teams have to keep three players up, it might be the three forwards that would wear an armband? It has to work at club level where there might only be a referee without any other officials." Help me with something, please - everytime I read "three up" in the media, I'm very unclear as to how many are marking them - is it "3-on-3" or the defence can have all 11 others plus the goalkeeper back? - still a sizeable blanket. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2823 - 06/08/2024 04:15:32 2563959 Link
Replying To omahant: "Help me with something, please - everytime I read "three up" in the media, I'm very unclear as to how many are marking them - is it "3-on-3" or the defence can have all 11 others plus the goalkeeper back? - still a sizeable blanket." I would imagine it would be 3 players at all times - then it would be up to the opposition how many players they keep back to mark them, and surely the jersey colour or whatever would denote the 3. Nowadays it doesn't seem to make a lot of difference if they were forwards, backs or midfielders as everyone seems to be equally proficient at keep all and attack. I suppose it makes little sense to those of us who are mere spectators. Possibly does to coaches etc. Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1166 - 06/08/2024 07:28:31 2563961 Link
Replying To omahant: "Help me with something, please - everytime I read "three up" in the media, I'm very unclear as to how many are marking them - is it "3-on-3" or the defence can have all 11 others plus the goalkeeper back? - still a sizeable blanket." Think galway this year something like that a kind of narrow blanket built to no concede goals while keeping a presence at the far end of the field. Adding the two point scoring zone should encourage more man marking but 4 points for a goal means you have to protect your goal, some interesting tactical choices there Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1637 - 06/08/2024 12:38:11 2563996 Link
Replying To Freethinker: "I would imagine it would be 3 players at all times - then it would be up to the opposition how many players they keep back to mark them, and surely the jersey colour or whatever would denote the 3. Nowadays it doesn't seem to make a lot of difference if they were forwards, backs or midfielders as everyone seems to be equally proficient at keep all and attack. I suppose it makes little sense to those of us who are mere spectators. Possibly does to coaches etc." Yes, looks like it's 3 players - any 3 players - forward at all times. It's up to the opposition to mark, or not mark them. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 290 - 06/08/2024 12:45:50 2563998 Link
If three players have to stay forward, there has to be leeway to swap the players staying forward. For the ordinary referee at club level without any officials, is a forwards armband similar to a captains armband in soccer the only option for clarity? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 06/08/2024 14:06:58 2564019 Link
Replying To Freethinker: "I would imagine it would be 3 players at all times - then it would be up to the opposition how many players they keep back to mark them, and surely the jersey colour or whatever would denote the 3. Nowadays it doesn't seem to make a lot of difference if they were forwards, backs or midfielders as everyone seems to be equally proficient at keep all and attack. I suppose it makes little sense to those of us who are mere spectators. Possibly does to coaches etc." I don't about jersey colours and if the three up are midfielders, defenders or elephants - can the defence, if it chooses, have 12 instead of 15 back - yes or no? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2823 - 06/08/2024 19:45:33 2564086 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "If three players have to stay forward, there has to be leeway to swap the players staying forward. For the ordinary referee at club level without any officials, is a forwards armband similar to a captains armband in soccer the only option for clarity?" Why didn't they go with an "offside rule" like mine? - easier to monitor or assess! 4-on-4 (or 3-on-3, if preferred) only needs to be assessed when as the ball ENTERS by crossing the attacking 45 (or 65, if preferred) - then it's free for all, flood the zone unrestricted or not until the ball EXITS again to reset the trigger (maybe build a cushion here, reset when the ball crosses the defensive 65 but reassess offside at the attacking 45 again. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2823 - 06/08/2024 19:55:39 2564089 Link
Any solution for tracking that three players are staying forward has to be workable for all levels. Is it enough that opposing will bring it to the referees attention if three players are straying further than they should? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 07/08/2024 17:01:29 2564181 Link
There has some questions on this forum and elsewhere, asking if one of the required "three/four up" can chase a defender in possession out of the zone. It's a fair question, possibly as yet unanswered. In my idea, the answer would be a clear YES - as the ball is EXITING the zone, there is no assessment on player count. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2823 - 07/08/2024 19:22:07 2564192 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "If three players have to stay forward, there has to be leeway to swap the players staying forward. For the ordinary referee at club level without any officials, is a forwards armband similar to a captains armband in soccer the only option for clarity?" It's any 3 players - they could be backs or forwards or midfielders. So, no need for armbands. Let's keep it simple. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 290 - 07/08/2024 21:47:21 2564200 Link
Replying To omahant: "I don't about jersey colours and if the three up are midfielders, defenders or elephants - can the defence, if it chooses, have 12 instead of 15 back - yes or no?" Yes. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 290 - 07/08/2024 21:48:20 2564201 Link
I had a thought on the proposal to introduce a 2-point arc into the game. I haven't been convinced on how this would be implemented without diminishing the value of a goal or indeed a point from inside the arc. The 1,2,4 score split seems somehow generous to the point scored outside the arc - a ratio of 1, 1.5, 4 would seem fairer - but you can't really credit half a point. The aim of the 2 point arc - is to increase the score percentage and make a long range score more attractive. Having watched some Aussie Rules over the weekend their concept of the wide scoring a point got me thinking. How about instead of a 2 point score from outside the arc; you have the additional goalposts to increase the target size when taking a long range shot? So if the shot goes between the outside posts you get a point and leave the scoring system as it is. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 330 - 08/08/2024 10:11:59 2564226 Link
Replying To omahant: "There has some questions on this forum and elsewhere, asking if one of the required "three/four up" can chase a defender in possession out of the zone. It's a fair question, possibly as yet unanswered. In my idea, the answer would be a clear YES - as the ball is EXITING the zone, there is no assessment on player count." The answer is a clear 'no'. Again, let's keep it simple. The rule does not relate to the ball; it relates to the players. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 290 - 08/08/2024 10:44:24 2564231 Link
Replying To brianb: "I had a thought on the proposal to introduce a 2-point arc into the game. I haven't been convinced on how this would be implemented without diminishing the value of a goal or indeed a point from inside the arc. The 1,2,4 score split seems somehow generous to the point scored outside the arc - a ratio of 1, 1.5, 4 would seem fairer - but you can't really credit half a point. The aim of the 2 point arc - is to increase the score percentage and make a long range score more attractive. Having watched some Aussie Rules over the weekend their concept of the wide scoring a point got me thinking. How about instead of a 2 point score from outside the arc; you have the additional goalposts to increase the target size when taking a long range shot? So if the shot goes between the outside posts you get a point and leave the scoring system as it is." The 1, 1.5 would be similar to basketball, but doesn't need to be - you could double your scale to 2,3,8, but with these numbers, we'll get cricket scores :) I also gave this some thought. At 2 pts, the probability of scoring from long range would need to be only 50% for an average of 1 pt per attempt, but at 1.5 pts, it needs a higher 66.7% (less attractive). Based on that, I'd go with 2 pts as proposed. Or, how about - 2 pts from long range (outside the arc); 2 pts from close range too (inside the 20) ONLY following a "45-20 kick" (kick inside the 20 from outside the 45, ball can hit the grass); 1 pt otherwise from between the forward goal line and inside the 40 metres arc; and 4 pts for a goal (under any scenario). To beat a dead horse - I'd rather a long-range "rectangle" at the top of the D (33 metres) instead of the arc - 2 pts score only from an angle (say middle third in front of goal is too easy/short, so 1 pt) I feel a rectangle would be easier to police at low level club games - even with sideline flags instead of painted lines. I love the AFL but would not like to see GAA outer posts brought back (like many yrs ago) - the long range kick has too much of a target. Even in the AFL, I feel the "behind" is a cheap score and I'd get rid of it - it's more a "tie breaker" - goals only between two tall poles. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2823 - 08/08/2024 14:55:58 2564274 Link
What's wrong with my "offside rule" - monitoring "three players up" (and max three defenders + goalkeeper too) ONLY when the ball ENTERS the 45-metres zone? After entry, there is no player restriction on either team - it's easier to police. Restriction is again triggered only when the ball EXITS say the 65 (rather than the 45) to allow for another potential attack following a turnover between the 45 & 65. If a team risked a 15-player blanket (after the ball enters own 45), they'd struggle to get three up again when the ball crosses the attacking 45 and they would often (always?) concede a free. I welcome "valid" arguments against. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2823 - 08/08/2024 15:17:35 2564278 Link
Replying To omahant: "What's wrong with my "offside rule" - monitoring "three players up" (and max three defenders + goalkeeper too) ONLY when the ball ENTERS the 45-metres zone? After entry, there is no player restriction on either team - it's easier to police. Restriction is again triggered only when the ball EXITS say the 65 (rather than the 45) to allow for another potential attack following a turnover between the 45 & 65. If a team risked a 15-player blanket (after the ball enters own 45), they'd struggle to get three up again when the ball crosses the attacking 45 and they would often (always?) concede a free. I welcome "valid" arguments against." I reckon a valid argument against any such proposal is proper enforcement, when you consider it would have to go all the way down a Junior B match with a well-intentioned but limited ability referee, played on a poorly-lined club pitch on a murky evening. With all due respect, if your location really is USA, I'm guessing you don't see as many "grassroots" matches as the rest of us, and therefore don't have the same level of appreciation of how difficult such things would be to actually put into practice. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2453 - 08/08/2024 15:51:45 2564283 Link
In my opinion one of reasons. Football is suffering at moment is the constant messing with the rules giving an inside mark for catching ball in ur chest from 20 yard pass is madness get rid of mark completely the idea of 3 players each team stay in one half of field at all times pure stupid can u imagine this at undrr 12 upwards it's crazy what they are at as for giving 2 points if point scored outside the 40 stupidest I've heard yet I wonder was this committee meeting held in the pubs ,, if they keep messing with rules players will stop playing and referee will definitely stop referring matches and I would not blame them and the gaa is like the government bring in something temporary but never change it they made a right shambles of changing minor to under 17 should be 18 made shambles of the compact season same with Pay per view matches the big prob is majorly of matches are played from jan 5th to April bad pitches weather , also made shambles of not excepting money at gates even a junior B final have go online to purchase ticket if that not stupidly what is GAA have lots there way and there are less people goung yo league matche now and it will. Get worse ,, Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 928 - 08/08/2024 16:41:50 2564288 Link