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But, you don't say how the number of handpasses could be reduced?
Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 287 - 03/07/2024 13:30:27 2556727 Link 0 |
How exactly, then, do players score points with the hand?
Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 287 - 03/07/2024 13:44:27 2556733 Link 0 |
Agreed. I sometimes wonder if there is any moderator here.
Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 287 - 03/07/2024 13:46:34 2556734 Link 0 |
FRC proposed '3v3 inside each 65' - does this mean we have an insane 8v8 in the 15-metres zone between the 65s? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2810 - 04/07/2024 15:04:06 2556919 Link 0 |
What happens if someone crosses this 65 to get the ball or chase an opponent with the ball, leaving only 2 in that "zone". Who'll count the players at a u14 D3 League game on a wet night in Ballinameen? Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1795 - 04/07/2024 15:55:31 2556925 Link 0 |
You love to add complexity and or take things from other sports simply be seeing them and not knowing why they are in use in those sports. The 50-22 law in rugby or any vsrient on it isn't needed and your proposal for points is a waste of time as its simply unworkable for refs who don't have a full team of officials with then. And that's a lot of refs in most games at most levels KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3624 - 04/07/2024 16:41:15 2556930 Link 1 |
By holding the ball in one hand and propelling the ball with the other hand.. same as making a pass to another player… you can't throw the ball in either cases… You must be new to the game… maybe stick to the rugby where they are allowed throw the ball….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2680 - 04/07/2024 17:16:12 2556936 Link 0 |
My preference would be not to have 3v3 "at all times" but evaluate it ONLY "when the ball enters the zone in an attacking direction" (like an offside rule). So in your example, as the ball is leaving the zone, the defender can give chase leaving two (or ten) inside, as the zone can flood once the ball is inside. I also think the 65 metre zone is too big for 3v3 - make it inside the 45 or a new 33 (across the top of the D). As for how could the ref police it - players in the FRC sandbox games are apparently bringing it to the ref's attention - so if it's that identifiable, compliance might automate after a while. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2810 - 04/07/2024 17:36:11 2556941 Link 0 |
"....not knowing why they are in use in those sports." That's an allegation that is as wild as untrue. I didn't say the "45-20" was intended to kick to touch to get a throw in to the lineout (I simply referenced it as a kick from point A to B - everybody except one knitwit knew that). I've said myself that the arc may be harder to police than a rectangle (at any level). My scoring change only adds a 45-20 kick requirement to the close range point - the rest is as FRC proposed. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2810 - 04/07/2024 17:52:22 2556943 Link 0 |
No, it is not the 'same as making a pass to another player'. Here is what the rulebook says: A player on the team attacking a goal and who is in possession of the ball may not score: (i) by carrying the ball over his opponents' goal line; (ii) a goal with his hands except as provided in Rule 1.2, Exception (ii) but may score a point with the open hand(s) or fist. Looks very like a throw to me!! You can even use two hands to throw the ball!! And here is what the rulebook says about 'a pass to another player': The ball must be struck with an open hand with a definite underhand striking action. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 287 - 04/07/2024 20:31:36 2556968 Link 0 |
I never knew that distinction for scoring a point - I thought the "striking action" was present for scoring, similar to passing to a player. Does it make sense to have two different rules?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2810 - 05/07/2024 16:54:47 2557085 Link 0 |
Don't be making a complete fool of yourself… it's exactly the same thing… You cannot throw the ball over the bar or throw it to another player as a pass unless your playing rugby…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2680 - 05/07/2024 23:52:01 2557138 Link 0 |
It looks like your ability to read and interpret plain English is somewhat impaired. Why are there 2 different rules with completely different wording? Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 287 - 06/07/2024 10:48:27 2557162 Link 0 |
It looks like your ability to read and interpret plain English is somewhat impaired. Why are there 2 different rules with completely different wording?"]It's you that's somewhat impaired… scoring a point with an open hand or fist is the same action used to give a hand pass to a teammate.. In no way does the rule seem to allow the ball be thrown in either cases.. scoring or passing… You must strike the ball with one hand (fist) from the other hand…. simple ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2680 - 06/07/2024 11:56:26 2557174 Link 0 |
The All-Ireland hurling final was incredible. The football review committee have their work cut out for them. Easy rules to apply at all levels that encourages attacking football, so that the team that goes out to score the most wins. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 23/07/2024 11:15:57 2560841 Link 0 |
More people watched the hurling All-Ireland than the football. Football does need a bit of surgery. The Football Review Committee have their work cut out for them. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 31/07/2024 12:37:47 2563234 Link 0 |
Will it be difficult to distinguish "over the bar" scores from just inside or outside a 2-pts arc (think Junior C club)? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2810 - 31/07/2024 15:27:38 2563264 Link 0 |
How can they tell if it is a sideline ball or a wide? It shouldn't be that difficult to identify shooting outside an arc.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 31/07/2024 16:16:33 2563269 Link 0 |
White painted markings have pretty much worked for everything else, why wouldn't they work for this? You're talking about the miniscule amount of times someone might kick it from on the 2 point mark line that might have some ambiguity surrounding the decision, and using that to fuel your argument as to why we shouldn't have the rule change. What about fouls that occur on the white line of the penalty box and the referee has to decide was it inside or outside. Or an outside mark that was kicked from on the 45 metre line, and the ref has to decide was the kick inside or outside. Or a ball rolling up the end-line, was it out of play or not? These things all exists, and we manage it fine. I fail to see why we would struggle to officiate whether a kick was from outside or inside the 2 point zone. Not every single decision is correct, but if we get 98% of them right and the game improves as a result, then I am all for it hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 229 - 31/07/2024 16:40:50 2563275 Link 0 |
Agreed. The two pointer and keeping three players forward seem reasonable suggestions to dismantle the blanket setup. Attacking teams passing over and back along their opponents 45m line is a becoming a borefest. Ordinary supporters are getting fed up of it.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 31/07/2024 21:02:16 2563305 Link 0 |