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I watched the Galway 3 in a row in the sixties and ever sense. Looking forward to Castlebar on the 7th. The game keeps evolving and I still am mad for it.
The 70's and 80's were not as good as today. Players are more economical and efficient now and who knows where its all heading to. Its all good. The best team is one that can impose itself and dictate the play. The begrudgers can go to the shopping mall or something or watch monster trucks on the telly.
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Replying To suckvalleypaddy: "I watched the Galway 3 in a row in the sixties and ever sense. Looking forward to Castlebar on the 7th. The game keeps evolving and I still am mad for it.
The 70's and 80's were not as good as today. Players are more economical and efficient now and who knows where its all heading to. Its all good. The best team is one that can impose itself and dictate the play. The begrudgers can go to the shopping mall or something or watch monster trucks on the telly." Such Valley Paddy
Tomsmith here from County Cavan
While I agree with you that somethings have changed I dont agree that the modern Football is better than the old style of football. I have watched that famous game in New York where we beat County Kerry in the only all Ireland played outside Co Dublin and it looks great football. All action packed some great skills, big hits that game had it all. I dont see any great trills in agame now. It s like a computer generated game
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Tomsmith here from County Cavan
While I agree with you that somethings have changed I dont agree that the modern Football is better than the old style of football. I have watched that famous game in New York where we beat County Kerry in the only all Ireland played outside Co Dublin and it looks great football. All action packed some great skills, big hits that game had it all. I dont see any great trills in agame now. It s like a computer generated game" What year was that?
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Replying To PattyONeill: "Marty Morrissey failed in his job last year when commentating the Ulster final. A commentators job is to make a game sound exciting even when it isn't but all Marty could do was complain about how bad the game was for the neutral." I completely agree , Marty should have pretended he seen a fire breathing dragon fly over the stadium and that would have made a very very very exciting ulster final , that's his job to make things more exciting!
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Replying To tomsmith: "Such Valley Paddy
Tomsmith here from County Cavan
While I agree with you that somethings have changed I dont agree that the modern Football is better than the old style of football. I have watched that famous game in New York where we beat County Kerry in the only all Ireland played outside Co Dublin and it looks great football. All action packed some great skills, big hits that game had it all. I dont see any great trills in agame now. It s like a computer generated game" The 1984 all Ireland hurling final was played in thurles.
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I watched the Clare vs Kerry 1992 Munster Final, there recently for the week that was in it and the quality was absolutely awful apart from some excellent high fielding from the likes of Tom Morrissey and Seamus Clancy. It was really a god awful game, was basically like ping pong, just catch and kick and hope for the best. There might be boring games now, but people seem to think that football better in the older days, which is not always necessary the case.
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I take no pleasure in attacking football as it was my first love in sport but cannot be in denial about some of the adverse path it has taken. It now mirrors another sport more than its own uniqueness. The play is going backwards more than forward and as a tactic to hold possession has taken from the excitement. Yes the players are more athletic and fitter than the 60's and 70's but if I wanting to see only that there are a host of other sports. Every thing evolves but not always for the best and certainly needs good decisions with guidance on that path. Is there any thing better than a fast deliver ball and the back winning it and sometimes the forward. Ya I hear all that bull about percentages but the games are for entertainment and if no one watches won't survive. I respect others adverse opinions to mine and not claiming that all is rosy with some of the things seen in hurling now either.
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Replying To Canuck: "I take no pleasure in attacking football as it was my first love in sport but cannot be in denial about some of the adverse path it has taken. It now mirrors another sport more than its own uniqueness. The play is going backwards more than forward and as a tactic to hold possession has taken from the excitement. Yes the players are more athletic and fitter than the 60's and 70's but if I wanting to see only that there are a host of other sports. Every thing evolves but not always for the best and certainly needs good decisions with guidance on that path. Is there any thing better than a fast deliver ball and the back winning it and sometimes the forward. Ya I hear all that bull about percentages but the games are for entertainment and if no one watches won't survive. I respect others adverse opinions to mine and not claiming that all is rosy with some of the things seen in hurling now either." Cusack Waterford
Tomsmith here
As asenior poster like myself ( I always admired your views) you are spot on that the current game of GAA football is not spectator friendly. I say that it will soon be that no netural person will go to a game. If it continues as it is you will have Croke Park half full, sorry haly empty on all Ireland day.
I feell that the two Boyous that ruined the Gaa football game should be taken in and see what views these two have on restoring the game of football to its former glory.. Its ruined by stats men, . I am taul that some Teams have , Stats men, Dietitians , road managers, Ball retrievers, Jersey men, Psychologists, Phyio.s ough where will it end.
I am told when we went to New Yourk and beat Kerry in the 1947 All Ireland that the smell/odous of sea water was very strong that day. Withy the odious heat , and sure fellows may not have washed from the left home the stength was terrible I am taul.
God I hope that out National Game will not develop into that other sport that you refer too, when one score would won a game
But back to the fare on offer now If it continues paying attendances will fall
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Tomsmith here
As asenior poster like myself ( I always admired your views) you are spot on that the current game of GAA football is not spectator friendly. I say that it will soon be that no netural person will go to a game. If it continues as it is you will have Croke Park half full, sorry haly empty on all Ireland day.
I feell that the two Boyous that ruined the Gaa football game should be taken in and see what views these two have on restoring the game of football to its former glory.. Its ruined by stats men, . I am taul that some Teams have , Stats men, Dietitians , road managers, Ball retrievers, Jersey men, Psychologists, Phyio.s ough where will it end.
I am told when we went to New Yourk and beat Kerry in the 1947 All Ireland that the smell/odous of sea water was very strong that day. Withy the odious heat , and sure fellows may not have washed from the left home the stength was terrible I am taul.
God I hope that out National Game will not develop into that other sport that you refer too, when one score would won a game
But back to the fare on offer now If it continues paying attendances will fall" The thing about it is a few things would correct the path that has evolved to take away from the entertainment and sterilizing of competitive attacking play with the goal of getting scores quickly. Then getting ready to add more a.s.a.p.
The ball on kick outs must come out beyond the 40 meter line. Back passes in your own half a free. Yes there will be deflections etc. that will cause the ball to go back but deliberately advancing 30 meter to pass it back 20 meters ? If you receive a hand pass you can not give one. The biggest joke of all frees. Where the players walks 10 meters moving left or right to make an angle and no way close to where the free was. Put the ball back on the ground for frees and lets see that great kicking skill of a dead ball. How has the cards done with improving discipline in our games ? What they have done is put more emphasis on the ref and help to make him look bad and open to more abuse. I know it is for the benefit of the viewer but how many of us are objective about our own players fouls. A player gets yellow for some innocuous foul and then is sent off for a second. I was okay when a player got his name in the book for fouling and if striking got sent off straight.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 02/05/2023 15:36:35
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I have watched many games of football in my life including footage of our great victory in Gaelic Park New York in 1947 , when we beat Kerry in an All Ireland final played in New York. Aye and beat them well. But the the game now has deteriated to the extent that people will soon be looking for money to go to sit and watch a game.
Ough even down in Junior football in some Counties it is all possession sure it is now gone like the beautiful game you could fall asleep and miss nothing.
Them two or three individuals who were responsible for this new possession culture should receive a life time ban from the GAA." Tom, I see you are in good company. According to the headline in the Indo today (cant read it as it's behind a paywall) no less a person than Joe Brolly is of the opinion that just like cricket, you have to be drunk to enjoy watching gaelic football anymore!
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Tom, I see you are in good company. According to the headline in the Indo today (cant read it as it's behind a paywall) no less a person than Joe Brolly is of the opinion that just like cricket, you have to be drunk to enjoy watching gaelic football anymore!" It's not behind a pay wall today for some reason. I was able to read it.. He sums it up well though. Watching the hurling today it's chalk and cheese watching for all and hurling.. Some of those games are the essence of boredom
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Replying To Canuck: "The thing about it is a few things would correct the path that has evolved to take away from the entertainment and sterilizing of competitive attacking play with the goal of getting scores quickly. Then getting ready to add more a.s.a.p.
The ball on kick outs must come out beyond the 40 meter line. Back passes in your own half a free. Yes there will be deflections etc. that will cause the ball to go back but deliberately advancing 30 meter to pass it back 20 meters ? If you receive a hand pass you can not give one. The biggest joke of all frees. Where the players walks 10 meters moving left or right to make an angle and no way close to where the free was. Put the ball back on the ground for frees and lets see that great kicking skill of a dead ball. How has the cards done with improving discipline in our games ? What they have done is put more emphasis on the ref and help to make him look bad and open to more abuse. I know it is for the benefit of the viewer but how many of us are objective about our own players fouls. A player gets yellow for some innocuous foul and then is sent off for a second. I was okay when a player got his name in the book for fouling and if striking got sent off straight." You are completely out of touch with the game if you think any of these ideas would help the game.
Almost all of them ideas help blanket or zonal defensive systems not hurt them. If you can't kick the ball out short every teams going to drop off kickouts preventing any sort of fast transition in the same way Roscommon did against mayo earlier in the year. This slows the game down and promotes defensive football.
If you ban back passes every team will just drop off their opposition into a blanket defense since there opponents have to kick straight too them. At all times there will be 15 players behind the ball and pressing up would be pointless.
You ban more than one hand pass it becomes nearly impossible to break down a blanket defense since it make running at it pretty much impossible since one you go into a tackle you can't get rid of the ball and are going be turnovered. And kicking into a blanket defense just leads to failure.
Kicking off the ground again slows down the game. Stops teams from playing on quickly. Makes any sort of fast transition impossible. Promotes cynical fouling since your going to kill your opponents momentum and stop them going forward quickly. Also helps the blanket defense since it makes it more easy for teams to get set up in that kind of shape.
The ideas your proposing are utterly stupid and would promote boring defensive football.
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Replying To Sssthe: "You are completely out of touch with the game if you think any of these ideas would help the game.
Almost all of them ideas help blanket or zonal defensive systems not hurt them. If you can't kick the ball out short every teams going to drop off kickouts preventing any sort of fast transition in the same way Roscommon did against mayo earlier in the year. This slows the game down and promotes defensive football.
If you ban back passes every team will just drop off their opposition into a blanket defense since there opponents have to kick straight too them. At all times there will be 15 players behind the ball and pressing up would be pointless.
You ban more than one hand pass it becomes nearly impossible to break down a blanket defense since it make running at it pretty much impossible since one you go into a tackle you can't get rid of the ball and are going be turnovered. And kicking into a blanket defense just leads to failure.
Kicking off the ground again slows down the game. Stops teams from playing on quickly. Makes any sort of fast transition impossible. Promotes cynical fouling since your going to kill your opponents momentum and stop them going forward quickly. Also helps the blanket defense since it makes it more easy for teams to get set up in that kind of shape.
The ideas your proposing are utterly stupid and would promote boring defensive football." Just need to kick long range points and force teams to open up. Too many counties just ran straight into a blanket defence and get stuck.
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Replying To Canuck: "The thing about it is a few things would correct the path that has evolved to take away from the entertainment and sterilizing of competitive attacking play with the goal of getting scores quickly. Then getting ready to add more a.s.a.p.
The ball on kick outs must come out beyond the 40 meter line. Back passes in your own half a free. Yes there will be deflections etc. that will cause the ball to go back but deliberately advancing 30 meter to pass it back 20 meters ? If you receive a hand pass you can not give one. The biggest joke of all frees. Where the players walks 10 meters moving left or right to make an angle and no way close to where the free was. Put the ball back on the ground for frees and lets see that great kicking skill of a dead ball. How has the cards done with improving discipline in our games ? What they have done is put more emphasis on the ref and help to make him look bad and open to more abuse. I know it is for the benefit of the viewer but how many of us are objective about our own players fouls. A player gets yellow for some innocuous foul and then is sent off for a second. I was okay when a player got his name in the book for fouling and if striking got sent off straight." Canuck from Waterford
Tomsmith here
Naw naw that proposal that you make about the ball having to cross the 45 or was it the 40 line will not work.
If you were up in Baltinglass and kicking out ito the breeze well you would be lucky to get 30 yards even with a big toe kick.
Or over in Belmullet last stop for the breeze would be North Carolina
In one of Cavans most elevated field Drumalee well you could be lucky to get again 30 yards, but the daddy of them all would be Kilcar away up in Donegal ough what abreeze.. A few bare fields in Connemara also.
So Canuch its a no no
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3855 - 25/05/2023 11:15:38
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Replying To Sssthe: "You are completely out of touch with the game if you think any of these ideas would help the game.
Almost all of them ideas help blanket or zonal defensive systems not hurt them. If you can't kick the ball out short every teams going to drop off kickouts preventing any sort of fast transition in the same way Roscommon did against mayo earlier in the year. This slows the game down and promotes defensive football.
If you ban back passes every team will just drop off their opposition into a blanket defense since there opponents have to kick straight too them. At all times there will be 15 players behind the ball and pressing up would be pointless.
You ban more than one hand pass it becomes nearly impossible to break down a blanket defense since it make running at it pretty much impossible since one you go into a tackle you can't get rid of the ball and are going be turnovered. And kicking into a blanket defense just leads to failure.
Kicking off the ground again slows down the game. Stops teams from playing on quickly. Makes any sort of fast transition impossible. Promotes cynical fouling since your going to kill your opponents momentum and stop them going forward quickly. Also helps the blanket defense since it makes it more easy for teams to get set up in that kind of shape.
The ideas your proposing are utterly stupid and would promote boring defensive football." I think one change that could improve the game is that the restart from a wide or a score is just like hurling, start immediately if you wish from a kickpass inside the square or start with a kickout. This crack of waiting for all players to be outside the 21/circle is a torture. It would speed up the game considerably and I think would get the game moving forward.
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Replying To hashtag2017: "I think one change that could improve the game is that the restart from a wide or a score is just like hurling, start immediately if you wish from a kickpass inside the square or start with a kickout. This crack of waiting for all players to be outside the 21/circle is a torture. It would speed up the game considerably and I think would get the game moving forward." Tomsmith here what you arte proposing is Kick offin the centrre circle.
ough what alovely game
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3855 - 25/05/2023 22:25:16
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ough what alovely game" You should read my post!! I don't think hurling restarts from a wide/score from the centre circle.
hashtag2017 (Galway) - Posts: 173 - 26/05/2023 09:33:45
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Modern football teams all play with a similar defensive system
You have the Galway/Derry/Monaghan/Kerry 22/Roscommon:
1. Play with a Double sweeper.
2. Have 1 dedicated man marker on their best guy
3. Keep 1 target man up front
4. Have 1 playmaker on the 45
5. Have 1 sitting midfielder
6. Everyone else runs up and down the pitch all day
7. While running back foul or play act to slow the opposition down until you own blanket is set up
8. When you turnover the ball, move forward as quick as you can, and rotate the runs forward amongst everyone.
The Mayo/Dublin/Tyrone/ Kerry 23 plan is similar but with a focus on turning the ball over higher up the pitch (between the 45's rather than inside their own 45).
When a defensive system is set within its own 45, you have to move the ball around on the outside and try to work a score. It normally takes either a long range score or a fast moving attacker beating his man (usually a skillful defender beating a half idle forward) with a last minute run at pace and then a score.
Part of the visual problem is when the attacking team passes the ball around, trying to get a high percentage shot or find a mismatch (forward v forward) via screens or just concentration issues of the defending team
To improve the game as a spectacle a few tweaks are needed (all together)
1. Ban the sweeper
Free in if defenders drop into their own 45 without having someone to mark (umpires to call it)
2. Shot clock - 1 min to go from kick out to a shot or lose possession (sideline official to police)
3. 2 points for a long range point from the hand (new 45m arc to be drawn on the pitch which would also be used for sweeper ban
4. Kick out from hand to be permitted as long as it passes the 45m arc
5. Cumulative foul penalty - free shot from 45m arc for every free after 15 team fouls (sideline official to police)
6. Four points for a goal
7. No handpassed points permitted
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Modern football teams all play with a similar defensive system
You have the Galway/Derry/Monaghan/Kerry 22/Roscommon:
1. Play with a Double sweeper.
2. Have 1 dedicated man marker on their best guy
3. Keep 1 target man up front
4. Have 1 playmaker on the 45
5. Have 1 sitting midfielder
6. Everyone else runs up and down the pitch all day
7. While running back foul or play act to slow the opposition down until you own blanket is set up
8. When you turnover the ball, move forward as quick as you can, and rotate the runs forward amongst everyone.
The Mayo/Dublin/Tyrone/ Kerry 23 plan is similar but with a focus on turning the ball over higher up the pitch (between the 45's rather than inside their own 45).
When a defensive system is set within its own 45, you have to move the ball around on the outside and try to work a score. It normally takes either a long range score or a fast moving attacker beating his man (usually a skillful defender beating a half idle forward) with a last minute run at pace and then a score.
Part of the visual problem is when the attacking team passes the ball around, trying to get a high percentage shot or find a mismatch (forward v forward) via screens or just concentration issues of the defending team
To improve the game as a spectacle a few tweaks are needed (all together)
1. Ban the sweeper
Free in if defenders drop into their own 45 without having someone to mark (umpires to call it)
2. Shot clock - 1 min to go from kick out to a shot or lose possession (sideline official to police)
3. 2 points for a long range point from the hand (new 45m arc to be drawn on the pitch which would also be used for sweeper ban
4. Kick out from hand to be permitted as long as it passes the 45m arc
5. Cumulative foul penalty - free shot from 45m arc for every free after 15 team fouls (sideline official to police)
6. Four points for a goal
7. No handpassed points permitted" Tirawley Baron
Tomsmith here
You make a lot of sense in your proposals, but the REferee would need a wee Cuttie with him to keep track of all this stuff.
But it sure makes sense that holding up the Ball in the last five minutes is soul destroying for the spectators.
Ough I still say that those two Boyous that ruined the Gaa football game should be Banned for life
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Tomsmith here
You make a lot of sense in your proposals, but the REferee would need a wee Cuttie with him to keep track of all this stuff.
But it sure makes sense that holding up the Ball in the last five minutes is soul destroying for the spectators.
Ough I still say that those two Boyous that ruined the Gaa football game should be Banned for life" I know at least one of Tom's other 'handles', as he'd say himself. When you see the similarities between the two handles posts, you'll see it too. He has some memory on him, to remember all the logins and passwords. Oddly enough, this one isn't from Monaghan either. I doubt either Donegal or their all Ireland winning coach are bothered by what Monaghan supporters think of them.
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