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Replying To tomsmith: "young_Gael of 1519 posts from County Meath
while I understand you are a junior POster and replying to a senior Poster (like Tomsmith ) can be difficult for you as most seniot posters ( Killing fields being one exception) make very good and valid points , But you credit Tomsmith with raising the issues of the type of game that is now currently played.
If I go to agame in Denn, Ballinagh, Blacklion, Virgina, Kingscourt , or Lavey that type of negative football can be seen to be played either by the some of the home Clubs or the visiting teams during some of the game" Ah stop. You've never been to a club game in Cavan. I've been to club games in Monaghan, when you were also in attendance, though. The football played in your own county isn't any more expensive than that played in Cavan. Sure its kept your own county in Division one for 10 years. A serial poster like yourself is surely able to see that!
Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 03/04/2023 11:12:47
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The best way to watch football now is to record or pause, then go for a stroll, come back and fast-forward during the over-and-back. Only wish I could do the same for club games, where the 15-players-behind-the-ball is even more tedious; we still haven't found a rule to disincentive this tactic.
Would 13-a-side help? Would also be a benefit to smaller counties and clubs.
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Tomsmith here
Well Cavans football was great on Sunday , enjoyable to watch and while I dident get to see Raymie Galligan ( I had to run to the motor Car and check the front window ) lift the cup it was enjoyable.. Great football, great crown of supporters...
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3856 - 05/04/2023 10:22:16
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Well Cavans football was great on Sunday , enjoyable to watch and while I dident get to see Raymie Galligan ( I had to run to the motor Car and check the front window ) lift the cup it was enjoyable.. Great football, great crown of supporters..." Don't engage with his trolling. He's a Monaghan man who likes to throw out the mean Cavan people trope. Stuff like this is destroying conversation on the forum.
Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 05/04/2023 12:12:14
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Replying To Fontofwisdom: "Don't engage with his trolling. He's a Monaghan man who likes to throw out the mean Cavan people trope. Stuff like this is destroying conversation on the forum." Font of wisdom
Tomsmith here .
Please desist from following my posts and making comments ect.
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3856 - 05/04/2023 15:47:17
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I think its more a case of inferior copying. What works well to get the best out of one group of players may not work best to get the best out of another group of players.
When teams hang back they do so in the aim of getting a turnover and then should be looking for a fast counter attack. Some teams are excellent at doing this and excellent to watch. More teams forget about the counter attack part of it and just go for more ball retention. Those teams tend to lose out in the long term.
If you don't have the pace in the middle third to counter attack with ball in hand - you shouldn't be packing the defence to the same extent as you'd be relying on accurate longer passes to move the ball and create opportunities
The issue comes when two teams don't have the speed to move the ball quickly and don't have the skill-set for accurate passing. This leads to a bad watch between two relatively evenly matched teams. They'll both get found out by the faster more skillful team.
Tactical analysis would show that the best thing you can do when faced with a packed defence is point from long range (easier said than done) next is to put the ball wide and pressure the kick-outs; you should always have a man or 2 inside to slow the counter or win back a 50/50 in case it drops short.
brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 279 - 05/04/2023 17:30:57
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Replying To tomsmith: "Font of wisdom
Tomsmith here .
Please desist from following my posts and making comments ect." You're posts are tongue in cheek jibes at Cavan people. If you're going to post stuff like that, then you should expect some comeback. All I'm doing is pointing out to people that you're actually from Monaghan.
Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 06/04/2023 21:16:27
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Tomsmith here
Fermanagh's Sean Quigley celebrates ©INPHO/Cathal Noonan
Fermanagh's Sean Quigley has given an unvarnished view of where he feels intercounty football is at times.
The ace attacker was speaking to The GAA Social on BBC and says the intense systematic approach to football does not maybe suit him.
"I like to play football and do things off the cuff. You make mistakes," said Quigley.
"Games now, boys are nearly afraid of doing something they know has a chance of failing. They won't do it because they know it has a chance of showing up on the screen on Tuesday night at training.
"The players have all the stats now. They might have 50 possessions, 35 hand passes and went nowhere with the ball and didn't really contribute to the outcome of the game.
"County players now, it's about doing a job. The template of a county footballer now is something that I think any average player could get on a county team now if they got themselves into really good shape and did what they were told to do....
Tomsmith here back with you
These are the words of Shaun Quigley who must have read Tomsmiths posts about the current type of football played by even Junior Club .Even clubs away out in the Country from the big Towns are now at it... ie over and back and going nowhere
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3856 - 13/04/2023 21:53:42
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Replying To tomsmith: "Tomsmith here
Fermanagh's Sean Quigley celebrates ©INPHO/Cathal Noonan
Fermanagh's Sean Quigley has given an unvarnished view of where he feels intercounty football is at times.
The ace attacker was speaking to The GAA Social on BBC and says the intense systematic approach to football does not maybe suit him.
"I like to play football and do things off the cuff. You make mistakes," said Quigley.
"Games now, boys are nearly afraid of doing something they know has a chance of failing. They won't do it because they know it has a chance of showing up on the screen on Tuesday night at training.
"The players have all the stats now. They might have 50 possessions, 35 hand passes and went nowhere with the ball and didn't really contribute to the outcome of the game.
"County players now, it's about doing a job. The template of a county footballer now is something that I think any average player could get on a county team now if they got themselves into really good shape and did what they were told to do....
Tomsmith here back with you
These are the words of Shaun Quigley who must have read Tomsmiths posts about the current type of football played by even Junior Club .Even clubs away out in the Country from the big Towns are now at it... ie over and back and going nowhere" Tim, you're basically arguing that lads who make club teams based on grit, fitness, and determination-as opposed to unbelievable ability off both feet- are a blight on the game. That's nonsense. I doubt you complained when Conor Mcmanus provided the spark for your hardworking, but not unbelievably skillful Monaghan team. (I know there were others in that team with good ability too). Hoof and catch disappeared decades ago. Your trolling is making you sound old!
Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 15/04/2023 10:04:24
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Hello Font of no wisdom
Tommsith here
Naw Naw I am not saying that skill has taken over and I disapprove of that, what I am saying is that netural people , Cavan Gaels folk wont go up to the Park when two teams are playing from say away out in the Country .
It will not be attractive for Town people who are used to high levels of skill in everything that Town people do.
So I say that the current type of football is not attractive ( It was introduced by two managers) and now like arecent pandemic it has spread to all Counties and small country ( Culchie ) Clubs are it .
Let get back to basics like what we played in Newyork when we beat hot favourites Kerry in an Ireland in 1947
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3856 - 16/04/2023 10:20:01
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It will be interesting to see the small crown in Newry on Sunday when Donegal take on County Down.
People are sick of this negative sytle of game as played by Donegal and to a lesser extent County Down.
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3856 - 21/04/2023 18:27:02
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Replying To tomsmith: "Hello Font of no wisdom
Tommsith here
Naw Naw I am not saying that skill has taken over and I disapprove of that, what I am saying is that netural people , Cavan Gaels folk wont go up to the Park when two teams are playing from say away out in the Country .
It will not be attractive for Town people who are used to high levels of skill in everything that Town people do.
So I say that the current type of football is not attractive ( It was introduced by two managers) and now like arecent pandemic it has spread to all Counties and small country ( Culchie ) Clubs are it .
Let get back to basics like what we played in Newyork when we beat hot favourites Kerry in an Ireland in 1947" Who are the two managers you're referring to?
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Replying To Galway9801: "Who are the two managers you're referring to?" Tomsmith here
One of them , I see him as apundit on a TV channell that is now showing Gaa games , the other is now managing another County team.
So if you follow football you can now put a name on them
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3856 - 23/04/2023 11:45:01
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Replying To tomsmith: "Hello Font of no wisdom
Tommsith here
Naw Naw I am not saying that skill has taken over and I disapprove of that, what I am saying is that netural people , Cavan Gaels folk wont go up to the Park when two teams are playing from say away out in the Country .
It will not be attractive for Town people who are used to high levels of skill in everything that Town people do.
So I say that the current type of football is not attractive ( It was introduced by two managers) and now like arecent pandemic it has spread to all Counties and small country ( Culchie ) Clubs are it .
Let get back to basics like what we played in Newyork when we beat hot favourites Kerry in an Ireland in 1947" That's all we need, it would be like the modern player playing in wellies, catch and drop kick as far away as possible. Micky Harte and Mc Guinness brought a bit of thinking to Gaelic football, don't forget players have brains.
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Replying To tomsmith: "Tomsmith here
One of them , I see him as apundit on a TV channell that is now showing Gaa games , the other is now managing another County team.
So if you follow football you can now put a name on them" Just name them. You're clearly a man of total integrity and honesty, not to mention intelligence.
I'd say three. Harte and McGuinness, but also arguably Joe kernan of armagh who created a very physical and defensive team in 02, who used a blanket defence to beat a very talented kerry team in the final.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1699 - 23/04/2023 21:23:36
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Replying To Saynothing: "That's all we need, it would be like the modern player playing in wellies, catch and drop kick as far away as possible. Micky Harte and Mc Guinness brought a bit of thinking to Gaelic football, don't forget players have brains." I'm not so sure. Quigley a current County play only last week said how you don't need to be a good footballer to play County but be in good shape and do what you're told. If a player makes a mistake it's on a screen after training on Tuesday night. He's one of the few who will speak his mind and what a brilliant flamboyant footballer he is!!
I'd argue that McGuinness and harte took the thinking out of football.. The individual talents rarely excel.. The ones that will pull the game out of the fire when the "system" has broken down. When the system fails then usually the team does also. I recently watched a club team train. Everything was a set piece.. Where on earth does this fit into a game??? Yawn to the most of what we are seeing.
Inatfullforward (Longford) - Posts: 93 - 24/04/2023 22:02:50
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Replying To Saynothing: "That's all we need, it would be like the modern player playing in wellies, catch and drop kick as far away as possible. Micky Harte and Mc Guinness brought a bit of thinking to Gaelic football, don't forget players have brains." And is there really need to drag this debste to wellies and drop kicks?? That's a drastic perspective and exactly what era did players wear wellies??
Inatfullforward (Longford) - Posts: 93 - 24/04/2023 22:22:07
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Replying To Inatfullforward: "And is there really need to drag this debste to wellies and drop kicks?? That's a drastic perspective and exactly what era did players wear wellies??" Inatfullforward from County LOngford..
Tomsmith here
You hit the nail on the head . I know you are a junior Poster and its daunting to reply to a senior Poster like myself, but shed no worry you are right ( or as Longford people would say you are on the money"") this time .
I say this you are correct in relation to how clubs train , so how could players be any different in a County game.
Agh them two fellows changed the game completly
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3856 - 25/04/2023 18:48:37
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Replying To tomsmith: "Inatfullforward from County LOngford..
Tomsmith here
You hit the nail on the head . I know you are a junior Poster and its daunting to reply to a senior Poster like myself, but shed no worry you are right ( or as Longford people would say you are on the money"") this time .
I say this you are correct in relation to how clubs train , so how could players be any different in a County game.
Agh them two fellows changed the game completly" Tom Smith it's an honour to be even a junior poster to yourself :-)
Inatfullforward (Longford) - Posts: 93 - 27/04/2023 07:16:13
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Replying To Inatfullforward: "Tom Smith it's an honour to be even a junior poster to yourself :-)" Tomsmith here
In at full forward from County Longford
Keep at it and yes I know you come from a County that Borders Cavan who have the record of most Ulster Titles . Indeed I think we have 40 and we always remember that we went to New York and beat red hot favourites Kerry in the 1947 All Ireland .
But back to the over and back game I was in Omagh yesterday to watch County L, Derry and Monaghan and it was odious to see that all of the players yes all every single player was inside the Monaghan 45 line.
It was over and back , and back and over ought it was terrible what I saw in Omagh yesterday.
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3856 - 30/04/2023 11:04:38
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