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Acrually correction the two Fitzgearlds played., Mark is actually Passage. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3026 - 27/10/2022 15:07:35 2445689 Link 0 |
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Did they hurt your feelings?
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12291 - 27/10/2022 15:20:40 2445691 Link 0 |
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Exactly. It is these competitions causing the issue. Moving out National Leagues to April would be a big improvement. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4506 - 27/10/2022 15:30:47 2445696 Link 0 |
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No better place and plenty of craic.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2288 - 27/10/2022 15:50:11 2445698 Link 0 |
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Yeah. The diving, sledging and feigning injury used to do my head in. More horrible to watch than any blanket defence imo. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 27/10/2022 19:17:32 2445722 Link 0 |
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For sure! Wild times there in my early 20s in the early 90s!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15509 - 28/10/2022 08:31:40 2445739 Link 0 |
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It's not just a case of a spur of the moment "oh we are knocked out of the championship so let's start up the club championship the following week". Most counties now plan a calendar from early in the year. If they are counties with aspirations of winning the All Ireland, they will schedule their club championship to begin after the All Ireland final. A planned calendar also enables club players to plan holidays and organise their personal lives as they see fit so starting up the club championship immediately after the county team has been unexpectedly knocked out early is not as straightforward as it might seem at first.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2009 - 28/10/2022 11:21:51 2445764 Link 1 |
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Exactly. I think a lot of people are missing an important point here - that the split season wasn't necessarily designed to allow county finals to be played earlier. It was primarily to give certainty to club players about the club calendar. For example, as far back as February, we in Wexford were able to announce different dates that our club championships would run between, depending on how far our inter-county sides progressed. For example, hurling had different potential start dates between end of June and end of July, and different finish dates between mid and late August. Football would start in late August/early September and be finished on the weekend of October 15/16, to have teams qualified for Leinster competitions the following weekend. It meant that all club players knew they could take holidays during June without missing a championship match. The ones who don't hurl or who don't take it too seriously knew they could also go during July and most of August. Likewise, the ones who concentrate mainly on hurling and who wouldn't mind missing a football match or two knew the hurling would be done by end of August either way, so they could plan a holiday for September. That's the sort of certainty that club players seldom if ever had in the past, and there's no reason that other counties couldn't be as organised if they set their minds to it. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2833 - 28/10/2022 12:44:08 2445777 Link 0 |
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I am well aware of your first point. I'm not suggesting that happen. But why would a county plan around making an All Ireland final, when even the most successful counties won't make it more often than they will. It wastes weeks in the summer when club players could be playing championship. As pikeman said above it's a simple case of planning. - If we are beaten in All Ireland quarter finals or before, the championship will start on X date - If we are beaten in All Ireland semi finals, the championship will start on X date - If we get to the All Ireland final, the championship will start on X date. The vast majority of counties will be finished at quarter finals or before and should (with proper planning) be in a position to start club championships on the first weekend of July. Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 28/10/2022 13:09:58 2445782 Link 1 |
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For sure. Its not rocket science.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15509 - 28/10/2022 14:53:21 2445803 Link 0 |
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Rule could be, as soon as your county is out take a two week break and then championship. Could even suit people who want to watch a match in neighbouring counties if they are played in different weeks. I'd go for an odd midweek match in the league to get it over. It's better than training.
Neartheborder (Derry) - Posts: 59 - 29/10/2022 13:37:48 2445857 Link 0 |
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A rule like that wouldn't actually help as regards giving certainty to the club player as to when the club championships would start, which is what one of the main ideas behind the split season was in the first place. Their county could go out of the championshp sometime in late May, or anytime in June or July. Means their club championship could start anytime from mid-June to early August, and they'd have to wait to see how the county team got on before knowing for sure. Wouldn't be much different from the bad old days for club players. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2833 - 29/10/2022 21:02:56 2445911 Link 0 |
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I think it would be fine to have 2 potential start dates depending on if the county team in either code made the semifinals and also know that they can't begin before August. I think we've overcorrected and there's too much rigidity in the new system. Something like the above would be a happy medium. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4506 - 30/10/2022 11:32:43 2445940 Link 1 |
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Moving the club championships back to Jan/ Feb is not a bad idea. Should they be dropped from the calendar? The leagues start at end of January and conclude in March/April. Under the current championship format the provincial campaigns begin in April, concluding in July. By starting the leagues in April, when would you start the provincial championships?. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 30/10/2022 12:24:10 2445942 Link 0 |
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My ideal calendar would play the league and provincials in parallel. 2nd April NFL1 9th April NFL2 16th April Provincial Preliminary round 23rd April break 30th April NFL3 7th May NFL4 14th May Provincial Quarterfinals 21st May break 28th May NFL5 4th June NFL6 11th June Provincial Semifinals 18th June break 25th June NFL7 2nd July Provincial finals/All Ireland Round 1 9th July break 16th July All Ireland Round 2 23rd July All Ireland Round 3 30th July Break 6th August All Ireland Quarterfinals 13th August All Semifinals 20th August break 27th August All Ireland final All Ireland is 6 rounds: Provincial champions plus 4 best other from league get a bye to round 3 Provincial finalists and 8 other best in league get byes to round 2 Round 1 is between the 16 worst ranked teams not making their provincial final. No tier 2 championship or group stage All Ireland but that is compensated by having a better league program and games being played at a great time of year for them. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4506 - 30/10/2022 13:00:22 2445943 Link 1 |
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So take a month off the available club season and leave 99% of players twiddling their thumbs?
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 30/10/2022 13:25:30 2445946 Link 0 |
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No you are adding time to the available club season because Provincial and All Ireland club are being pushed out. Club leagues without county players are getting played during the April to June period. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4506 - 30/10/2022 14:25:33 2445949 Link 0 |
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In 2022 the quarter finals were on June 26th. Any counties who lost them, or earlier could begin their championship in the first week of July. Under your schedule all Ireland quarters finals are 6 weeks later. Therefore removing 6 weeks in the summer from the club player to play championship. Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 30/10/2022 15:34:16 2445956 Link 0 |
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Ok but counties aren't really beginning their championship in July because it's to be their year end competition. A county championship starting in August can play 12 rounds between 2 codes by the end of October. If we didn't have a split season something along the following lines code work. All Ireland club football final 3rd week of February 5th March NFL1 12th March NFL2 19th March break 26th March NFL3 2nd April NFL4 9th April Provincial preliminaries 16th April Club hurling 23rd April Club football 30th April NFL5 7th May Provincial Quarterfinals 14th May Club hurling 21st May Club football 28th May NFL6 4th June Provincial Semifinals 11th June Club hurling 18th June Club football 25th June NFL7 2nd July Provincial finals/ All Ireland round 1 9th July Break 16th July All Ireland round 2 23rd July All Ireland round 3 30th July break 6th August All Ireland quarterfinals 13th August All Ireland semifinals 20th August break 27th August All Ireland final Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4506 - 30/10/2022 16:42:14 2445968 Link 0 |
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Ahh will you stop. New system voted in by about 90 -10 last February. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2265 - 30/10/2022 16:59:43 2445970 Link 0 |