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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Confirmation bias. I literally mention about TG4 Gold. Of course you can pick out the odd game here or there from the past that was good, but most were bad. Very bad. The fact you have one example proves the point I'm trying to make. The volume of scores, converted chances and so on is far higher now than any time in the past."
Confirmation bias. I literally mention about TG4 Gold. Of course you can pick out the odd game here or there from the past that was good, but most were bad. Very bad. The fact you have one example proves the point I'm trying to make. The volume of scores, converted chances and so on is far higher now than any time in the past.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1521 - 05/05/2022 11:10:08

They were probably more enjoyable to watch back then as we didn't have 90 seconds to 3 minutes phases of teams passing between the two 45's trying to force an opening and getting turned over and then the same up the other end.

I would agree that the standard wasn't great back then though.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 737 - 05/05/2022 12:17:25    2415026

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''took their eye of the ball'', ''wont be caught again'', ''caught on the hop'', ''one eye on Dublin'',
there's a list of these platitudes doing the rounds. my all accounts this is also a revenge mission, i can only assume its to put the little pretenders Cavan back in their box where they belonged and somehow got out of by fluke in November 2020. this victory would be sweeter than 2020.

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 05/05/2022 12:39:26    2415032

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Well wait and see the attendance on Sunday. Be lucky if there 10,000 there. There was only 3000 odd at the Antrim game . Tells it own story.
People don't want to watch laboured across/ backward hand passing. Players afraid to shoot from inside the 45m line for fear of losing possession of the kick doesn't go dead.
It's difficult to watch . Yes there a slight improvement with the Div 1 teams . But the Lower Div teams like us can't perfect that type of game as you will see on Sunday.
Hoping for a Donegal collapse but if they play to their potential or to the level they played against Armagh they will beat us by 7/8points.
Because on current form we are nowhere near their level as you will see on Sunday."
Are you kidding? Gerry Arthur stand is nearly sold out. Going to be a good day. Donegal bring a crowd too. There will be more sold closer to the day too. And I'm not doubting a lot of what you say there, down the Divisions is poor, but overall football at top level is far better, which was my point.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 05/05/2022 12:50:03    2415035

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Replying To theweanling:  "''took their eye of the ball'', ''wont be caught again'', ''caught on the hop'', ''one eye on Dublin'',
there's a list of these platitudes doing the rounds. my all accounts this is also a revenge mission, i can only assume its to put the little pretenders Cavan back in their box where they belonged and somehow got out of by fluke in November 2020. this victory would be sweeter than 2020."
Oh it would be far sweeter alright. All I'm hearing is fluke as well. I would just love it, we have the players and the ability, just need the belief, a little bit of luck, and all the usuals you need for a big win. I'm in hope anyway

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 05/05/2022 12:53:30    2415036

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Replying To RHF:  "Confirmation bias. I literally mention about TG4 Gold. Of course you can pick out the odd game here or there from the past that was good, but most were bad. Very bad. The fact you have one example proves the point I'm trying to make. The volume of scores, converted chances and so on is far higher now than any time in the past.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1521 - 05/05/2022 11:10:08

They were probably more enjoyable to watch back then as we didn't have 90 seconds to 3 minutes phases of teams passing between the two 45's trying to force an opening and getting turned over and then the same up the other end.

I would agree that the standard wasn't great back then though."
Just explain what you mean about the " standard" ?
Skillwise I think forwards were better . Short foot pass is difficult to execute at speed and Wee James was an expert at it. As was Fintan Cahill. He could take a defender on and beat him with sheer pace. Long accurate kicking was another art. And fielding like Tohill Mc Dermott, Walsh, ect ect was a joy to watch.
Where's the skill these days?

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 05/05/2022 13:06:09    2415038

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Oh it would be far sweeter alright. All I'm hearing is fluke as well. I would just love it, we have the players and the ability, just need the belief, a little bit of luck, and all the usuals you need for a big win. I'm in hope anyway"
Should be a decent crowd on Sunday but overall attendance figures are falling at a rapid rate for the last few years… only over 5000 at the Monaghan/Down game all be it a wet evening and Down not going well it's still a pathetic turn out… People in general are not going to pay good money into a turkey shoot…. and another thing the amount of neutrals going to County games is at nearly zero compared to years ago…. In all fairness you would have to have a vested interest in either county to even consider paying in to watch the sort of rubbish that's been served up nowadays….yet there are some here deluded enough to think it's more entertaining now than years ago…. mind boggling

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 05/05/2022 13:16:04    2415044

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Just explain what you mean about the " standard" ?
Skillwise I think forwards were better . Short foot pass is difficult to execute at speed and Wee James was an expert at it. As was Fintan Cahill. He could take a defender on and beat him with sheer pace. Long accurate kicking was another art. And fielding like Tohill Mc Dermott, Walsh, ect ect was a joy to watch.
Where's the skill these days?"
Just explain what you mean about the " standard" ?
Skillwise I think forwards were better . Short foot pass is difficult to execute at speed and Wee James was an expert at it. As was Fintan Cahill. He could take a defender on and beat him with sheer pace. Long accurate kicking was another art. And fielding like Tohill Mc Dermott, Walsh, ect ect was a joy to watch.
Where's the skill these days?
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 118 - 05/05/2022 13:06:09

Watch back a few games the majority are pure muck i'm not saying it's any better now though!

There are lads who can do what you named around these days though David Clifford can beat almost anyone when he runs at them, Fenton last week was back to his best for Dublin in fielding and kicking scores. Shane Walsh from Galway is a joy to watch when he is not injured kicking long range points off both feet.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 737 - 05/05/2022 14:27:34    2415066

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Team & Predictions for the Donegal Game:
Apologies for the delay. Very busy with the farm at the moment.

1. Raymond
2. Jason 3. Faulkner 4. KT Gunner
12. Moynagh
5. Gerry Smith
15. Conor Brady 6. Killian Clarke 7. Luke Fortune

8. Thomas G 10. Gearoid

11. Martin Reilly

15. Ted

14. Paddy Lynch 9. James Smith

This selection is somewhere in between what I think Mickey will do based on what we've seen from him so far this year, and the few tweaks I'd like to see myself.

I have humbly made room for Moynagh for his dirty ball winning skills, but am putting Gerry Smith beside him to take the playmaking off him, and inject more pace after turnovers. He may well score less for us, but it is for the greater good.

I am putting Gearoid in as an orthodox Box to Box midfielder to try and get more out of him in the first half of games as I believe Teams might have now figured out how to stop him scoring in that floating forward role that has worked so well in recent years well in the last few years.

Not fully satisfied with James Smith inside, but will give him another go with Gearoid now at midfield. Because of his size and willingness to throw himself about, he might be a good distraction for Lynch and TED itself and will hopefully be a bit more composed and look for the two lads and Martin Reilly rather than taking on too many out of his comfort zone shots. TED in from nowhere for me again because of his composure and shot conversion rate.

Hopefully if fit, Ciaran Brady will be on earlier in the half backs. Happy enough then to see Conor Madden & Stephen Smith coming on in the forward spots. Perhaps Cian Madden and/or Conroy then in the HF line or one of the HB Sweeper spots if we are trying to hold on to a lead. Again, none of the other subs jumping off the page apart from maybe Niall Murray if he still has a bit of juice in the legs. Haven't seen him play too often recently.

Predictions: Cavan 1-14 Donegal 1-16
A close and honourable loss to show 2020 was not a fluke but Donegal to edge it by being slightly better at scoring points from the 35m-45m mark.
Betting tips
Cavan +5 on the Handicap
Michael Langan RTE & BBC Man of the Match

PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 336 - 05/05/2022 14:36:39    2415071

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Replying To PatTheDandy:  "Team & Predictions for the Donegal Game:
Apologies for the delay. Very busy with the farm at the moment.

1. Raymond
2. Jason 3. Faulkner 4. KT Gunner
12. Moynagh
5. Gerry Smith
15. Conor Brady 6. Killian Clarke 7. Luke Fortune

8. Thomas G 10. Gearoid

11. Martin Reilly

15. Ted

14. Paddy Lynch 9. James Smith

This selection is somewhere in between what I think Mickey will do based on what we've seen from him so far this year, and the few tweaks I'd like to see myself.

I have humbly made room for Moynagh for his dirty ball winning skills, but am putting Gerry Smith beside him to take the playmaking off him, and inject more pace after turnovers. He may well score less for us, but it is for the greater good.

I am putting Gearoid in as an orthodox Box to Box midfielder to try and get more out of him in the first half of games as I believe Teams might have now figured out how to stop him scoring in that floating forward role that has worked so well in recent years well in the last few years.

Not fully satisfied with James Smith inside, but will give him another go with Gearoid now at midfield. Because of his size and willingness to throw himself about, he might be a good distraction for Lynch and TED itself and will hopefully be a bit more composed and look for the two lads and Martin Reilly rather than taking on too many out of his comfort zone shots. TED in from nowhere for me again because of his composure and shot conversion rate.

Hopefully if fit, Ciaran Brady will be on earlier in the half backs. Happy enough then to see Conor Madden & Stephen Smith coming on in the forward spots. Perhaps Cian Madden and/or Conroy then in the HF line or one of the HB Sweeper spots if we are trying to hold on to a lead. Again, none of the other subs jumping off the page apart from maybe Niall Murray if he still has a bit of juice in the legs. Haven't seen him play too often recently.

Predictions: Cavan 1-14 Donegal 1-16
A close and honourable loss to show 2020 was not a fluke but Donegal to edge it by being slightly better at scoring points from the 35m-45m mark.
Betting tips
Cavan +5 on the Handicap
Michael Langan RTE & BBC Man of the Match"
Cormac reilly will be in instead of ted

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 835 - 05/05/2022 15:12:32    2415082

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Replying To RHF:  "Just explain what you mean about the " standard" ?
Skillwise I think forwards were better . Short foot pass is difficult to execute at speed and Wee James was an expert at it. As was Fintan Cahill. He could take a defender on and beat him with sheer pace. Long accurate kicking was another art. And fielding like Tohill Mc Dermott, Walsh, ect ect was a joy to watch.
Where's the skill these days?
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 118 - 05/05/2022 13:06:09

Watch back a few games the majority are pure muck i'm not saying it's any better now though!

There are lads who can do what you named around these days though David Clifford can beat almost anyone when he runs at them, Fenton last week was back to his best for Dublin in fielding and kicking scores. Shane Walsh from Galway is a joy to watch when he is not injured kicking long range points off both feet."
Agree with you 100% on the lads you mentioned. But every county had at least 1/2.. There about 8/10 now in the whole country that you would pay to watch. You can't coach what Clifford has.,10 years time looking back he could be the greatest of them all.
Take Cavan. Martin Reilly in his 30s skilful. Can take a score under pressure. Young Lovett from the U20s if he's looked after reminds me of a young Seanie Johnston.
Most of the rest are just programmed to do what their told. They aren't let express themselves . So the type of coaching is potentially holding them back.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 05/05/2022 15:24:34    2415083

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Replying To PatTheDandy:  "Team & Predictions for the Donegal Game:
Apologies for the delay. Very busy with the farm at the moment.

1. Raymond
2. Jason 3. Faulkner 4. KT Gunner
12. Moynagh
5. Gerry Smith
15. Conor Brady 6. Killian Clarke 7. Luke Fortune

8. Thomas G 10. Gearoid

11. Martin Reilly

15. Ted

14. Paddy Lynch 9. James Smith

This selection is somewhere in between what I think Mickey will do based on what we've seen from him so far this year, and the few tweaks I'd like to see myself.

I have humbly made room for Moynagh for his dirty ball winning skills, but am putting Gerry Smith beside him to take the playmaking off him, and inject more pace after turnovers. He may well score less for us, but it is for the greater good.

I am putting Gearoid in as an orthodox Box to Box midfielder to try and get more out of him in the first half of games as I believe Teams might have now figured out how to stop him scoring in that floating forward role that has worked so well in recent years well in the last few years.

Not fully satisfied with James Smith inside, but will give him another go with Gearoid now at midfield. Because of his size and willingness to throw himself about, he might be a good distraction for Lynch and TED itself and will hopefully be a bit more composed and look for the two lads and Martin Reilly rather than taking on too many out of his comfort zone shots. TED in from nowhere for me again because of his composure and shot conversion rate.

Hopefully if fit, Ciaran Brady will be on earlier in the half backs. Happy enough then to see Conor Madden & Stephen Smith coming on in the forward spots. Perhaps Cian Madden and/or Conroy then in the HF line or one of the HB Sweeper spots if we are trying to hold on to a lead. Again, none of the other subs jumping off the page apart from maybe Niall Murray if he still has a bit of juice in the legs. Haven't seen him play too often recently.

Predictions: Cavan 1-14 Donegal 1-16
A close and honourable loss to show 2020 was not a fluke but Donegal to edge it by being slightly better at scoring points from the 35m-45m mark.
Betting tips
Cavan +5 on the Handicap
Michael Langan RTE & BBC Man of the Match"
I hope your right but I don't think we will score 1-14 against Donegal. 0-12 max I'd say.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 05/05/2022 15:28:21    2415087

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Agree with you 100% on the lads you mentioned. But every county had at least 1/2.. There about 8/10 now in the whole country that you would pay to watch. You can't coach what Clifford has.,10 years time looking back he could be the greatest of them all.
Take Cavan. Martin Reilly in his 30s skilful. Can take a score under pressure. Young Lovett from the U20s if he's looked after reminds me of a young Seanie Johnston.
Most of the rest are just programmed to do what their told. They aren't let express themselves . So the type of coaching is potentially holding them back."
Every county had 2 years ago? Buddy I honestly don't know what you were watching those days, or what you're not watching these days. Honestly, confirmation bias is a thing. You're telling yourself yesteryears were better than they were, and you're ignoring quite a lot of talent we have about now in multiple counties. This is crazy stuff. I bet you'll be around in 20 years saying the exact same about todays teams. You sound like one of the ol boys in the stand who hasn't moved on as he's the head stuck in the past

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 05/05/2022 15:37:23    2415091

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As the game moves closer, it's prediction time.

For me Donegal will win this, there may be a point or two in it around the 60 minute mark but I can see Donegal finishing stronger and winning by 5 or 6.

I think the gap between the two teams is just too big for Cavan to overcome this. Look at the level both teams have been operating at this past few years, and clearly Donegal are just an all-round stronger team.

People talk about 2020 and a fine win it was too. The problem is that in 2019 and 2018 we were hammered in both games and simply didn't compete, which for me, shows the true level of the teams. In other words, if this game were played 4 times, Donegal would win 3.

I hope I am wrong and the lads are revved up for this and shock Donegal again like in 2020.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 05/05/2022 15:49:08    2415092

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Every county had 2 years ago? Buddy I honestly don't know what you were watching those days, or what you're not watching these days. Honestly, confirmation bias is a thing. You're telling yourself yesteryears were better than they were, and you're ignoring quite a lot of talent we have about now in multiple counties. This is crazy stuff. I bet you'll be around in 20 years saying the exact same about todays teams. You sound like one of the ol boys in the stand who hasn't moved on as he's the head stuck in the past"
Read the post you clown. Never mentioned 2 years ago. Get your head out of your ass even to get a bit of air!

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 05/05/2022 16:06:14    2415097

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Every county had 2 years ago? Buddy I honestly don't know what you were watching those days, or what you're not watching these days. Honestly, confirmation bias is a thing. You're telling yourself yesteryears were better than they were, and you're ignoring quite a lot of talent we have about now in multiple counties. This is crazy stuff. I bet you'll be around in 20 years saying the exact same about todays teams. You sound like one of the ol boys in the stand who hasn't moved on as he's the head stuck in the past"
I think the reason Loughduff Lad is infatuated with the current style of play is because it's played like rugby which must be his sport as he seems to know very little about Gaelic football…. I'd say if Ireland were playing in the Aviva on Sunday he wouldn't give the Cavan game a second thought…. a definite rugger head…. Jolly good show chaps would be the cry

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 05/05/2022 16:28:37    2415101

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Read the post you clown. Never mentioned 2 years ago. Get your head out of your ass even to get a bit of air!"
You unable to read your own post and the context on the reply to it? You said "Agree with you 100% on the lads you mentioned. But every county had at least 1/2" That was the context I am replying to. That you said every county had 2 (of those type of players) years ago. Learn to read a sentence properly

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 05/05/2022 17:08:45    2415108

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I think the reason Loughduff Lad is infatuated with the current style of play is because it's played like rugby which must be his sport as he seems to know very little about Gaelic football…. I'd say if Ireland were playing in the Aviva on Sunday he wouldn't give the Cavan game a second thought…. a definite rugger head…. Jolly good show chaps would be the cry"
You're the one who can't understand the way the game is played these days, and wanting to move out best player out of position. I've more than shown here I understand the game and the ways it's played. Sure you won't even watch the games these days, what would you know? You keep talking of a game the way it was played a generation ago. Get with the times old man

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 05/05/2022 17:10:41    2415109

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Look Derry set up a mark for the first time in years to topple Tyrone, yet if we believed the naysayers before hand.....
This Donegal team have choked on a number of occasions when the chips were down. Hopefully they will again on Sunday!
Is it possible for this site to run without vendettas? Why not enjoy the games while we can!! Good luck to Cavan, hope your long hours training and planning are rewarded!

fifty (Mayo) - Posts: 105 - 05/05/2022 17:11:12    2415111

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "You're the one who can't understand the way the game is played these days, and wanting to move out best player out of position. I've more than shown here I understand the game and the ways it's played. Sure you won't even watch the games these days, what would you know? You keep talking of a game the way it was played a generation ago. Get with the times old man"
If you are counting him as our best player then it just confirms that you are clueless ….. and if he is then we are in serious trouble Sunday… I suggested moving him to get more from him and for the betterment of the team…. Remember it's not rag ball rovers we are playing this weekend

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 05/05/2022 17:41:27    2415121

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Replying To blueman1903:  "
Replying To PatTheDandy:  "Team & Predictions for the Donegal Game:
Apologies for the delay. Very busy with the farm at the moment.

1. Raymond
2. Jason 3. Faulkner 4. KT Gunner
12. Moynagh
5. Gerry Smith
15. Conor Brady 6. Killian Clarke 7. Luke Fortune

8. Thomas G 10. Gearoid

11. Martin Reilly

15. Ted

14. Paddy Lynch 9. James Smith

This selection is somewhere in between what I think Mickey will do based on what we've seen from him so far this year, and the few tweaks I'd like to see myself.

I have humbly made room for Moynagh for his dirty ball winning skills, but am putting Gerry Smith beside him to take the playmaking off him, and inject more pace after turnovers. He may well score less for us, but it is for the greater good.

I am putting Gearoid in as an orthodox Box to Box midfielder to try and get more out of him in the first half of games as I believe Teams might have now figured out how to stop him scoring in that floating forward role that has worked so well in recent years well in the last few years.

Not fully satisfied with James Smith inside, but will give him another go with Gearoid now at midfield. Because of his size and willingness to throw himself about, he might be a good distraction for Lynch and TED itself and will hopefully be a bit more composed and look for the two lads and Martin Reilly rather than taking on too many out of his comfort zone shots. TED in from nowhere for me again because of his composure and shot conversion rate.

Hopefully if fit, Ciaran Brady will be on earlier in the half backs. Happy enough then to see Conor Madden & Stephen Smith coming on in the forward spots. Perhaps Cian Madden and/or Conroy then in the HF line or one of the HB Sweeper spots if we are trying to hold on to a lead. Again, none of the other subs jumping off the page apart from maybe Niall Murray if he still has a bit of juice in the legs. Haven't seen him play too often recently.

Predictions: Cavan 1-14 Donegal 1-16
A close and honourable loss to show 2020 was not a fluke but Donegal to edge it by being slightly better at scoring points from the 35m-45m mark.
Betting tips
Cavan +5 on the Handicap
Michael Langan RTE & BBC Man of the Match"
Cormac reilly will be in instead of ted"
Forgot about him in my subs that I would use, but would probably still go with TED.

Would use him off the bench in the half forward spots as well.

PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 336 - 05/05/2022 18:44:21    2415132

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