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Replying To Barrowsider: "There are Probably multiple reasons for this, we don't have the finances to run football and hurling academies to the same level as other counties, but then you see longford who I doubt have much finances either and they always seem to be fairly strong. Maybe one or two clubs dominating underage panels is a bad thing. Or then maybe we don't have enough quality people over our teams. It's concerning in both codes particularly in football as we appear to have enough playing numbers but don't seem to be able to compete at all we are now below waterford at 17s 16s and 15s no disrespect to waterford but that shouldn't be the case. Underage hurling can find a level to compete at even if its lower than before, football has no level its competitive at" Longford are a long way behind ye at hurling.
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Replying To CARPS: "I am going to put my head on the block and tell you honestly why it went so quiet. Huge disappointment after the Wexford game. Carlow hurling people have been asking the 'normal fan' to support the team for years. Finally, the masses came out to get behind them and they collapsed. If they were horses, they'd have been suspended under the non triers rule.
They just seemed to give up after Wexford got that jammy early goal. Didn't put up any sort of a fight at all.
No wonder so many people were cursing them afterwards.
I love the Carlow hurlers, and have supported them for decades. In fact, for about the first 20 years of my support we didn't actually have a senior team. And the standard wasn't great, to put it mildly.
I think 1992 - when we lost to Galway by about 10 points - was our first senior game for about 30 years.
The last eight days have been very depressing. After the high of the Kilkenny draw, we are now relegated. And it's going to be hard to come back up in the short term. Look at Westmeath this year.
We have to be realistic and realise that a) a number of players will lose interest now, b) Tom Mullally will almost certainly leave us and c) we don't have a huge amount of underage talent as you correctly say.
Let's just hope that we can get two or three good hurlers off every minor side, and they stick at it. Something like what a few good clubs manage to regularly do.
Please don't anyone attack me over this post. I am just relaying what people are saying. Might as well be honest about it.
Personally, I am extremely disappointed. I don't want to castigate Chris Nolan - who is a great hurler.
The sending off was ludicrous, but equally Carlow shouldn't gave gotten involved in that argument. They were in the lions den, and they should have known Antrim would get up to these sort of tricks. And once you raise your hand, you give officials an excuse.
The lads should have walked away. And laughed at them.
Once we were down to 14, it was hopeless.
I sincerely hope the panel are so upset by the events of the last eight days that they now turn around and decide they will stick together, and win that Joe McDonagh again next year.
Let's hope we are back here in twelve months time posting in a more positive manner!" There was around 6 to 7, 000 at the Wexford match and the Wexford fans were definitely in the majority.
Carlow fans are very fickle.
They are there, but not ever in their thousands. They want to see success., and the hurlers invariably have been more successful than the footballers and yet the hurlers have rarely had a really big Carlow following for say 2 games in a row.
Our fans come and are like the the snow, only there for a short while and then are gone until they think there might be a chance of success.
Take the Wexford football championship game this year- very few from Carlow there.
In fact very few made the journey to Corrigan Park on Sunday as well.
As for the game- the way Carlow were set up was based on our strengths and Antrim with the extra man were able to use their accuracy of pass to bypass Carlow players and hence scored points at will in the 2nd half plus their 4 goals to our 2 and plus the loss of Chris Nolan - all contributed to the loss. Their speed of attack caught us especially in the first half.
Our players did their level best.
I hope that all the players will sit back and eventually commit to being back next year and that includes some of more senior players, Richie Jack Paul and John Michael and that we have the same management back as well.
That Kilkenny result will live long in the memory !!
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The most ludicrous red card of all time; and they even had all of half time to weigh it up. Not like it was a knee jerk call. That linesman did him I'd say. Atrocious officiating
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Replying To Passer_By: "The most ludicrous red card of all time; and they even had all of half time to weigh it up. Not like it was a knee jerk call. That linesman did him I'd say. Atrocious officiating" The two biggest games were Dublin and Antrim. Officials were harsh on us in both, simple as.. the deciding decisions went against carlow. Kilkenny result was for the players really to catch the attention of the nation and show how talented they are, but otherwise irrelevant in the context of the championship.
Carlowtothecore1 (Carlow) - Posts: 46 - 31/05/2024 03:20:55
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1-9 in 75 minutes of football. Hopefully this is the last time this management team will be in place.
Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 293 - 01/06/2024 17:22:51
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Straight red again. How do we hope to win any game when we can't keep 15 on the field. We were leading with 10 mins to go after playing for almost all the 2nd half with 14 players. Imagine having 15 players for the finish we probably would have won. Hopefully we can get in a decent management team for next year
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Disappointing end the for the footballers. The search now starts for a new manager. To be fair to carew it was a difficult task trying to rebuild a team nearly from scratch. I think only 4 remain from the panel that beat kildare in 2018 that's a huge turnover on 6 years, we probably peaked in last years tailteann cup and its fallen back a bit since so I think it's the right time for a change.
Who next? Joe Murphy would seem to be the obvious choice if we are going for a carlow man he has a proven track record and from talking to players who have played for him he would appear to be the right man for the job.
It's a young panel, probably lacking a bit in size but plenty of pace, the challenge over the coming years will be to integrate the young lads coming through try and fill some of those problematic positions like midfield. Not an easy task but I don't see any reason why with a good set up we can't be playing division 3 football
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1668 - 02/06/2024 08:55:13
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Replying To Barrowsider: "Disappointing end the for the footballers. The search now starts for a new manager. To be fair to carew it was a difficult task trying to rebuild a team nearly from scratch. I think only 4 remain from the panel that beat kildare in 2018 that's a huge turnover on 6 years, we probably peaked in last years tailteann cup and its fallen back a bit since so I think it's the right time for a change.
Who next? Joe Murphy would seem to be the obvious choice if we are going for a carlow man he has a proven track record and from talking to players who have played for him he would appear to be the right man for the job.
It's a young panel, probably lacking a bit in size but plenty of pace, the challenge over the coming years will be to integrate the young lads coming through try and fill some of those problematic positions like midfield. Not an easy task but I don't see any reason why with a good set up we can't be playing division 3 football" Agree its probably time for a change in management. Carew in fairness had to bring in a lot of players. That is not easy to do and to give all players experience is not easy. The players liked Carew and his team and it will be interesting to see who will take on the job.
It will not be attractive.to many but for others it will be seen as a challenge.
Many will look to Joe Murphy but I have my doubts that the board will appoint someone from within.
Most of the panel is young and they have attained a good level of fitness and their strength conditioning seems to be decent also.
So there are positives for a new management team coming in.
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1851 - 02/06/2024 15:34:55
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Replying To Barrowsider: "Disappointing end the for the footballers. The search now starts for a new manager. To be fair to carew it was a difficult task trying to rebuild a team nearly from scratch. I think only 4 remain from the panel that beat kildare in 2018 that's a huge turnover on 6 years, we probably peaked in last years tailteann cup and its fallen back a bit since so I think it's the right time for a change.
Who next? Joe Murphy would seem to be the obvious choice if we are going for a carlow man he has a proven track record and from talking to players who have played for him he would appear to be the right man for the job.
It's a young panel, probably lacking a bit in size but plenty of pace, the challenge over the coming years will be to integrate the young lads coming through try and fill some of those problematic positions like midfield. Not an easy task but I don't see any reason why with a good set up we can't be playing division 3 football" To be fair, Carew would have been very well remunerated over the past five years. Let's call a spade a spade. Wexford Park.
Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 521 - 02/06/2024 20:26:40
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Replying To carlowman: "Agree its probably time for a change in management. Carew in fairness had to bring in a lot of players. That is not easy to do and to give all players experience is not easy. The players liked Carew and his team and it will be interesting to see who will take on the job.
It will not be attractive.to many but for others it will be seen as a challenge.
Many will look to Joe Murphy but I have my doubts that the board will appoint someone from within.
Most of the panel is young and they have attained a good level of fitness and their strength conditioning seems to be decent also.
So there are positives for a new management team coming in." The biggest positive is that they are gone.
Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 293 - 02/06/2024 20:27:48
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Replying To Barrowsider: "Disappointing end the for the footballers. The search now starts for a new manager. To be fair to carew it was a difficult task trying to rebuild a team nearly from scratch. I think only 4 remain from the panel that beat kildare in 2018 that's a huge turnover on 6 years, we probably peaked in last years tailteann cup and its fallen back a bit since so I think it's the right time for a change.
Who next? Joe Murphy would seem to be the obvious choice if we are going for a carlow man he has a proven track record and from talking to players who have played for him he would appear to be the right man for the job.
It's a young panel, probably lacking a bit in size but plenty of pace, the challenge over the coming years will be to integrate the young lads coming through try and fill some of those problematic positions like midfield. Not an easy task but I don't see any reason why with a good set up we can't be playing division 3 football" The poor guy. And he doing it solely for the love of the game and the love of Carlow.
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Has to be Joe Murphy. End of. I'll give up if they don't succeed in appointing him. Proper coach, which is just what this promising young team needs and hasn't had, and he just happens to a Carlow man. Win win. Any small minded bs about him being a YI man needs to be put to bed straight away.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1431 - 02/06/2024 23:09:16
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Replying To Onion Breath: "Has to be Joe Murphy. End of. I'll give up if they don't succeed in appointing him. Proper coach, which is just what this promising young team needs and hasn't had, and he just happens to a Carlow man. Win win. Any small minded bs about him being a YI man needs to be put to bed straight away." The fact Joe Murphy is an Eire Og man isn't the problem. Turlough is Eire Og too. Bobby Millar came from the club to Carlow, and Vinny Harvey was another Eire Og stalwart.
There's no bias against Eire Og. Simon Rea and Sean Gannon have/had prominent roles recently also. Adrian Corcoran another Eire Og figure.
The reason the County Board could very well ignore Murphy is because he isn't a 'yes man.' They don't like mavericks.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 740 - 03/06/2024 09:53:14
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Replying To carlowman: "Agree its probably time for a change in management. Carew in fairness had to bring in a lot of players. That is not easy to do and to give all players experience is not easy. The players liked Carew and his team and it will be interesting to see who will take on the job.
It will not be attractive.to many but for others it will be seen as a challenge.
Many will look to Joe Murphy but I have my doubts that the board will appoint someone from within.
Most of the panel is young and they have attained a good level of fitness and their strength conditioning seems to be decent also.
So there are positives for a new management team coming in." If the players liked the previous manager, why did lads walk off the panel, and others refuse to go in?
I'm sure some liked him. But he wasn't exactly Jurgen Klopp or Sean Boylan.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 740 - 03/06/2024 09:55:25
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Replying To Onion Breath: "Has to be Joe Murphy. End of. I'll give up if they don't succeed in appointing him. Proper coach, which is just what this promising young team needs and hasn't had, and he just happens to a Carlow man. Win win. Any small minded bs about him being a YI man needs to be put to bed straight away." Absolutely 0% chance Joe Murphy takes the carlow job, will be very hard find anyone decent who is willing to take it
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Replying To Collio: "Absolutely 0% chance Joe Murphy takes the carlow job, will be very hard find anyone decent who is willing to take it" Correct, Joe is a non runner he is doing well with Naashe brought them to a leinster final last year and hopes to go beyond that this year.
The county board would want to do a few crash courses on how to appoint team mangers etc because over the past number of years they have been anything but successful.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3082 - 04/06/2024 10:05:30
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Replying To supersub15: "Correct, Joe is a non runner he is doing well with Naashe brought them to a leinster final last year and hopes to go beyond that this year.
The county board would want to do a few crash courses on how to appoint team mangers etc because over the past number of years they have been anything but successful." Perhaps a little unfair in that while the footballers have not won anything, when Carew came into the management he had the Job of building almost a totally new team as so many had retired.
All he could do was work with the players he was given and that chose to be involved
Most of these were and are young.
I think its easy to be dismissive when a manager does not achieve results when the mitigating factors clearly show that getting results would be against the grain.
There has been a narrative.doing the rounds that Niall Carew was not up to it, that he should have resigned years ago. I think that has been out there and many have bought into that narrative and yet never went to a game themselves and looked at all the factors determining progress.
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carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1851 - 04/06/2024 17:24:35
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Replying To carlowman: "Perhaps a little unfair in that while the footballers have not won anything, when Carew came into the management he had the Job of building almost a totally new team as so many had retired.
All he could do was work with the players he was given and that chose to be involved
Most of these were and are young.
I think its easy to be dismissive when a manager does not achieve results when the mitigating factors clearly show that getting results would be against the grain.
There has been a narrative.doing the rounds that Niall Carew was not up to it, that he should have resigned years ago. I think that has been out there and many have bought into that narrative and yet never went to a game themselves and looked at all the factors determining progress.
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Would they have retired if the board had appointed Stephen Poacher?
As the then senior players asked them to do?
I went to plenty of games.
Including the one where Wexford beat us by 23 points.
Which factors did you see there?
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 740 - 04/06/2024 19:35:51
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Daniel St. Ledger and Sean Murphy were the only two players that retired when Carew took charge.
Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 145 - 04/06/2024 20:16:24
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Replying To carlowman: "Perhaps a little unfair in that while the footballers have not won anything, when Carew came into the management he had the Job of building almost a totally new team as so many had retired.
All he could do was work with the players he was given and that chose to be involved
Most of these were and are young.
I think its easy to be dismissive when a manager does not achieve results when the mitigating factors clearly show that getting results would be against the grain.
There has been a narrative.doing the rounds that Niall Carew was not up to it, that he should have resigned years ago. I think that has been out there and many have bought into that narrative and yet never went to a game themselves and looked at all the factors determining progress.
." Agree TOB had a very settled and mature 15 which were of an age that saw them retire when he left. He was also very conservative in terms of team selection, Objectively Carew did have a rebuilding job on his hand and to his credit has most of the best players in the county on the panel. We certainly have weaknesses in terms of some positions but I would feel there is the nucleus of a decent, committed group there. Unfortunately for Carew and panel this season didn't work out after a promising start. Thems the breaks.
To next season, Joe Murphy has been mentioned. I'm unaware of any interest he has ever shown in the county scene - has he ever been a selector at any level ? He has been successful on the club circuit so clearly he should be sounded out., we will see. I do wonder if the 'band' will be reformed TOB and Poacher … maybe where they are in life it might not suit them for such a commitment but it would be a pairing that would get the buzz going. They would not have players of real quality such as Broderick and Brendan Murphy, but there are some exciting players in there all the same.
It will be August/ September before the rubber hits the road in terms of manager replacement, lots of twists and turns yet in what will be a highly sought after position (: !!!
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